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Pins stopped growing, options?
#22045756 - 08/05/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I had about a month to grow the mushies, because I'm leaving the country. Now I have about a week of free time until I leave, but this grow has gotten from promising to depressing in the last few days. Here is a short timeline: July 15 - Inoculated July 22 - Full colonization without issues July 26 - Dunked for about 10 hours July 26 - Rolled and birthed into a SGFC "bucket" July 26 to July 31 - no signs of growth
 August 1 - Knots start to appear on the bottom part of the cakes
 August 1 - I flipped the cakes (now they are the same side up as while colonizing) August 2 - First tiny pins appear (with a brownish head)
 August 5 - The pins grew about 0.05 mm in size...

What I'm doing to show them love: fan and mist about 5 times a day, direct sunlight for about 30 minutes a day (while keeping an eye on surface humidity) ambient temp is about 28 Celsius at day and the humidity is kept as high as possible.
My problem is that I only have about a week of free time and not much longer until I leave the country.. so what should I do with the cakes? at this rate I'll see fruits in the year 2016, so what are my options? Should I bury them in the ground near a river and hope to see some mushies growing there next year? Should I try to make tea out of the 3 cakes I have? Or is there any possibility that these would still fruit if I try to change some variables? Open air fruiting? put them in the back yard? put them in a dark and cooler place? Well any kind of input is highly appreciated.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22045788 - 08/05/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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swatsqad said: So I had about a month to grow the mushies, because I'm leaving the country. Now I have about a week of free time until I leave, but this grow has gotten from promising to depressing in the last few days. Here is a short timeline: July 15 - Inoculated July 22 - Full colonization without issues July 26 - Dunked for about 10 hours July 26 - Rolled and birthed into a SGFC "bucket" July 26 to July 31 - no signs of growth
So you only gave it 4 days to consolidate, and only 10 hours of dunking....
Did you even follow a tek?
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swatsqad said: and the humidity is kept as high as possible.
Don't do this.....you want a fluctuation in humidity, so evaporation can take place.
Evaporation is a main pinning trigger.
It's old, incorrect info that you want a constantly high RH....
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swatsqad said: My problem is that I only have about a week of free time and not much longer until I leave the country.. so what should I do with the cakes? at this rate I'll see fruits in the year 2016, so what are my options? Should I bury them in the ground near a river and hope to see some mushies growing there next year? Should I try to make tea out of the 3 cakes I have?
Give them more time.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: PussyFart] 1
#22045807 - 08/05/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue] 1
#22045820 - 08/05/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said: Yup what he said. Also just to give a little more detailed advice on a couple things: After 100% colonization you really want to wait at least 7 days for best results. I know it in a hurry but by fruiting them early you kind of shot yourself in the foot anyway because your cakes probably where not fully colonized inside so they were just going to sit there anyway until they are fully consolidated.
Fully colonized on the outside means that they are fully colonized on the inside, mycellium grows outward in a 3d spherical pattern.
Consolidation is giving the mycellium time to digest the nutritious substrate is just consumed, in preparation for fruiting.
It has nothing to do with the center of the cake not being colonized.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: PussyFart]
#22045834 - 08/05/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: PussyFart]
#22045837 - 08/05/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said: Yup what he said. Also just to give a little more detailed advice on a couple things: After 100% colonization you really want to wait at least 7 days for best results. I know it in a hurry but by fruiting them early you kind of shot yourself in the foot anyway because your cakes probably where not fully colonized inside so they were just going to sit there anyway until they are fully consolidated.
Fully colonized on the outside means that they are fully colonized on the inside, mycellium grows outward in a 3d spherical pattern.
Consolidation is giving the mycellium time to digest the nutritious substrate is just consumed, in preparation for fruiting.
It has nothing to do with the center of the cake not being colonized.
Well that's some new info for me! Thank you guys for the input, however as I said I don't have a lot of time to give them, so how long do you recon it would take for the fruits to form?
