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Bill_Oreilly
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Mckennas novelty theory and 2012
#22050485 - 08/05/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So lets talk about this. Does a failed 2012 prediction taint McKenna's legacy to any of you?
What do you think of his novelty theory on how as time goes on, the world gets more and more complex..like a high-pitched tone increasing.
I know it sounds crazy...but I swear that Sundays and even Saturdays have a higher frequency of novelty to them. I can feel it in the air on Saturdays and mostly sundays that more is happening compared to the other days.
When I trip on sundays, its just bananas. I know it seems like its all in my head but I really think theres something here. I truly believe that tripping on a sunday is mpre of an efficient experience than if I were to trip on a Tuesday.
ANYWAY...getting back to McKenna. How do you view this man? A crazy babbling old hippie, a normal man, or a psychedelic prophet?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22050577 - 08/05/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think that he was a refreshing voice in a constipated time, with many interesting and original points of view. He lost me with his whole timewave theory, to be honest. I think he was on to something in the sense of complexity evolving, but couldn't see it on a big enough scale. I respect him and love listening to his talks, but calling him a profit is not something that should be done. Aside from turning a new generation on to the magic of psychedelic compounds, he did nothing to shape history drastically. He did however effect my early adulthood in a positive way, so for that I will be forever grateful.
If you listen to what he is really trying to say, the picture may come into view. He is not trying to tell us what reality is, only what it could be
-------------------- I live in an aura of hope because I live in a twilight world of my own self-generated, cannabinated fantasy, and I forget that not everyone is so fortunate. - Terence McKenna
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: maddad]
#22050638 - 08/05/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I view him and sasha shulgin as prophets.
think about it...sasha created states of consciousness that will be here forever as an old cheerful little dwarf guy and McKenna used his alien-voice to travel the world to share the "good news" and used his mind as a means of learning and experiencing not just so he could expand his understanding...but all of ours as well. Lets not forget his botanical garden he put lots of money into just to save the rare plants.
if there are any prophets this world gave us...those 2 surely qualifies.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22050696 - 08/05/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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McKenna is awesome. If you don't like him take a hit of acid and listen to him on youtube for 12 hours. He is humble as fuck and doesn't take his ideas too seriously. He always said when people would say he has gone to far "Too far from what?" He also said jokingly "I have nothing but scorn for all weird ideas but my own." He comes off to me as a skeptic whose mind was forever changed by mushrooms/dmt. Just there's more to reality than he thought and no one was really talking about the stuff so he decided to spread the word. He was well educated and traveled. I don't agree with all his ideas but most people don't agree with mine. The important thing is we're coming up with new ideas because no one knows what the actual fuck is happening right now. Most people take everything so seriously that they can't even play with ideas without getting offend.
Short clip from the horse's mouth. I could post so many more but don't have time.
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Edited by Eggtimer (08/05/15 10:33 PM)
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natedawgnow
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: Eggtimer]
#22050796 - 08/05/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mckenna wasn't the only one at the time speaking truth about psychedelics and higher states of consciousness.
Aldous huxley, timothy leary, and countless others took that road as well but people rarely talk about them anymore 
I like Mckenna's ideas, because they are good ideas. But they are nothing to base a belief system off of. I do not think that is what he intended.
Ideas are good until they turn into dogma, then they go sour, haha.
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: natedawgnow]
#22050959 - 08/05/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rome falls 9times an hour.
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: natedawgnow]
#22050964 - 08/05/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If Terence was a profit his prediction would have come true. Sasha was no doubt a genius, but profit is not a fitting word...
They were trailblazers and revolutionaries, allowing new ways to see yourself and the world. But everyone's world is different, and everyone is different. A case could be made for every revolutionary or progressive thinker in history, but that doesn't make it so.
-------------------- I live in an aura of hope because I live in a twilight world of my own self-generated, cannabinated fantasy, and I forget that not everyone is so fortunate. - Terence McKenna
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: natedawgnow]
#22050980 - 08/05/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
natedawgnow said: Mckenna wasn't the only one at the time speaking truth about psychedelics and higher states of consciousness.
Aldous huxley, timothy leary, and countless others took that road as well but people rarely talk about them anymore 
I like Mckenna's ideas, because they are good ideas. But they are nothing to base a belief system off of. I do not think that is what he intended.
Ideas are good until they turn into dogma, then they go sour, haha.
A lot of people forget Alan Watts because he didn't talk about his use much but the guy's ideas are mind blowing for his time. I believe he smoked DMT before most people knew what it was I think belief systems should be abandoned in favor of self knowledge with the help of psychedelics. If there were no psychedelics I'm not sure religion would exist. All their texts scream drug trips ancient people were having and writing down. Also imagine being born into a world where "drugs" don't exists so it seems like pure magic. Some of these can be induced by things like mediation/chanting/fasting/flagellation,drowning someone till the're almost dead... and so on but much less reliably.
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"DMT is like loading the universe into a gun and firing it into your brain" Watts
If you don't know him yet. Check him out  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=alan+watts+
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: Eggtimer]
#22051062 - 08/05/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya I know alan watts, but that is exactly what I'm getting at. There were plenty of people involved in the spreading of public awareness regarding psychedelic use.
I definitely think we should abandon all beliefs, I am sort of a nihilist that way. But I also believe in the power of a good idea.
Beliefs control the world; Ideas change the world.
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Re: Mckennas novelty theory and 2012 [Re: Eggtimer]
#22051235 - 08/06/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Love Watts, never knew he did DMT but i feel like I've read that quote somewhere
But ya, Currently reading the Archaic Revival; already read food of the gods Interesting point you bring up OP: I think ,if i remember correctly, he was saying something about the collective conscious or "overmind" will become blind to us, or it will become blind after 2012; Something along those lines haha I love McKenna. I can see why some folks see him as a crazy person, but he did have crazy ideas. Thats why I admire him; those are the people I actually read and listen to
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Bill_Oreilly
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Archaic revival is my favorite Mckenna book
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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