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Got Welding Tips?
#22049854 - 08/05/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
Just started a brand new job todaay, and its pretty frickin cool!
Im doing maintence on rail cars. One part of the job is welding, specifically Stick Welding, and i am terrible at it.
Maybe u guys have some advice to share?
Thanks
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Duh, I thought it said wedding tips.
Fuck this noise.
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If you care about your lungs and overall health id suggest a respirator. Here they have to be provided by your employer but i am in canada.
I dont have much tips because for the most part i suck at welding. I just dont have the patience to put enough practice in. Some people have a nack for it and other people have to put in x amount of hours before they get good enough to pass
Its all about speed, inclination of your rod, and having your machine set properly.
Have you had any formal training at all? Do they not require welding tickets from the i believe asme does it if your stateside. Could be mistaken. Here we have the canadian welding bureau
My brains a little flustered as i just went through a heavy mxe induced psychosis but if you have any more questions dont hesitate to ask me by pm.
Theres different techniques for each weld position. Im excellent at flat welding but cant weld horizontal, vertical, or overhead worth shit.
What positions will you be using? All or just one or two?
Just remember its all about having the correct angle, speed, and technique.
If your doing verticals pm me an i can explain about the stringer or weave technique a little bit. Some welders use both. Others prefer just one.
But if your doing it often for long periods id even consider buying a proper respirator if they wont supply one.
Seriously you dont want health complications down the road. You want to be able to spend the money your earning 
Im sure youll work with lots of older people that never wore a respirator, but theyre really not bad to wear and will block out almost all ( if not all) the bad shit in the smoke
Im only 23 and my lungs are fucked from the disgusting shit ive breathed in (torch fumes, molten steel fumes, ive burnt nickle dust with a torch in a nickle smelter)
I worked with guys who were wreckless and didnt understand how bad it was, and i was a young apprentice who didnt know any better.
Granted, a lot of that shit is horrible, but i assure you stick welding can be just as bad. I just finished my last term of ironworking trade school and there is lot of nasty shit in weld smoke.
But angle, speed, rod size, temperature all play a big role in a proper weld.
Im sure youll get better and better. For me it wasnt a huge deal as there is lots of other non welding components to my job. So i didnt need it, it was just recommended.

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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22049990 - 08/05/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If your working outside and only doing it in intervals during your day and not eight or ten hours straight, you may not need a respirator but its still recommended.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22050016 - 08/05/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Watch YouTube videos
Welding tips and tricks is a great guy to watch.
The best way is practice lots of it. Hopefully you aren't welding critical
Get an auto darken helm and keep your out of the cloud . Grind off paint or rust. What kind of rod are you using?
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: trekie]
#22050024 - 08/05/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Auto darken helm for sure. Cant believe i forgot to mention that.
Should be able to find a decent one for 50-100$$
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22050196 - 08/05/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah and get a cap with. Brim. If you are doing lots of overhead then spend the extra money and get a titanium Miller . Thing is tits and respirator fits underneath .
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Practice man.. Belly up close to an old timer at your shop and pick his brain..
Yeah sure YouTube is good and all but nothing beats an old guy yelling at you and making you feel like shit when you don't listen
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: rackem]
#22050296 - 08/05/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. Appreciate all the help.
I will look into that respirator.
We dont do a lot of welding, just small parts. Like 5% of my day was watching them weld today. I tried and didnt get it.
I guess its just one of those practice things. I will have to learn about all the angles, temps, rods, etc too.
Lots to learn. Im psyched to get hands-on job experience with no schooling before it.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: rackem]
#22050302 - 08/05/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't burn yourself. Wear a wide-brimmed had. Carry a small squirt bottle filled with water.
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If its a critical weld, you may not want to be putting water on it.(if thats what above poster was even talking about oerhaps the water was for another reason) Depends on what kind of weld procedure they call for though
If you are welding overhead or find your getting burned get long sleeve welding leathers to protect your body. Though not always necessary.
If not necessary and you dont find yourself getting burned, a long sleeved shirt is still a good idea. If you are welding enough with exposed skin it can "sun" burn you.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22050441 - 08/05/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Water is to cool down spark-made hotspots and small fires if welding is around weeds, brush or other flammable stuff.
