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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22044245 - 08/04/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Chief, you are exactly right. Zap has nothing just bluster and bombast. Trump didn't cheat anyone on those deals. Chapter 11 means everyone gets paid but the owner, trump. Despite those setbacks he is richer than almost anyone. He makes more in an hour than zap does in a year of pounding nails and sawing boards.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22044248 - 08/04/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The banks lent him the money fair and square dewd not sure how thats screwing them over. I mean anyone who looks into why those companies had to file bankrupsy will find out how full of shit zappa is.

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1991 — The first of Trump’s bankruptcies is the only one where Trump’s personal assets took a major hit. The bankruptcy was driven by the debt on Trump’s Taj Mahal, which was financed with junk bonds that carried a 14 percent interest rate.

Both the economy and the interest in Atlantic City gambling sank shortly after the Taj Mahal was completed, leaving Trump’s corporation with $3.4 billion in debts. Trump had too much personal interest in this venture, and ended up having to relinquish half of his ownership, sell his Trump Shuttle airplane and Trump Princess yacht, and effectively be put on a budget by his creditors. Trump learned from that episode, and took greater care to shield his personal wealth.

We hate to contemplate a future where President Trump is forced to sell Air force One to pay the country’s debts.

1992 — This bankruptcy was a byproduct of the same economic conditions as 1991, this time involving the Trump Plaza Hotel. The deal was similar in nature to 1991 with less personal exposure. Citibank ended up with 49 percent interest in the hotel. Trump ended up with no salary but remained as CEO and received a fairly lenient repayment plan.

2004 — In 2004, it was the Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts filing for bankruptcy with $1.8 billion in debt. Trump’s share was reduced to 25 percent, leaving him without the controlling interest. In return, the Donald received lower interest rates and a loan of $500 million targeted for improvements.

2009 — The real estate crash took a large toll on Trump’s real estate holdings, and upon missing a large bond interest payment, Trump Entertainment Resorts was off to bankruptcy court. Trump and his board of directors fought over the restructuring terms, culminating with Trump’s resignation and a continuing 10 percent ownership interest.

Budding Trumpologists may like to add the Trump International Golf Club Puerto Rico to this list, but its filing for bankruptcy in July of 2015 does not count. The filing corporation uses Trump’s name through a licensing agreement, but Trump has no ownership interest in the company.






Anybody who ever defaults on a loan anytime anywhere is a scumbag in my book.  No excuses.  If he has 10 billion dollars why didn't he just make good?  He had the cash, right?  He could have paid it, right?  He's a fucking reptile.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22044269 - 08/04/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cuz the hotel/casino were in the shitter along with the rest of atlantic city. Would you use ur personal money to try to float that turd? You seem to think trump personally welched on a debt which simply isnt true.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Niffla]
    #22044286 - 08/04/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't you despise the United States? Pretty sure I specifically remember you trashing the US. You're in Australia, right? Why do you even care who gets elected here? And since you despise the US and really think Trump is an atrocious candidate, shouldn't you actually be rooting for him then? :lol:




I'm kind of in the same boat. I'm an Aussie and while I certainly don't despise the US, I do despise your "political" system and believe it has done an enormous amount of harm across the globe. As I stated in my initial post, the US (being the super power that it is) heavily influences ally countries. Our PM is like a rabbit that blindly follows Obama like he's got a carrot up his ass. I believe that in order for things to change in my country, the US has to lead the way. The leaders of our country aren't going to risk straying from the side of the largest Military power in existence.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Niffla]
    #22044290 - 08/04/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yep..mo matter what if a Republican wins the election the US and the world are totally fucked.




One would have to try really, really fucking hard to actually do worse than the guy that's currently holding office.





I disagree. Maybe it just seems like Obama is doing awful because of the mess he inherited. But what I do know is that Obama has done an awesome job compared to bush..


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #22044297 - 08/04/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Cuz the hotel/casino were in the shitter along with the rest of atlantic city. Would you use ur personal money to try to float that turd? You seem to think trump personally welched on a debt which simply isnt true.



