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City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council
#22046488 - 08/05/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Next they will run for president and get voted in by all the feeble minded dems plus the illegals voting 20 times a day since there is no need for voter id. What is this country coming to?
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/08/04/tempers-flare-when-huntington-park-appoints-2-undocumented-immigrants-to-city-commissions/
HUNTINGTON PARK (CBSLA.com) — Huntington Park is making history and not everyone is happy about it. Councilman Jhonny Pineda announced at Monday night’s city council meeting the appointment of two undocumented immigrants as commissioners, CBS2/KCAL9’s Kara Finnstrom reports. “You are out of order!” one woman in the crowd yelled at the councilmembers during the meeting. Some critics say Pineda, who joined the council in March, specifically picked Medina and Zatarain because they worked on his campaign. Others say they don’t believe undocumented immigrants should serve the government this way. “We’re sending the wrong message: you can be illegal and you can come and work for the city,” a woman told Finnstrom.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: Stonehenge]
#22046581 - 08/05/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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From the same article.
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Pineda stresses that the two appointees would not be paid – federal law prohibits that – and that they will have no power to determine city policy.
Frank Medina will join the health and education commission and Julian Zatarain will be working with the parks and recreation commission. Both are young men who Pineda says have a long history of volunteering for the city and the undocumented community.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22046634 - 08/05/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you are cool with them on the council making decisions? I should not be surprised.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#22046732 - 08/05/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who cares they're all Mexicans over there anyway
Edited by geffer (08/05/15 11:16 AM)
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: Stonehenge]
#22046751 - 08/05/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: From the same article.
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Pineda stresses that the two appointees would not be paid – federal law prohibits that – and that they will have no power to determine city policy.
Frank Medina will join the health and education commission and Julian Zatarain will be working with the parks and recreation commission. Both are young men who Pineda says have a long history of volunteering for the city and the undocumented community.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: Stonehenge]
#22046757 - 08/05/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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To reiterate.
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Pineda stresses that the two appointees would not be paid – federal law prohibits that – and that they will have no power to determine city policy.
*edit* Beaten.
Edited by paperbackwriter (08/05/15 11:20 AM)
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22047286 - 08/05/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Disgusting, the government, as a whole, is supposed to represent the CITIZENS of this nation, not law breakers who come here illegally and steal jobs from American citizens. I don't care if your Mexican, I care if your here illegally, not paying taxes and stealing jobs. In the 60's the farms were worked by American citizens whites and Mexicans alike, now no American can find farm work because all illegals undermine the minimum wage system ruining it for everyone else, including the people who legally came to work.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22047334 - 08/05/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DottoreWolfe said: Disgusting, the government, as a whole, is supposed to represent the CITIZENS of this nation, not law breakers who come here illegally and steal jobs from American citizens. I don't care if your Mexican, I care if your here illegally, not paying taxes and stealing jobs. In the 60's the farms were worked by American citizens whites and Mexicans alike, now no American can find farm work because all illegals undermine the minimum wage system ruining it for everyone else, including the people who legally came to work.
This is exactly why Obama no longer refers to us as "citizens" in his speeches, he doesn't represent us, he claims to for votes, but he and the democrat party is more than happy to turn America into a third world country...
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: DottoreWolfe] 2
#22047396 - 08/05/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DottoreWolfe said: Disgusting, the government, as a whole, is supposed to represent the CITIZENS of this nation, not law breakers who come here illegally and steal jobs from American citizens. I don't care if your Mexican, I care if your here illegally, not paying taxes and stealing jobs. In the 60's the farms were worked by American citizens whites and Mexicans alike, now no American can find farm work because all illegals undermine the minimum wage system ruining it for everyone else, including the people who legally came to work.
This is exactly why I read the article and pointed out the rest of it.
Stoney's just feeding you guys his own biased opinion. These two appointed illegals are 'working' for free. They're not stealing anyone's jobs. They're trying to give back to the community. They have no say in policy and are essentially doing community service.
And again I find it really fucking funny how quick people on the shroomery of all fucking places want to throw out the 'it's illegal what they're doing' hypocritical bullshit.
Rather they're legal or not they're better fucking citizens than I am. I've never done community service unless it was court mandated.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22047589 - 08/05/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said:
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DottoreWolfe said: Disgusting, the government, as a whole, is supposed to represent the CITIZENS of this nation, not law breakers who come here illegally and steal jobs from American citizens. I don't care if your Mexican, I care if your here illegally, not paying taxes and stealing jobs. In the 60's the farms were worked by American citizens whites and Mexicans alike, now no American can find farm work because all illegals undermine the minimum wage system ruining it for everyone else, including the people who legally came to work.
