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Pins stopped growing, options?
    #22045756 - 08/05/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So I had about a month to grow the mushies, because I'm leaving the country. Now I have about a week of free time until I leave, but this grow has gotten from promising to depressing in the last few days.
Here is a short timeline:
July 15 - Inoculated
July 22 - Full colonization without issues
July 26 - Dunked for about 10 hours
July 26 - Rolled and birthed into a SGFC "bucket"
July 26 to July 31 - no signs of growth

August 1 - Knots start to appear on the bottom part of the cakes

August 1 - I flipped the cakes (now they are the same side up as while colonizing)
August 2 - First tiny pins appear (with a brownish head)

August 5 - The pins grew about 0.05 mm in size...


What I'm doing to show them love:
fan and mist about 5 times a day, direct sunlight for about 30 minutes a day (while keeping an eye on surface humidity) ambient temp is about 28 Celsius at day and the humidity is kept as high as possible.

My problem is that I only have about a week of free time and not much longer until I leave the country..
so what should I do with the cakes? at this rate I'll see fruits in the year 2016, so what are my options? Should I bury them in the ground near a river and hope to see some mushies growing there next year? Should I try to make tea out of the 3 cakes I have?
Or is there any possibility that these would still fruit if I try to change some variables? Open air fruiting? put them in the back yard? put them in a dark and cooler place?
Well any kind of input is highly appreciated.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22045788 - 08/05/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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swatsqad said:
So I had about a month to grow the mushies, because I'm leaving the country. Now I have about a week of free time until I leave, but this grow has gotten from promising to depressing in the last few days.
Here is a short timeline:
July 15 - Inoculated
July 22 - Full colonization without issues
July 26 - Dunked for about 10 hours
July 26 - Rolled and birthed into a SGFC "bucket"
July 26 to July 31 - no signs of growth



So you only gave it 4 days to consolidate, and only 10 hours of dunking....

Did you even follow a tek?



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swatsqad said:
and the humidity is kept as high as possible.



Don't do this.....you want a fluctuation in humidity, so evaporation can take place.

Evaporation is a main pinning trigger.

It's old, incorrect info that you want a constantly high RH....

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swatsqad said:
My problem is that I only have about a week of free time and not much longer until I leave the country..
so what should I do with the cakes? at this rate I'll see fruits in the year 2016, so what are my options? Should I bury them in the ground near a river and hope to see some mushies growing there next year? Should I try to make tea out of the 3 cakes I have?



Give them more time.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: PussyFart] * 1
    #22045807 - 08/05/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue] * 1
    #22045820 - 08/05/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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RenegadeBlue said:
Yup what he said. Also just to give a little more detailed advice on a couple things:
After 100% colonization you really want to wait at least 7 days for best results. I know it in a hurry but by fruiting them early you kind of shot yourself in the foot anyway because your cakes probably where not fully colonized inside so they were just going to sit there anyway until they are fully consolidated.



Fully colonized on the outside means that they are fully colonized on the inside, mycellium grows outward in a 3d spherical pattern.

Consolidation is giving the mycellium time to digest the nutritious substrate is just consumed, in preparation for fruiting.

It has nothing to do with the center of the cake not being colonized.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22045834 - 08/05/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22045837 - 08/05/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
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RenegadeBlue said:
Yup what he said. Also just to give a little more detailed advice on a couple things:
After 100% colonization you really want to wait at least 7 days for best results. I know it in a hurry but by fruiting them early you kind of shot yourself in the foot anyway because your cakes probably where not fully colonized inside so they were just going to sit there anyway until they are fully consolidated.



Fully colonized on the outside means that they are fully colonized on the inside, mycellium grows outward in a 3d spherical pattern.

Consolidation is giving the mycellium time to digest the nutritious substrate is just consumed, in preparation for fruiting.

It has nothing to do with the center of the cake not being colonized.




Well that's some new info for me!
Thank you guys for the input, however as I said I don't have a lot of time to give them, so how long do you recon it would take for the fruits to form?


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22045841 - 08/05/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule  because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22045848 - 08/05/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr.Satan said:
Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule  because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems




Did you ever think about the fact that I was put on a schedule after they were starting to grow? god damn people, stop being so fucking judgemental!
All I am asking now is what do I do with the cakes? I HAVE A WEEK LEFT. jeeezus... Everyone is ignoring my questions and just suggesting to wait, what the actual fluck.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22045852 - 08/05/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22045860 - 08/05/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

swatsqad said:
Quote:

Dr.Satan said:
Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule  because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems




Did you ever think about the fact that I was put on a schedule after they were starting to grow? god damn people, stop being so fucking judgemental!
All I am asking now is what do I do with the cakes? I HAVE A WEEK LEFT. jeeezus... Everyone is ignoring my questions and just suggesting to wait, what the actual fluck.



