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uninc4life2010
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How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio?
#22050663 - 08/05/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand that the yield would be reduced due to less spawn being used, but I've always spawned 1:2 for fast colonization and wondered how yields compare. I would also assume that contamination rates would be slightly higher due to slower colonization. That reminds me, how much longer would a 1:4 monotub take to colonize compared to a 1:2 monotub?
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: uninc4life2010]
#22050692 - 08/05/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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uninc4life2010 said: I understand that the yield would be reduced due to less spawn being used...
1:2 vs 1:4 you won't notice it if you have your tub dialed in right and the spawn is clean. are you working with MS or a clone?
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uninc4life2010 said: That reminds me, how much longer would a 1:4 monotub take to colonize compared to a 1:2 monotub?
You may notice a day or two lag, but it really depends on the culture.
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Edited by SteveRogers (08/05/15 10:36 PM)
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: SteveRogers]
#22050731 - 08/05/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once a jar is fully colonized much of the nutrients in the jar have been consumed by the myc.
So when you spawn to sub at a low spawn/sub ratio your yield could actually increase because you have a higher percentage of nutritious substrate which the myc can utilize to create fruits.
The tradeoff is that it will take longer to create fruits and, because of this, the chances of contams increases.
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: ShroominMe]
#22050760 - 08/05/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ShroominMe said: So when you spawn to sub at a low spawn/sub ratio your yield could actually increase because you have a higher percentage of nutritious substrate which the myc can utilize to create fruits.
source?
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uninc4life2010
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: SteveRogers]
#22050764 - 08/05/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm currently working with ms, but I'd like to clone once I start with agar. I have all of the supplies, I'm just waiting before I move into a new place in a few weeks. I understand to get consistent results, I would need to use a clone or isolate, but ms is going to have to do for the next little while.
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: SteveRogers]
#22050897 - 08/05/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said:
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ShroominMe said: So when you spawn to sub at a low spawn/sub ratio your yield could actually increase because you have a higher percentage of nutritious substrate which the myc can utilize to create fruits.
source?
Its just utter jibber jabber. I do low spawn ratios because divided up into more substrate you get an overall better yield per quart of spawn. Also horse poo is free. But high spawn ratios will give killer af yields.
Edited by Mad Season (08/05/15 11:09 PM)
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: Mad Season]
#22050915 - 08/05/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you are saying you will get more out of a qt spawning it to four qts rather then two you are correct
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: cronicr]
#22050932 - 08/05/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is what I'm saying :P but if you had 2 tubs one with 1:4 and 1 with 1:2, with the same genetics, the 1:2 with more nutrients should pump out more yield.
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: Mad Season]
#22050942 - 08/05/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes but you would get more out of two tubs....ya know
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uninc4life2010
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: Mad Season]
#22050955 - 08/05/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: That is what I'm saying :P but if you had 2 tubs one with 1:4 and 1 with 1:2, with the same genetics, the 1:2 with more nutrients should pump out more yield.
I think what he may have been saying is that you will get more yield per quart added, not necessarily more per tray/tub. For instance, if you added six quarts of spawn to a 12 quart bulk monotub you may get around 6 ounces out of it. But if you added 3 quarts of spawn to two seperate 12 quart bulk tubs, you may only get 4.5 ounces per tub, but the overall yield is higher per quart added. In the first example, the yield to spawn ratio is 1:1, in the second example it is 1.5:1.
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: cronicr]
#22050956 - 08/05/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Yes but you would get more out of two tubs....ya know
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Refer to my last comment. Is that what you meant?
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: uninc4life2010]
#22050975 - 08/05/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: cronicr]
#22050985 - 08/05/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Yep
Cool Does this mirror your experiences? I'd really like to try this experiment on my next grow.
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: cronicr]
#22050995 - 08/05/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's why I tend to do 1:4-1:6 ratios. 
Still though it'd be cool to actually see a comparison between low and high spawn ratios. I'm probably going to do it next transfer now that I have clones to use.
@unic I was saying that lol. I just said both sides of it. If you have unlimited substrate you'll get more by spreading spawn out (lower spawn ratios). However comparing 2 tubs with high and low spawn ratios.. the high spawn ratio would theoretically pump out more yield. Though I'll have to see for myself if that's true
Edited by Mad Season (08/05/15 11:30 PM)
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: Mad Season]
#22051027 - 08/05/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lower spawn will lead to less flushes
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: Mad Season]
#22051044 - 08/05/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I really want to try it next grow, but since I'm using multispore, I'm a little concerned that my results may be terribly inconsistent. Definitely something to do with a cloned strain, IMO.
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: cronicr]
#22051079 - 08/05/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol yeah I've been doing low spawn ratios, and although 2nd and 3rd flush are way smaller than the 1st, they still give me a decent amount. I rarely go past 3 flushes anyways. You just need to have things coming up to take its place. I think I'm just going to stick with low spawn ratios. I get unlimited bulk subs. And even if I didn't, bulk subs are still cheaper than grains.
@unic if you're looking to try it, just do low spawn ratios. I can tell you you might see a day or 2 tops difference in colonization rates, and you'll get more overall per qt of spawn.
Edited by Mad Season (08/05/15 11:43 PM)
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Re: How much of a reduced yield will I see with a 1:4 spawn ratio compared to a 1:2 ratio? [Re: Mad Season]
#22051111 - 08/05/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I definitely will! Gotta conserve that precious spawn. Now I know why I was told that commercial mushroom growers use a 10:1 ratio.
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