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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #22043775 - 08/04/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He has fucked millions of people over.  He is a huckster pure and simple.  Consider this.  There are still people in Europe who will lend money to Greece even though there is no chance they will get repaid.  Trump is not worth 10 billion dollars.  The total amount of his leveraged assets might reach that but that doessn't account for the loans.  Loans are generally not put on the asset side of the balance sheet.  They are put on the liabilities side.  He is more full of shit than two Christmas turkeys and the most lucrative thing he ever did was his TV show.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: kakashi68]
    #22043786 - 08/04/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
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Just because Trump is everything different from a scripted politician doesn't mean he 's an idiot. Idiot cannot become billionaires. Not even if they win the Powerball 3 ties in a row...

99.99% of multi-millionaire don't become billionaires... There's under 1500 billionaires on the planet... One of them is willing to drop it all and manage the fucking country. How do you not say yes to this??? How do you even refuse to consider it?

Sure, sure, managing a country isn't the same as managing a company... Then again, managing a toilet paper factory and managing the American Cancer Society are different things too and yet lots of managers and CEO's jump from private to charity and vice versa. Why should the government be any different?

Technically, the job of a President is to take the country (company) and manage it. He has to take care of the citizens (shareholders), manage their pensions, their healthcare, train them, make rules etc. He has to make them a profit by redistributing whatever is too much or absorbing the hit and not go bankrupt if something goes wrong.

It isn't as if private sector managers wouldn't able to wrap their heads around the change in procedure...

So what I'm saying is; would you gamble on a guy that doesn't even write his own speeches or the guy that managed a company for 40 years and secured a spot at the tip top of the ladder?




I understand where your coming from. But you are so wrong. Yes an "everyman" would probably make a good pres. But trump is the furthest thing from an everyman. He will get rid of the middle class, make things better for the rich and take the money from the poor and give it to the rich. Not to mention the rest of his garbage.




And my whole thought is. If we're going to have someone do that wouldn't it be MUCH better if he was at least a Judo champion and had a sexy Russian accent? I don't see how this could possibly go wrong.

What I really wish is that we had more than 2 damn parties to "officially" choose from. I know that's a stretch, but my hope is that some good third party contenders will eventually step up. I'll take a damn Anarcho-Libertarian over the crap we're being offered now.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Patlal]
    #22043790 - 08/04/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I sinceriously wish that Trump wins it. I'm so desperately want to see someone that isn't a politician win.

Look a Reagan. Professional actor. Best Prez of the last 50 years.
Eisenhower. Army General, Amazing Prez.

Take away the politician credentials and suddenly you have a competent man running the country.





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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: kakashi68]
    #22043796 - 08/04/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
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Patlal said:
Just because Trump is everything different from a scripted politician doesn't mean he 's an idiot. Idiot cannot become billionaires. Not even if they win the Powerball 3 ties in a row...

99.99% of multi-millionaire don't become billionaires... There's under 1500 billionaires on the planet... One of them is willing to drop it all and manage the fucking country. How do you not say yes to this??? How do you even refuse to consider it?

Sure, sure, managing a country isn't the same as managing a company... Then again, managing a toilet paper factory and managing the American Cancer Society are different things too and yet lots of managers and CEO's jump from private to charity and vice versa. Why should the government be any different?

Technically, the job of a President is to take the country (company) and manage it. He has to take care of the citizens (shareholders), manage their pensions, their healthcare, train them, make rules etc. He has to make them a profit by redistributing whatever is too much or absorbing the hit and not go bankrupt if something goes wrong.

It isn't as if private sector managers wouldn't able to wrap their heads around the change in procedure...

So what I'm saying is; would you gamble on a guy that doesn't even write his own speeches or the guy that managed a company for 40 years and secured a spot at the tip top of the ladder?




I understand where your coming from. But you are so wrong. Yes an "everyman" would probably make a good pres. But trump is the furthest thing from an everyman. He will get rid of the middle class, make things better for the rich and take the money from the poor and give it to the rich. Not to mention the rest of his garbage.




Yeah?

You have that crystal of yours right? Just because he's rich, he's automatically gonna favor them?

I say its the opposite. Because he is rich, he is immune to the influence of other rich people that want to buy influence.

Also, personally, if hhe has friends that can do a better job building a bridge and do it at a cheaper price, why shouldn't Trump hire that guy? To prevent him from becoming richer? So therefore we should hire a less competent guy just because Trump doesn't know him?