This is exactly why I read the article and pointed out the rest of it.
Stoney's just feeding you guys his own biased opinion. These two appointed illegals are 'working' for free. They're not stealing anyone's jobs. They're trying to give back to the community. They have no say in policy and are essentially doing community service.
And again I find it really fucking funny how quick people on the shroomery of all fucking places want to throw out the 'it's illegal what they're doing' hypocritical bullshit.
Rather they're legal or not they're better fucking citizens than I am. I've never done community service unless it was court mandated.
I've been doing community service free and unmandated since 16 and just started new community service here where I live. Also I have an honours GPA, am in school to get a job to help people, am in multiple school clubs (psi chi, psych club, business club, honours society, college republicans etc) It's one thing to do something that dosen't infringe on the rights of others(mushrooms), but these people steal jobs, don't pay taxes and come here illegally (many times with drugs, to pay the cartels for passage). They may be working for free but they are still part of the city council, they may have minimal influence, but they will have some, however minor. These people are blatantly here illegally and we put em into our government as representatives of the people, paid or not it seems like they are valuing these people for their wrongs and saying "it dosen't matter that your here illegally and you don't pay taxes (if a citizen pays no tax it's a long time in jail)". These people should be thrown in a Mexican federal prison not put on our city councils. Makes me sick.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22047639 - 08/05/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>These two appointed illegals are 'working' for free. They're not stealing anyone's jobs. They're trying to give back to the community. They have no say in policy and are essentially doing community service.
Horseshit. Either they have a say or they are doing nothing. Sitting on the city council means they take part in the debate and have a vote. If they don't have that then they are not councilmen. No matter what the feds say its supposed to be, that's what they are doing.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: Stonehenge]
#22047908 - 08/05/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >These two appointed illegals are 'working' for free. They're not stealing anyone's jobs. They're trying to give back to the community. They have no say in policy and are essentially doing community service.
Horseshit. Either they have a say or they are doing nothing. Sitting on the city council means they take part in the debate and have a vote. If they don't have that then they are not councilmen. No matter what the feds say its supposed to be, that's what they are doing.
Why not put two american's to take their spot, two college interns who desperately want the position, or maybe just 2 regular Americans who actually represent the interests of the community and vote accordingly, or maybe one of each. But no matte we can find better government officials than illegal immigrants, I know many law school students and pre law students who would do anything to have that job on their resume paid or not. Plus these people would way better represent American citizens as our constitution intends. Our founding fathers are surely rolling over in their graves watching the push of federal powers, lack of self reliance and total disregard for the liberties of the citizens. Democrat or republican we can all agree that city council should represent citizens (I don't care if the council is Mexican, I'm not a racist, just don't like illegal immigrants of any race, these people should be in prison). Democrats want to promote the amnesty of all illegals and open borders because it furthers their agenda because illegal immigrants and first generation immigrants tend to vote democrat, statistically. Im all for immigration but we don't have an endless supply of jobs here, I do want a legal immigration system, but no criminals please. The Obama administration has let through hundreds of murderers and rapists and has only now realised this. Immigrants from Mexico tend to dislike weapons being legal, they also tend to be poorer so they tend to be in favour of more benefits and higher taxes for anyone who isn't them... It's sad. Our country has a great constitution which has worked for 200 years, why do we need to change it? They say America isn't safe.. America with firearms is indisputably one of the safest countries on the planet, as is Switzerland with their lax gun ownership policy. Strict gun control tends to make countries more dangerous and that is a proven fact, look at Mexico, all of central and South America, look at Africa, look at Eastern Europe and parts of South East Asia all these places ban guns and all of them have rampant gun violence, organised gang activity, etc. whilst the U.S. With responsible gun ownership prevails as one of the safest and is many times regarded as the overall "best and most free" country. Guns made illegal means only criminals and police have guns. Let's not forget guns are meant to protect us from threats foreign and domestic... Domestic threats not only means murderers, but it also means to protect yourself from a government turned bad (fascism/communism). They'll probably start a civil war if guns are made illegal and the country will surely then divide into two halves, of course only if we are stupid enough to vote Hillary in to ban our weapons. I'd prefer Bernie over Hillary and any republican over any democrat with Paul, Cruz and Trump as my top choices.
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Edited by DottoreWolfe (08/05/15 03:07 PM)
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: Stonehenge]
#22047987 - 08/05/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >These two appointed illegals are 'working' for free. They're not stealing anyone's jobs. They're trying to give back to the community. They have no say in policy and are essentially doing community service.