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22045841 - 08/05/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22045848 - 08/05/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said: Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems
Did you ever think about the fact that I was put on a schedule after they were starting to grow? god damn people, stop being so fucking judgemental! All I am asking now is what do I do with the cakes? I HAVE A WEEK LEFT. jeeezus... Everyone is ignoring my questions and just suggesting to wait, what the actual fluck.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22045860 - 08/05/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said: Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems
Did you ever think about the fact that I was put on a schedule after they were starting to grow? god damn people, stop being so fucking judgemental! All I am asking now is what do I do with the cakes? I HAVE A WEEK LEFT. jeeezus... Everyone is ignoring my questions and just suggesting to wait, what the actual fluck.
I'm just saying sometimes it takes time. You can't make them go any faster then they are going to go. Sometimes it's quick sometimes it's slow. The best you can do is put them in ideal conditions and hope for quick results.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22045863 - 08/05/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said: Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway. Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.
Tonight I had a dream that I've woken up to find a massive flush of shrooms that have grown overnight. After reading you'r thoughts, I'll let them sit a few days more just to see what happens.. God damn am I frustrated, so much care and love was given to them, and they don't seem to love me back at this time :| I can't solely fault the fact that they were a couple of days short from full consolidation.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22045866 - 08/05/15 06:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said: Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway. Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.
Typically my flushes go from pins to fruits ready to harvest in 3-5 days. I've yet to have any pins take longer then that.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22045878 - 08/05/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said:
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RenegadeBlue said: Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway. Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.
Typically my flushes go from pins to fruits ready to harvest in 3-5 days. I've yet to have any pins take longer then that.
Well my pin (or what even is this? primordia?) has only grown about 1mm in height over 3 days
 whats wrong with it? is that an abort?
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22045882 - 08/05/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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swatsqad said:
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Dr.Satan said:
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RenegadeBlue said: Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway. Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.
Typically my flushes go from pins to fruits ready to harvest in 3-5 days. I've yet to have any pins take longer then that.
Well my pin (or what even is this? primordia?) has only grown about 1mm in height over 3 days
 whats wrong with it? is that an abort?
I honestly don't know what that is. I've never seen any pins look like that, what strain are you growing? It could be knots forming which would eventually become pins, but I really can't tell 
That is a damn good quality picture though
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22045950 - 08/05/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That thing is becoming bigger every day, by a tiny bit, and the cap now looks more of a brown color. Its cubensis b+ I would post a picture of how it looks now, but the pictures aren't working again. And actually it looks like more pins are starting to form that way, I see more of those "things" with a white half grain of rice sized unibody with a brown cap. am I growing an alien?
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad] 1
#22049622 - 08/05/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said: Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems
Did you ever think about the fact that I was put on a schedule after they were starting to grow? god damn people, stop being so fucking judgemental! All I am asking now is what do I do with the cakes? I HAVE A WEEK LEFT. jeeezus... Everyone is ignoring my questions and just suggesting to wait, what the actual fluck.
Well, you might as well wait for, say, five days and see what gives. If at the end of that time you have no decent growth, then you can make cake tea. Your mycelium is sufficiently aged so that it has plenty of psilocybin in it. I have made cake tea. It is better than its reputation and a lot better than nothing. Don't underestimate it.
Also, what kind of camera are you using to take those pics. What is the pixel rating? I wish I could get pics that good, with that kind of zoom capacity.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: champinhom]
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22050739 - 08/05/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll have to research about the cale tea in a few days then  About the camera, the images aren't zoomed in its just a ~20% crop of the full pic. aaand the camera I'm using is an old iPhone 5s. mostly with using the app hydra to take higher res multi exposure frames, just like supersampling :p
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22050856 - 08/05/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm honestly shocked no one asked for pics or details of a fruiting chamber. It's the first thing I'd have asked lol. I'm still a bit fuzzy on what chamber you actually use. If I recall you have a different thread I actually told you the same things PF has said. Especially about the humidity thing.
All I can say for sure is that a proper shotgun fruiting chamber has produced killer shit and I've never seen pics of pins like that in a shotgun fc.
Also as stated have lots and lots patience. But in all reality what is your fruiting chamber? Pics of the setup would be dandy.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mad Season]
#22052046 - 08/06/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry I can't post pictures anymore, because that feature is broken on shroomery.
