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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22183525 - 09/03/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In other words, what is the least amount of total colonization out of the 5 jars where I could safely dump them out/crumble them, and do that coir tek without having to worry about contams too much?


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22191596 - 09/05/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

UPDATE: all jars now have signs of myc! Two are at about 60%, one is at about 75%, one just has a small white spot about the size of a quarter, and the other has scattered small spots of colonization around the jar. Part of the issue is that all of the other jars only began colonization from one side, as opposed to having growth from all 4 inoculation spots. I have a brick of coir coming on Wednesday, and I plan on crumbling/grating the jars as spawn in a mini mono soon after. I found a 10 quart tote which I think should work nicely, as not even including the Verm and coir, the substrate and water will be 10 cups minimum. It should fill the tote 1/4-1/3 of the way up. As for monos, I'm new to that. Do I need to put a trash bag on the bottom? I've seen lots of minis without it. And how big should the four poly fil stuffed holes be? And I should still keep a light on a 12/12 timer on top of it and mist everyday right?


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22201297 - 09/07/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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blew42 said:
In other words, what is the least amount of total colonization out of the 5 jars where I could safely dump them out/crumble them, and do that coir tek without having to worry about contams too much?




:hi: blew!

If you're crumbling cakes, you want them 100% colonized, just like if you were going to birth them.  Unlike birthing them for a SGFC fruiting, however, you don't want a consolidation period.  Just the moment it looks like all the BRF is colonized, take 'em out and crumble them.

The reason for this is that high-nutrient, starchy ingredients contaminate easily.  Cooked rice is cooked rice, no matter if you blend it and mix it with vermiculite, so if you can imagine what happens to rice after you leave it out for a couple days, the result with an uncolonized BRF cake is very similar.

The consolidation period is to let the cake get out of its growth phase and enter a fruiting phase.  It lets the cake know there's nowhere else for the mycelium to expand to.  Obviously if you want it to expand, you don't need to spend a week convincing it it can't first.  :grin:

So wait until it's colonized, then crumble and case, and then let it colonize your C/V(/G?) before exposing to fruiting conditions.

Yes, put a liner on the bottom.  You will always have better fruiting conditions along the sides and under the substrate if you don't, and your side- and bottom-pinning will be awful.  Yes, light it the same, but don't mist it unless you need to.  Look at your substrate twice and day and check for visible moisture glistening on the surface--if it isn't there, you need to mist.

As for holes, man, that's a tricky question that really depends on your local climate.  You want as much FAE as possible so long as that doesn't drop your humidity below 100%.  So if it's like 75F outside and raining, lidless in the garage is perfect.  If it's 40F and dry as a bone inside because your heater drops the humidity inside like a bitch, you want smaller holes (or the same size holes but make up for the dry conditions with more misting).  Some people are blessed with a good mushroom growing climate, like cron in the whale fart territory.  For the rest  of us, we need to use our eyes and monitor the substrate and adjust based on what we see, just like with cakes.


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
    #22201509 - 09/07/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ah, thank you so much! That was very helpful!
My only concern is that a few of my cakes are much farther behind than the others, so I'm afraid that by the time they are at 100% the others will be pinning invitro. Is it ok to still crumble them if they're pinning or is there something I should do to address this issue?


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22201802 - 09/07/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's usually okay.  But if they're running MUCH behind a closer examination of the laggards is in order.  They might be slightly bacterial and not really suitable for use as spawn.


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
    #22202040 - 09/07/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't noticed any contams on it, just a small (quarter sized) spot of mycelium. If it's not 100% and there are no contams or bacteria , can I throw it in with the other crumbled cakes?


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22202076 - 09/07/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nope.  Never throw it in unless it's 100%.  Never.


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
    #22202373 - 09/07/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think I'd be ok to use 4 100% jars instead of 5 and stick with my current plan?


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22202474 - 09/07/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yep.


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
    #22202662 - 09/07/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok good! I didn't know if a half pint difference in the amount of spawn that I use would throw off my ratio too much or not


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22212786 - 09/09/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

UPDATE: my brick of coir just came in today, and here are what my jars look like!




(The other side of all of these jars is completely colonized, except for the one in the middle in the first picture; that one is just taking forever)

As soon as I can, I'll take them and grate them out and mix them in and do Damian's 50/50 coir tek reduced to 1/4 of the original measurements. Can't wait!


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22227454 - 09/12/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So this jar is close to being done, but there is one uncolonized spot that seems a by troubling

I know the dark part isn't contam; I've looked closely and it's just brf/Verm. But the yellowish spots around it seem a bit concerning. The rest of the cake is totally healthy, should I worry?


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22230965 - 09/13/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bump


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22231237 - 09/13/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Spawn it and give it a sniff if it starts pinning or after a week consolidation. That looks pretty weird but that's what happens when you use those tall jars.


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22231310 - 09/13/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Spawn it and give it a sniff if it starts pinning or after a week consolidation. That looks pretty weird but that's what happens when you use those tall jars.



Yeah, lesson learned there. I got some Kerr wide mouths for my next one. But I'm not going to be consolidating these jars cause I'm grating them with a cheese grater once at least 4 of them are just at 100%. No weird smells coming from the inoc. holes as of right now Though


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22231510 - 09/13/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'd still dunk it for 24 hours but that's just me, either way works but mushrooms love water :super:


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22231604 - 09/13/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd still dunk it for 24 hours but that's just me, either way works but mushrooms love water :super:



Would dunking be ok even if the cake hasnt had a week for consol.? Cause these jars are not on the same timeline; by the time 4 have reached 100%, two of those might have already been there for a few days


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22231628 - 09/13/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, just wait for them all to get to 100%, a few days won't hurt. The main thing is you don't want your colonization myc switching over to fruit myc. Consolidating for a few days won't make this happen.

Spawning is not sterile so dunking won't hinder colonization, it may actually improve it along with overall yield. We dunk grains for 10-30 minutes to help improve yield and colonization speed. We consolidate to let the myc take over the small bits of highly nutritious BRF that we can't see. This allows mold to have less of a foothold. When spawning with BRF cakes I highly recommend using the small side of the cheese grater for maximum inoculation points and mixing extremely thoroughly.

I'd dunk them all at once when 4 reach 100%. What size tub are you using? I had a Golden Teacher jar pin invitro. I broke it up, dunked it and spawned it like normal and it was just fine. This jar was on my shelf for probably close to a month. I may have lost a tad bit of yield and vigor but it worked just fine. Consolidating for a few days won't hinder, it may even help.

Coir/Verm is also very contam resistant.


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22231716 - 09/13/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm using a 12 qt. tote. Since I'm only using around a quart of spawn I'm reducing Damian's 50/50 coir tek to about 1/4th for my purposes, so I figure that should fit the tote well. I can put up a pic if needed. I'm also throwing in a small amount of Hippie3's super cake formula into the coir and Verm mix just to add some extra nutrients.


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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
    #22234355 - 09/13/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'd probably pass on adding the nutes just because it's your second grow. I'd toy around with that after you get some good mushrooms. Stick to the tek just this one time and then experiment on.

It could be fine but you could also create a foothold for contams. Look for gypsum and add some to add a great nutrient supplement. You may have to adjust your water if you get pellet gypsuum. Gypsum is normally in garden stores and can also be obtained from crushing dry wall.

A pic would be nice :super:


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