If Trump is that rich, its because he knows all the best guys and already is friends with them. So if he gives them the work, its because it better. Not because they're his friends...


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #22043810 - 08/04/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Other rich people won't be able to fund congressional campaigns?  He isn't as rich as he says he is.  Has he pledged to self fund his campaign?  Is this where we want to go?  Only rich people should be President?


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043820 - 08/04/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oh yeh trumps never made any money riiight:rolleyes:


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043823 - 08/04/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
He has fucked millions of people over.  He is a huckster pure and simple.  Consider this.  There are still people in Europe who will lend money to Greece even though there is no chance they will get repaid.  Trump is not worth 10 billion dollars.  The total amount of his leveraged assets might reach that but that doessn't account for the loans.  Loans are generally not put on the asset side of the balance sheet.  They are put on the liabilities side.  He is more full of shit than two Christmas turkeys and the most lucrative thing he ever did was his TV show.




Millions have been fucked over by Trump? Millions?

Oh, so you mean the taxpayers paying for that bankruptcy law right? Well guess what, actual millions of people file for bankrutpcy every year.

Who gives a fuck what the man is worth. He's a billionaire, that is 100% backed by the numbers. He's one of the 1500 sitting on the highest possible step of the ladder.

Of course it's total assets - liabilities... The guy doesn't have 10 billion sitting in his checking account...


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: kakashi68]
    #22043829 - 08/04/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why do people think trump is in this for the money? He is worth some $10B right now, how is he going to do better as a politician? He is taking a huge pay cut if he accepts the presidency. As for zap's stupid points, lets refute them one by one.

>1.  Trump inherited a lot of money.  Reagan did not.  Nor did I

So what, who gives a crap? He multiplied it many times over

>2.  He is a serial bankrupt. 

A few of the nearly 400 companies he owned went bk, he did not personally

>He has probably fucked over more people than Madoff.  Not for as much but a lot more regular people

"probably" is bullshit.

>3.  He lost money on a casino and had it wrested from his control

So what.

>4.  Do you know who can manage complicated  construction projects?  Me.
>5.  Do you know who has never filed for bankruptcy?  Me.

Do you have $10B? No. Do you have $1B? No, so shut up already. Go hammer some nails.

Trump would be a breath of fresh air in the putrid halls of congress. Hill+billy is more of the same, jeb is more of the same. Vote trump or if he does not get the nomination, vote third party


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043832 - 08/04/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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  Has he pledged to self fund his campaign?



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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043837 - 08/04/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

kakashi68 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Just because Trump is everything different from a scripted politician doesn't mean he 's an idiot. Idiot cannot become billionaires. Not even if they win the Powerball 3 ties in a row...

99.99% of multi-millionaire don't become billionaires... There's under 1500 billionaires on the planet... One of them is willing to drop it all and manage the fucking country. How do you not say yes to this??? How do you even refuse to consider it?

Sure, sure, managing a country isn't the same as managing a company... Then again, managing a toilet paper factory and managing the American Cancer Society are different things too and yet lots of managers and CEO's jump from private to charity and vice versa. Why should the government be any different?

Technically, the job of a President is to take the country (company) and manage it. He has to take care of the citizens (shareholders), manage their pensions, their healthcare, train them, make rules etc. He has to make them a profit by redistributing whatever is too much or absorbing the hit and not go bankrupt if something goes wrong.

It isn't as if private sector managers wouldn't able to wrap their heads around the change in procedure...

So what I'm saying is; would you gamble on a guy that doesn't even write his own speeches or the guy that managed a company for 40 years and secured a spot at the tip top of the ladder?




I understand where your coming from. But you are so wrong. Yes an "everyman" would probably make a good pres. But trump is the furthest thing from an everyman. He will get rid of the middle class, make things better for the rich and take the money from the poor and give it to the rich. Not to mention the rest of his garbage.




Yeah?

You have that crystal of yours right? Just because he's rich, he's automatically gonna favor them?

I say its the opposite. Because he is rich, he is immune to the influence of other rich people that want to buy influence.

Also, personally, if hhe has friends that can do a better job building a bridge and do it at a cheaper price, why shouldn't Trump hire that guy? To prevent him from becoming richer? So therefore we should hire a less competent guy just because Trump doesn't know him?

If Trump is that rich, its because he knows all the best guys and already is friends with them. So if he gives them the work, its because it better. Not because they're his friends...