When I sweat pipes, I carry a spray bottle for the same reason. I'd hate to burn down a construction site just because of one accidental hotspot.
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can't you just spit on the hotspot
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Respirator and proper eye protection is important, a steady hand helps. I'm not much of a welder but I've used a cutting torch you years. It's fun cutting steel, except for the occasionally getting burned by sparks thing. Just don't flinch at the sparks and they don't burn you as bad.

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Small circular motions, puddle and push..
someone mentioned auto dimming visor, those are nice. I worked with an old timer that has welded all his life..I remember one morning him saying..everything I work with is cold and heavy. After that i decided it wasnt for me.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22050523 - 08/05/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: . . .
Its all about speed, inclination of your rod, and having your machine set properly.
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Stick welding is a drag motion. How else is the slag gonna protect the weld .
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said: Hey guys,
Just started a brand new job todaay, and its pretty frickin cool!
Im doing maintence on rail cars. One part of the job is welding, specifically Stick Welding, and i am terrible at it.
Maybe u guys have some advice to share?
Thanks 
Get proper training and certification. You avoid silly questions like this, you know what your doing and you'll be able to negotiate a better pay rate.
On a serious note, protect your eyes, ears, lungs and back.
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Get an auto darkening visor.
I know how to weld but it's just easier if I post this.
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/articles/smaw-stick-arc-welding-tips-techniques/
Stick welding sucks.
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Stick has its pros and cons, all welding processes do, however stick cant be beat in simplicity, versatility and penetration. The downside is its loud, messy, spatter and that's not mentioning flipping the selector to AC.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: trekie]
#22052579 - 08/06/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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trekie said: Yeah and get a cap with. Brim. If you are doing lots of overhead then spend the extra money and get a titanium Miller . Thing is tits and respirator fits underneath .
I have a miller and a lincoln, neither compare to me speedglas. #M makes a speedglas with a respirator and filter, it also helps to keep your head cool while you're welding
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I actually start welding school in a month. Im wondering what to expect. its going to cost me around 7k, i know there must be cheaper alternatives but ill be certified up to 6g on all processes and will have a license for my state,blue print reading knowledge etc. around my area there is alot of companies fabricating machinery/pipes&oil and gas equipment/aerospace stuff, local sikorsky got bought out by lockheed martin so i have a feeling there will be alot of neat jobs in welding/machining/engineering. Ive met some people trying to intern in some of these companies from school.
Do you have to be good at drawing to be good at welding? I know practice makes perfect, but im terrible at art, but i enjoy taking apart things and fixing stuff, i guess ill become good if i do it for a living.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: Mi-Go]
#22073470 - 08/10/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is the best money you will ever spend
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: Mi-Go]
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Mi-Go said: Do you have to be good at drawing to be good at welding?
no. it doesnt hurt to take a CAD course so you are ahead of the game
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: Mi-Go]
#22073732 - 08/10/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just did my first weld today!
It was tricky to get that puddle going but finally got it down. It was definitely tricky, cant go too slow or too fast, and you got to be the right distance away from the surface you are welding from.
Lots to learn and practice. Its nice to have a grinder near me to "erase" my mistakes.
Its an art for sure. Skys the limit with what welding can do, it seems.
Mi-Go, you made a smart choice going to school. So many directions u can go with welding skills.
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I just came back from an interview for the classes and even though the pay starting out isnt much (12.50-15hr) i still see it as a useful skill one can grow in and earn more through the years, eventually i wanna tig pipe but that shit is fucking difficult, id have to go back to school for it. Im taking an intensive 24 week, 6 hours a day mon-fri class, it doesnt cover pipe but it does cover all fundamental basics and shit and they give certs and all and its rough.. Any longtime welders here? Ive already seen a couple, would like to hear some thoughts, are you guys happy with your choice in going into welding? I know its hard, hot, and dangerous work, but it pays off in the end.
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One of my friends is a top certified welder with the certificate. He's a General Contractor now but he's still got it. It is an extremely difficult skill but if you can get pipeline certified, or even better underwater certified, you can make serious bank
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Underwater welding?
Whoa, now thats one serious profession.