Horseshit. Either they have a say or they are doing nothing. Sitting on the city council means they take part in the debate and have a vote. If they don't have that then they are not councilmen. No matter what the feds say its supposed to be, that's what they are doing.
It's beyond sickening and yet people around here think it's great, this country is doomed.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: qman]
#22048921 - 08/05/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vote republican and we'll deal with this problem granted Paul, trump or Cruz win. Trump wants to build a physical wall than strengthen domestic deportation enforcement, the other two have similar plans, but trump has big plans for immigration reform.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22049021 - 08/05/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or vote third party if the usual hacks steal the nominations.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: Stonehenge]
#22049091 - 08/05/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not voting for bush or puppet Rubio or walker and Christie is a facist
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22049208 - 08/05/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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have similar plans, but trump has big plans for immigration reform.
Is he going to pay for the wall out of his own pocket? I read its estimated to cost between 3.3 hundred million to 1.2 billion per mile . Plus a lifetime of costs to maintain it . Then 11 to 20 grand per person we deport . Fuck that thats the hard way . We could do so much to end on the books illegal alien employment with a nationwide employment verification program . We just have to mandate it , then impose serious fines on employers who don't go along . Homeland security and sss dept already have a program called e verify that works really well , we just need everyone to use it or a better version . Employment is what draws illegals here , could cut our problem in half with a computer program and you guys want to spend a thousand Donald chump fortunes on a wall? What ever happened to the debt I thought that was our biggest problem . I heard Hillary wants to build a wall too, but it's to keep your ass in after she takes your guns away .
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: psilynut]
#22049264 - 08/05/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Employment verification might be good but its more govt checking up on us.
>Is he going to pay for the wall out of his own pocket? I read its estimated to cost between 3.3 hundred million to 1.2 billion per mile
A billion per mile? What do you want to build the wall out of, solid gold? Concrete and steel is much cheaper or just metal.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: psilynut]
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have similar plans, but trump has big plans for immigration reform.
Is he going to pay for the wall out of his own pocket? I read its estimated to cost between 3.3 hundred million to 1.2 billion per mile . Plus a lifetime of costs to maintain it . Then 11 to 20 grand per person we deport . Fuck that thats the hard way . We could do so much to end on the books illegal alien employment with a nationwide employment verification program . We just have to mandate it , then impose serious fines on employers who don't go along . Homeland security and sss dept already have a program called e verify that works really well , we just need everyone to use it or a better version . Employment is what draws illegals here , could cut our problem in half with a computer program and you guys want to spend a thousand Donald chump fortunes on a wall? What ever happened to the debt I thought that was our biggest problem . I heard Hillary wants to build a wall too, but it's to keep your ass in after she takes your guns away .
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19062298-price-tag-for-700-miles-of-border-fencing-high-and-hard-to-pin-down?lite
From the GOA -"with an average (cost) of $3.9 million per mile"
Which is a cheap expense for maintaining US sovereignty.
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Re: City in CA appoints illegal aliens to city council [Re: qman]
#22049986 - 08/05/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said:
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psilynut said:
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have similar plans, but trump has big plans for immigration reform.
Is he going to pay for the wall out of his own pocket? I read its estimated to cost between 3.3 hundred million to 1.2 billion per mile . Plus a lifetime of costs to maintain it . Then 11 to 20 grand per person we deport . Fuck that thats the hard way . We could do so much to end on the books illegal alien employment with a nationwide employment verification program . We just have to mandate it , then impose serious fines on employers who don't go along . Homeland security and sss dept already have a program called e verify that works really well , we just need everyone to use it or a better version . Employment is what draws illegals here , could cut our problem in half with a computer program and you guys want to spend a thousand Donald chump fortunes on a wall? What ever happened to the debt I thought that was our biggest problem . I heard Hillary wants to build a wall too, but it's to keep your ass in after she takes your guns away .
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19062298-price-tag-for-700-miles-of-border-fencing-high-and-hard-to-pin-down?lite
From the GOA -"with an average (cost) of $3.9 million per mile"
Which is a cheap expense for maintaining US sovereignty.
It also costs $30 for a toothbrush and $200 for a Benadryl at a hospital. Government doesn't know what they're doing Trump is a builder, he could build the wall for ridiculously cheap. But I do like the aforementioned employment verification system @psilynut. And I don't think its more government checking up on us, because we already go through employment verification with Social Security numbers.
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Edited by DottoreWolfe (08/05/15 08:38 PM)
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