I literally...can't even with this entire statement. Just...wow. So the pattern of history, stretched into our modern cosmos, where he rich will favor the rich because that's exactly how they maintain their leverage will magically change because...magic?

Like, have you studied any history at all? Economics? Which granted, is a bit of a soft science since it depends on "all things being equal" a bit much...
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zappaisgod said:
Other rich people won't be able to fund congressional campaigns?  He isn't as rich as he says he is.  Has he pledged to self fund his campaign?  Is this where we want to go?  Only rich people should be President?




Isn't that pretty much what it is now? Who can actually afford to run for president if they don't already have backers and their own deep coffers to pull from?


Edited by dionysiandame (08/04/15 06:45 PM)


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22043845 - 08/04/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
oh yeh trumps never made any money riiight:rolleyes:




The most money he ever made was on his TV show.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043864 - 08/04/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Like personally? I doubt that.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22043880 - 08/04/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Why do people think trump is in this for the money? He is worth some $10B right now, how is he going to do better as a politician? He is taking a huge pay cut if he accepts the presidency. As for zap's stupid points, lets refute them one by one.

>1.  Trump inherited a lot of money.  Reagan did not.  Nor did I

So what, who gives a crap? He multiplied it many times over

>2.  He is a serial bankrupt. 

A few of the nearly 400 companies he owned went bk, he did not personally

>He has probably fucked over more people than Madoff.  Not for as much but a lot more regular people

"probably" is bullshit.

>3.  He lost money on a casino and had it wrested from his control

So what.

>4.  Do you know who can manage complicated  construction projects?  Me.
>5.  Do you know who has never filed for bankruptcy?  Me.

Do you have $10B? No. Do you have $1B? No, so shut up already. Go hammer some nails.

Trump would be a breath of fresh air in the putrid halls of congress. Hill+billy is more of the same, jeb is more of the same. Vote trump or if he does not get the nomination, vote third party




Not a single refutation there.  Trump said he has 10B.  Trump.  He is a serial liar.  He loses court cases all the time.  Trump is a total scumbag.  Not as scummy as Clinton or Obama but pretty scummy all the same.

What you guys don't understand is that I have lived in or around NYC most of my life which is approaching its 6th decade.  I know this guy.  He is a self aggrandizing piece of shit weasel who has ripped off millions of people.  You know him from his TV show.  I've known of him for decades and knew he was a piece of shit from the beginning.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22043902 - 08/04/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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dionysiandame said:
zappaisgod said:
Other rich people won't be able to fund congressional campaigns?  He isn't as rich as he says he is.  Has he pledged to self fund his campaign?  Is this where we want to go?  Only rich people should be President?




Isn't that pretty much what it is now? Who can actually afford to run for president if they don't already have backers and their own deep coffers to pull from?




Backers are outside money and a lot of them don't have much personal mosey.  They'd probably have more if they never went into politics


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043903 - 08/04/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

self aggrandizing is what has build his brand dummy


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22043915 - 08/04/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

annnd he fucks over millions of people because hes good at business. :flowstone:


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043918 - 08/04/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What you guys don't understand is that I have lived in or around NYC most of my life which is approaching its 6th decade.  I know this guy.  He is a self aggrandizing piece of shit weasel who has ripped off millions of people.  You know him from his TV show.  I've known of him for decades and knew he was a piece of shit from the beginning.




Give me specific examples please? One detailed story would be good enough for me. I'm interested.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Patlal]
    #22043929 - 08/04/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:


What you guys don't understand is that I have lived in or around NYC most of my life which is approaching its 6th decade.  I know this guy.  He is a self aggrandizing piece of shit weasel who has ripped off millions of people.  You know him from his TV show.  I've known of him for decades and knew he was a piece of shit from the beginning.




Give me specific examples please? One detailed story would be good enough for me. I'm interested.




He has no specifics, he is just jealous of the man. Trump makes more in an hour than zap does in a year.


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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22044002 - 08/04/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Who will win the 2016 US Presidential Election? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22044008 - 08/04/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Trump's stance on the drug war seems to be pretty open minded, but do any of you guys actually by the whole "Never touched drugs, nor alcohol, tobacco, or coffee." (Jul 2000)?  I am skeptical toward his recent poll results, and also something about him just seems false. On the brighter side, he would be the first president to be roasted on comedy central!


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