I'm just saying sometimes it takes time. You can't make them go any faster then they are going to go. Sometimes it's quick sometimes it's slow. The best you can do is put them in ideal conditions and hope for quick results.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22045863 - 08/05/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if  not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway.  Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.




Tonight I had a dream that I've woken up to find a massive flush of shrooms that have grown overnight. After reading you'r thoughts, I'll let them sit a few days more just to see what happens.. God damn am I frustrated, so much care and love was given to them, and they don't seem to love me back at this time :| I can't solely fault the fact that they were a couple of days short from full consolidation.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22045866 - 08/05/15 06:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

RenegadeBlue said:
Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if  not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway.  Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.



Typically my flushes go from pins to fruits ready to harvest in 3-5 days. I've yet to have any pins take longer then that.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22045878 - 08/05/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr.Satan said:
Quote:

RenegadeBlue said:
Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if  not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway.  Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.



Typically my flushes go from pins to fruits ready to harvest in 3-5 days. I've yet to have any pins take longer then that.




Well my pin (or what even is this? primordia?) has only grown about 1mm in height over 3 days

whats wrong with it? is that an abort?


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22045880 - 08/05/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22045882 - 08/05/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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swatsqad said:
Quote:

Dr.Satan said:
Quote:

RenegadeBlue said:
Mushrooms are usually pretty quick to grow. I actually just read something very interesting the other day. Not sure if u care but I'll tell u anyway! Mushrooms apparently grow from cell expansion (cells fill up with water to expand) rather than cell division like animals. This is a much faster process. So to answer ur actual question, I've had some aggressive pins go from approx .25 inches to 3.5 to 4 inches in around 4 days (maybe a little less cant remember exactly) I'd say as long as u have the right conditions and some of those pins take off u should see at least something in 7 days. Can't recall how many cakes u have but if u have several as long as u get a decent amount of medium sized fruits u can harvest them early and just eat them. U don't absolutely have to wait until full grown to harvest as long as the quantity of shrooms u have produced sufficient weight to give u a good trip. Mushrooms are apparently more potent before the caps open, so if  not mistaken if u harvest early the fruits may be slightly more potent than if u were to allow them to fully mature anyway.  Again my word is not gospel just speaking from my experience thus far.



Typically my flushes go from pins to fruits ready to harvest in 3-5 days. I've yet to have any pins take longer then that.




Well my pin (or what even is this? primordia?) has only grown about 1mm in height over 3 days

whats wrong with it? is that an abort?



I honestly don't know what that is. I've never seen any pins look like that, what strain are you growing? It could be knots forming which would eventually become pins, but I really can't tell :shrug:

That is a damn good quality picture though :thumbup:


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22045885 - 08/05/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22045950 - 08/05/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That thing is becoming bigger every day, by a tiny bit, and the cap now looks more of a brown color. Its cubensis b+
I would post a picture of how it looks now, but the pictures aren't working again.
And actually it looks like more pins are starting to form that way, I see more of those "things" with a white half grain of rice sized unibody with a brown cap. am I growing an alien?


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad]
    #22048966 - 08/05/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: swatsqad] * 1
    #22049622 - 08/05/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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swatsqad said:
Quote:

Dr.Satan said:
Your first mistake was attempting a grow with a set time frame. As pussy fart's signature says patience is key. You don't want to put your harvest on a schedule  because mushrooms won't follow it. They do their own thing. Next time you attempt a grow give yourself plenty of time because odds are they will need it. Rushing through the process is just asking for problems




Did you ever think about the fact that I was put on a schedule after they were starting to grow? god damn people, stop being so fucking judgemental!
All I am asking now is what do I do with the cakes? I HAVE A WEEK LEFT. jeeezus... Everyone is ignoring my questions and just suggesting to wait, what the actual fluck.




Well, you might as well wait for, say, five days and see what gives. If at the end of that time you have no decent growth, then you can make cake tea. Your mycelium is sufficiently aged so that it has plenty of psilocybin in it. I have made cake tea. It is better than its reputation and a lot better than nothing. Don't underestimate it.

Also, what kind of camera are you using to take those pics. What is the pixel rating? I wish I could get pics that good, with that kind of zoom capacity.


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Re: Pins stopped growing, options? [Re: champinhom]
    #22050570 - 08/05/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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