Anyway here are some more pictures that I took with my phone, cropped about 30/40% of every picture to cut out unimportant stuff. Uploaded to imgur as an alternative, and that also lets me upload full res pics.
Here is my chamber, I made plenty of holes on the bottom and top. http://imgur.com/yMVLb0o
Here are the cakes. the weird alien looking pins are starting to multiply and I could probably count close to 50 of these on all 3 half pint cakes. They started to rapidly spread (though still grow very slowly) after I left the house for 24 hours and left the ultrasonic humidifier blowing cold vapor and air into the chamber for 30 minutes every 3 hour interval. http://imgur.com/ue0zGlG http://imgur.com/mHE1Msu http://imgur.com/PcQzFfB Feel free to zoom in and inspect up close
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22053000 - 08/06/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd really love some input on those primordia
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22053693 - 08/06/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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looks like you've some shrooms popping up!
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: derricklimes]
#22053810 - 08/06/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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what did you inoculate with? on your timeline you have it as being fully colonized in 7 days. that would be impossibly fast for a spore syringe
and from zooming in on those pics the pins look good to me but the cakes seem very wet. i would stop misting for a while and let them dry out a bit. maybe you took the pic right after misting but from what you said earlier i imagine they are a little over wet. you dont really have to mist on a set timeline or anything just as needed. you want the verm and all to be dry before you mist again
i just checked out the FC pic, you probably aren't getting enough fresh air in there
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mdahmer]
#22053973 - 08/06/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: what did you inoculate with? on your timeline you have it as being fully colonized in 7 days. that would be impossibly fast for a spore syringe
and from zooming in on those pics the pins look good to me but the cakes seem very wet. i would stop misting for a while and let them dry out a bit. maybe you took the pic right after misting but from what you said earlier i imagine they are a little over wet. you dont really have to mist on a set timeline or anything just as needed. you want the verm and all to be dry before you mist again
i just checked out the FC pic, you probably aren't getting enough fresh air in there
I'm misting about 5/6 times a day and fanning at least twice as much. I sometimes leave the lid completely off. It's 35 degrees outside and about 60% humidity. I'm a bit worried about the tiny cap's . they seem mutated/cracked/split : p I'll post pics similar to those, 24 hours after they were taken.
EDIT: where they sit, under the table above a open window, its about 80-85 Fahrenheit, so they still dry out quite quickly (that's probably why using a humidifier for 12 hours really kicked the growth rate up).
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
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that really seems excessive on the misting but you are there with them not me so maybe. as far as fresh air you need it to be an all day thing the fanning is not sufficient and i just figure your not getting enough cause of all the condensation in that FC. when you see a regular sgfc the walls should be dry because it gets so much constant fresh air that the temp is the same inside and out
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mdahmer]
#22054092 - 08/06/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: that really seems excessive on the misting but you are there with them not me so maybe. as far as fresh air you need it to be an all day thing the fanning is not sufficient and i just figure your not getting enough cause of all the condensation in that FC. when you see a regular sgfc the walls should be dry because it gets so much constant fresh air that the temp is the same inside and out
I think the walls are wet in my pic is because I've just misted it. Let me go take a look at the walls now.
2 minutes laiteur.
Yeah i might be overmisting it. I'll cut my misting in half I guess, the walls are still wet after 2 hours, so are the cakes. Probably because of very high auxiliary humidity.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22056495 - 08/07/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shit I think I may have a problem, is this areal fuzzy mycelium or is this a contam? Should I quarantine the cake?

Also here's the pic taken 24hours after the previous images.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
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swatsqad said: Shit I think I may have a problem, is this areal fuzzy mycelium or is this a contam? Should I quarantine the cake?

Also here's the pic taken 24hours after the previous images.