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It is big bank if you can do it
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one word of caution for potential underwater welders, fat people float
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They make lead weights for that.
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Quote:
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trekie said: Yeah and get a cap with. Brim. If you are doing lots of overhead then spend the extra money and get a titanium Miller . Thing is tits and respirator fits underneath .
I have a miller and a lincoln, neither compare to me speedglas. #M makes a speedglas with a respirator and filter, it also helps to keep your head cool while you're welding
Yeah I know a few people who have those and swear by them. I just got a great deal on the miller . It was open box and used maybe once. 9400i for 250 . Ill take it. It is a bit on the heavier side though.
I have a few crets myself, working on getting lots more over the next 8 months. that and a AS degree in metal fabrication. Ive had enough of masonry for awhile. Working 60 hours and owner gets pissed if I claim over 45. after this season ill be able to just focus on school.
As far as underwater welding . FUCK THAT!
Its not like you spend a day down there no you spend weeks in a small metal tube underwater. Something goes wrong you are fucked. Hell to even come back up you have to spend 2 weeks decompressing. Apparently there is lots of fights in those tubes.
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Have you improved?
I just got into it. Exhaust on the car. Accidently cut a hole in it removing bolts and replacing gaskets and had to weld the hole back up. It's really simple it seems. Think feel better than ever. Maybe I could add a second project sometime soon for kicks! Using a stick welder too
good thing read to wear a respirator so at least started using a light weight one...
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: trekie]
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dang have you made an exhaust? it would seem like you could weld one up like building a computer or something since its all metal...
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myc_check1212 said: The downside is its loud, messy, spatter and that's not mentioning flipping the selector to AC.
Stick welding in AC is garbage. Only hobby machines are AC. Save yourself a lot of trouble and get a DC inverter machine.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: mycosis]
#22435295 - 10/26/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like using Smith welding system. You can use it for a lot of stuff for relatively cheap. Just make sure you know what you are doing.
Gas welding is great for exhaust. It is a lot harder then stick but man it's a great way to learn how to read the puddle.
I've been welding for 3 years ( not hobby with hobby 5 ) . It just takes time. If I was getting a good DC rig I would get one that can also do tig. It's worth the extra money.
Wire feed flux with a shit brand will work but it fucking sucks. And I wouldn't use it on critical parts.
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: trekie]
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if someone were to get a wire feed it would be a good idea to get one that has a gas system or can add a gas bottle too, flux wire welding is shit with little penetration, using gas you have a lot better control
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Oh yeah I forgot to add that. I've been on sites where the boss is to cheap for gas.
So instead spend "too much time" fucking 8 pass weld. .
I don't work with that jackasses any more .
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Re: Got Welding Tips? [Re: trekie]
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I've got a Miller CST 280 hooked up in the garage. It is a little bit more than a hobby machine but it does everything I want it to. If I hadn't gotten a sweetheart deal on my machine the next best stick/Tig combo machine would probably be a Maxstar 150. I've seen those used a lot in food processing/pharmaceutical plants for Tig welding stainless. They seem to work pretty well.
None of the new circuit board inverter/generator type machines will ever beat the old copper wound Lincolns as far as arc control and puddle characteristics. With those old machines you have an almost infinite amount of control and consistency. You can make the puddle do almost anything you want. Fast freeze, wash up.... But I'm never going to do x-ray quality welds in my garage.
I've been working as a CWI for about 3 years and now my go to machine is an iPad, lol.
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foodsgoodtoo said: Have you improved?
I just got into it. Exhaust on the car. Accidently cut a hole in it removing bolts and replacing gaskets and had to weld the hole back up. It's really simple it seems. Think feel better than ever. Maybe I could add a second project sometime soon for kicks! Using a stick welder too
good thing read to wear a respirator so at least started using a light weight one...
Well, sadly that train maintenence repair shop went out of business. I was super bummed. Basically right after i started, there was 2 weeks left and they closed shop.
I did not get a lot of experience, but it sure was nice.
Theres actually a store in my town that you can rent portable welder/generators. Once i get a nice full time stable job, im renting one for sure
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Just buy a used one . CL isn't just for getting herpes anymore .
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