He bought them.  Nobody made him invest in casinos.  He borrowed money.  He had money.  He stiffed people.  By that I mean he fucked them in the the ass.  Yes, Trump personally welched on a debt.  I am not that big on the corporate veil especially if you allegedly  have billions of other assets.  It isn't like he was going to lose his home.  He fucked people over.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22044302 - 08/04/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Niffla said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:

Yep..mo matter what if a Republican wins the election the US and the world are totally fucked.




One would have to try really, really fucking hard to actually do worse than the guy that's currently holding office.





I disagree. Maybe it just seems like Obama is doing awful because of the mess he inherited. But what I do know is that Obama has done an awesome job compared to bush..



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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #22044303 - 08/04/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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patial why do you specially want trump to win. Hes conservative douchebag who only cares about the rich. What POSSIBLE reason do you think he is going to improve the world. Just INHERITED MONEY and invested it. Thats just pure luck. Have you ever actually seen ANY of his interview or know ANYTHING about him? He is a horrible human being. Seriously it sounds like you have done zero research on him.




Don't you despise the United States? Pretty sure I specifically remember you trashing the US. You're in Australia, right? Why do you even care who gets elected here? And since you despise the US and really think Trump is an atrocious candidate, shouldn't you actually be rooting for him then? :lol:




Yes and this is one of the main reason I do. Many of the decisions murica makes affects the rest of the world. So when you fuck up, you spread waves of idiocy around the globe aswell without any remorse for fucking over other countries.

Remember, AMERICAN RUINED DRUGS FOR EVERYONE. You started the drug war, you brought it to the UN, you pushed for it, you ruined it for everyone else.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: kakashi68]
    #22044331 - 08/04/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22044347 - 08/04/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Niffla said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:

Yep..mo matter what if a Republican wins the election the US and the world are totally fucked.




One would have to try really, really fucking hard to actually do worse than the guy that's currently holding office.





I disagree. Maybe it just seems like Obama is doing awful because of the mess he inherited. But what I do know is that Obama has done an awesome job compared to bush..




Yeah we'll agree to disagree. Obama's had two tenures. The blaming Bush excuse doesn't fly anymore. And in no reality, compared to Bush or who the hell ever, has Obama done an "awesome job". I'm not a conservative nor a democrat -- I'm not one of these party line sheep who just generalize and say shit like, "all republicans are bad", or "all liberals are bad". I don't have a dog in the race and I actually root for whomever is in office to do a good job -- because a good job by <insert president here> is good for the country.

Fact of the matter is, Obama has been fucking atrocious. And he has nobody to blame but himself and his administration.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: kakashi68]
    #22044356 - 08/04/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
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Niffla said:
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patial why do you specially want trump to win. Hes conservative douchebag who only cares about the rich. What POSSIBLE reason do you think he is going to improve the world. Just INHERITED MONEY and invested it. Thats just pure luck. Have you ever actually seen ANY of his interview or know ANYTHING about him? He is a horrible human being. Seriously it sounds like you have done zero research on him.




Don't you despise the United States? Pretty sure I specifically remember you trashing the US. You're in Australia, right? Why do you even care who gets elected here? And since you despise the US and really think Trump is an atrocious candidate, shouldn't you actually be rooting for him then? :lol:




Yes and this is one of the main reason I do. Many of the decisions murica makes affects the rest of the world. So when you fuck up, you spread waves of idiocy around the globe aswell without any remorse for fucking over other countries.

Remember, AMERICAN RUINED DRUGS FOR EVERYONE. You started the drug war, you brought it to the UN, you pushed for it, you ruined it for everyone else.



Yes use america as a scape goat its fine were used to it. Your right america cares very little for the rest of the world. :rolleyes:


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #22044386 - 08/04/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Remember, AMERICAN RUINED DRUGS FOR EVERYONE. You started the drug war, you brought it to the UN, you pushed for it, you ruined it for everyone else.






Dude you probably spend every free minute you have getting high. What's the problem? And lmfao, why are you saying YOU? As if the vast majority of citizens here had anything to do with the fucking drug war. I'm against the pointless drug war as much as the next guy, but the fact that you bring that point up first to discredit the United States shows how pathetic your priorities in life are.