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Munchauzen]
#22056742 - 08/07/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well even if it's fine, there's no way these will fruit in 5 days at this rate
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22056917 - 08/07/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Were they dunked before being put into fc
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: inked4life]
#22057284 - 08/07/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes. though not for 24 hours
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22058341 - 08/07/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you never know man they can grow very fast once they get going. it seems they are having some kind of issue though if they have been at the 'pin' size for that long. they may just be hanging out waiting for something to happen. the first pic kinda looks like the myc may be growing back over the pins.
its only been 6 days though since they first appeared which isnt too crazy honestly they may spring up soon. i will broken record it here and say to give them more fresh air lol. maybe take the lid off for a few hours. i know when i did outdoor grows they would fucking explode from pin to full size almost in front of your eyes and i think it was because of all the fresh air. and that was in MD with like 60-70% humidity so i'd say fresh air is key.
and what did you inoc. with?
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mdahmer]
#22058597 - 08/07/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inoculated with a MS B+ syringe, the colonization went amazingly fast and without any problems. About taking the lid off for more FAE... I actually think that I should scrap the fruiting chamber, and just fruit them in open air, where the CO2 will be able to escape instantly. the temps are about 25 degrees C constantly and the humidity is quite high. What do you think? should I at this point fruit them in open air? Should I create a separate thread with the idea?
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22058650 - 08/07/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I chose to put only 1 cake in open air, and when I picked it up, I've noticed that it had pins growing on the botton, near the foil where water tends to pool up a bit. What could this mean? I put it on its side, because those pins would probably abort, right?
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22058660 - 08/07/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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so your timeline was correct then it colonized in 7 days with a spore syringe? that seems impossible which is why i was asking before thinking maybe something else colonized your cakes that fast but once i could expand the pics they look normal.
i dont know about doing cakes in open air. due to their small size im sure they would just dry right out. a big tub or something or an outdoor bed survives because of its size and ability to hold a lot of water. you would need to be home all the time to really babysit the cakes with a mister.
i know you just want to get these things to grow and it's frustrating but i really dont know what to tell you lol.
pins will grow where ever they can. sometimes they like the closeness i think underneath the cake. they will continue to grow even underneath ive had mushrooms fully mature on the bottom of tubs when i didnt use a liner and that was with many pounds of weight on top of them
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mdahmer]
#22058669 - 08/07/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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if they are still producing pins and all that i wouldnt worry man just make sure they get fresh air and some humidity and leave them be. they dont like too much attention
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mdahmer]
#22058672 - 08/07/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shit im just lost, I'll try only one cake in open air, will post pics of how it works out through the night. not too sure about my decision to put it on its side, but that just makes sense, I chose a side without knots to lay it on. idk. I'm also thinking that they just need more water, and a bit lower temps.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mdahmer]
#22058677 - 08/07/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They pinned there because of the better microclimate. They need a really high surface humidity. They're not happy with the fruiting chamber. Really should just make a proper sgfc.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mad Season]
#22058696 - 08/07/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: They pinned there because of the better microclimate. They need a really high surface humidity. They're not happy with the fruiting chamber. Really should just make a proper sgfc.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962
You seem to have tried everything but the right thing 
Literally I'm fucked. I'll make a proper one in my next grow, I promise to take care of the next ones. Although I don't have time to rebuild and waste resources on a new chamber at this point, so any advice on what should I try? The open air cake is now sitting just on top of a big plate without any perlite, I'm trying to keep it constantly hydrated. I mean really its 77 degrees and 92% humidity in the room its sitting.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22065791 - 08/09/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well the cake that I put on its side developed a small mushie, and has mad pins on both sides.
  
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I have a question, why do my pins all have that white matter on the heads?