WAHHHH I CAN'T GET MY DRUGS AT THE CORNER STORE WAHHHHHH LIFE IS SO UNFAIR WAHHHH I HAVE TO BE MORE DISCREET ABOUT MY DAILY DRUG USE WAHHHH

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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Niffla]
    #22044392 - 08/04/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There is not a country in the world that doesn't have prohibition


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Patlal]
    #22044403 - 08/04/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I sinceriously wish that Trump wins it. I'm so desperately want to see someone that isn't a politician win.

Look a Reagan. Professional actor. Best Prez of the last 50 years.
Eisenhower. Army General, Amazing Prez.

Take away the politician credentials and suddenly you have a competent man running the country.





Ronald Reagan was a politician


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22044408 - 08/04/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

austrailia has taken it on themselves to be one of the strictest aswell so go figure :shrug:


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: kakashi68]
    #22044423 - 08/04/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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patial why do you specially want trump to win. Hes conservative douchebag who only cares about the rich. What POSSIBLE reason do you think he is going to improve the world. Just INHERITED MONEY and invested it. Thats just pure luck. Have you ever actually seen ANY of his interview or know ANYTHING about him? He is a horrible human being. Seriously it sounds like you have done zero research on him.




Don't you despise the United States? Pretty sure I specifically remember you trashing the US. You're in Australia, right? Why do you even care who gets elected here? And since you despise the US and really think Trump is an atrocious candidate, shouldn't you actually be rooting for him then? :lol:




Yes and this is one of the main reason I do. Many of the decisions murica makes affects the rest of the world. So when you fuck up, you spread waves of idiocy around the globe aswell without any remorse for fucking over other countries.

Remember, AMERICAN RUINED DRUGS FOR EVERYONE. You started the drug war, you brought it to the UN, you pushed for it, you ruined it for everyone else.





does the US listen to the UN? does Russia listen to the UN? does China listen
to the UN? We know Iraq didnt listen to the UN, in fact I'm not sure any
country actually listens to the UN


your country made it's own laws


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22044436 - 08/04/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Patlal said:
I sinceriously wish that Trump wins it. I'm so desperately want to see someone that isn't a politician win.

Look a Reagan. Professional actor. Best Prez of the last 50 years.
Eisenhower. Army General, Amazing Prez.

Take away the politician credentials and suddenly you have a competent man running the country.





Ronald Reagan was a politician



He was also a union president


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22044439 - 08/04/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
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Niffla said:
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kakashi68 said:
patial why do you specially want trump to win. Hes conservative douchebag who only cares about the rich. What POSSIBLE reason do you think he is going to improve the world. Just INHERITED MONEY and invested it. Thats just pure luck. Have you ever actually seen ANY of his interview or know ANYTHING about him? He is a horrible human being. Seriously it sounds like you have done zero research on him.




Don't you despise the United States? Pretty sure I specifically remember you trashing the US. You're in Australia, right? Why do you even care who gets elected here? And since you despise the US and really think Trump is an atrocious candidate, shouldn't you actually be rooting for him then? :lol:




Yes and this is one of the main reason I do. Many of the decisions murica makes affects the rest of the world. So when you fuck up, you spread waves of idiocy around the globe aswell without any remorse for fucking over other countries.

Remember, AMERICAN RUINED DRUGS FOR EVERYONE. You started the drug war, you brought it to the UN, you pushed for it, you ruined it for everyone else.





does the US listen to the UN? does Russia listen to the UN? does China listen
to the UN? We know Iraq didnt listen to the UN, in fact I'm not sure any
country actually listens to the UN


your country made it's own laws




Its only one example. And yes it didnt "directly" make laws. But in order to keep powerful people as friends its best to keep them happy.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Patlal]
    #22044527 - 08/04/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I sinceriously wish that Trump wins it. I'm so desperately want to see someone that isn't a politician win.

Look a Reagan. Professional actor. Best Prez of the last 50 years.
Eisenhower. Army General, Amazing Prez.

Take away the politician credentials and suddenly you have a competent man running the country.





Yeah man, let's get an old right wing nut who has a net worth of over $4 billion and allow him to make rational decisions that affect an entire country full of mostly poor and middle class citizens.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #22044535 - 08/04/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Let me tell what I think of Trump.  I wouldn't bid on a job he was involved in.  He is a skunk.


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