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22065978 - 08/09/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had that on most of my mushrooms. From what I've read is basically leftover material from the early stages of the pin. As your mushrooms mature you'll see that go away usually, nothing to worry about. Last set of pics is looking good
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: psilobob]
#22066223 - 08/09/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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psilobob said: I've had that on most of my mushrooms. From what I've read is basically leftover material from the early stages of the pin. the universal veil. As your mushrooms mature you'll sometimes see that go away usually, nothing to worry about. Last set of pics is looking good 
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Mad Season]
#22066352 - 08/09/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like I just learned a new term today, thanks Mad Season  Here's a wikipedia article if anyone else wants to read up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_veil
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: psilobob]
#22066892 - 08/09/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The more you know  anyway the grow is somewhat progressing, even though only 1 pin looks actually healthy, I guess out of the 100+ pins on the three cakes at least some of them would become successful in the next 3 days.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22070341 - 08/10/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like only 1 pin is growing, the other ones, while did grow in size a few days ago, have stayed like this till now :/
I'm planning to trip on the 13th or 14th with a friend, how do I go about dosing these small pins if they stopped growing? Are they really that much more potent? I also would like to give a few microsdoses to my parents, but the cakes probably didn't produce enough fruits to expand the share. But if I come around it, would the pins create a nice body high?
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swatsqad said: Literally I'm fucked.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22070582 - 08/10/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said: So dosing especially for first time is subjective. But personally to get some light visuals and stuff to actually experience what mushrooms are about I wouldn't recommend that u and your buddy do less than 2.5 dry grams each. You could go as low as 2g each but I'm not sure I'd go any lower. I did 3 dried grams my first time and thought it was perfect, but like I said that's just my subjective opinion. I believe the threshold dose (dose to feel anything at all) is somewhere around 1 dried gram. You can find the actual number by searching the forums. So the point is you want to be somewhere well above this to get some decent and noticeable effects.
Aborts are supposed to be more potent by weight than full grown shrooms. Not sure if there's any evidence to support this. However eating like 10 aborts ur not gonna feel anything because more than likely u won't hit the threshold dose. What u really need to do is use like a food scale that measures in grams to figure out what kind of doses u have available to you.
I won't be drying them, so by that formula we'd have to both eat about 25 grams wet, although that is not happening any time soon :/ I'll post a few pics later today of how it looks. I guess I'll have to eat everything and trip alone. This would be my 4th trip, first time I took 10g of psilocybe galindoli truffles from amsterdam, that was the best day of my life, extremely life changing. second time was 10g's of mexicana, that was a mild trip with an euphoric body high, underwhelming (probably not the best setting) third time I took 2 drops of acid, was fucked up for 12 hours, couldn't contain myself, walked around town at night alone just admiring the beauty of a sleeping city. All in all, shroomies are better for me, they feel more natural, and I get the colorful patterns and entities I just love. Except for the fucking retarded fact that when I always see the awesome smiley when tripping even lightly. But hey, it never lets me go to a bad trip even if i try
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22071036 - 08/10/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well here is a update somewhat, one pin is growing, I even made a 1 hour time lapse and it was apparent it was growing (awesome footage). Although there is a shitload of pins, most of them are still small and look like aborts, with brownish meat and a darker cap (first image bottom cake).

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22071048 - 08/10/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see no aborts. Just a bunch of stragglers
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22071049 - 08/10/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22071071 - 08/10/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Come on mushies :| 3 more days until I have to harvest >.<
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
#22072624 - 08/10/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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swatsqad said: Come on mushies :| 3 more days until I have to harvest >.< 
3 days is plenty of time. Besides I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that mushrooms grow most during the dark hours. I've always thought that my results seemed to coincide with this. But could be wrong. I think you might be pleasantly surprised when you wake up tomorrow morning.
And yea if u are going to have only like 25g wet total Id advise you to to tell ur buddy ur sorry and u'll get him next time and just do them urself. Cause 25g wet between two people would b pretty disappointing I bet.
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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22074720 - 08/11/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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swatsqad said: Come on mushies :| 3 more days until I have to harvest >.< 
3 days is plenty of time. Besides I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that mushrooms grow most during the dark hours. I've always thought that my results seemed to coincide with this. But could be wrong. I think you might be pleasantly surprised when you wake up tomorrow morning.
And yea if u are going to have only like 25g wet total Id advise you to to tell ur buddy ur sorry and u'll get him next time and just do them urself. Cause 25g wet between two people would b pretty disappointing I bet.
Well talking about disappointing... what the actual FUCK do I do now?
 Well I'll have to create yet another thread because this is quite an time sensitive issue
Edited by swatsqad (08/11/15 04:07 AM)
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