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Why?
    #22040674 - 08/04/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The question seems stupid now I think of it, as if the question implies that there is an answer to it, a governing authority who can take responsibility and tell me what I seek to know. I recently watched a heart tearing video about a young puppy which had one of its legs hacked of and was then thrown 30 feet into a sewer to die. The puppy was rescued however the raw brutality of the world which is something I have realised for a long time came to the forefront of my mind. It seems so selfish that as I sit here writing this, living creatures around the world are suffering in pain, sickness and death. I don't believe in god and this only furthers my contempt towards a fictitious being that is claimed to be omnipotent and yet sits idly by while horrific things happen. Either you must say that god has the power to stop it and does not because it's part of his plan which is a disgusting idea, or perhaps even worse that a creator simply doesn't care. I write this post out of sheer disbelief that anything but a cruel masochistic creator could "intelligently design" such a complete monstrosity. Optimists may say to look at the good in the world as opposed to the bad but this just blinds ones mind from the blinding truth that this exists in such abundance. Perhaps the most damning piece of this is that, the only given in our world is suffering. The only guarantee life gives is you will either live long enough to see your loved ones die of disease and illness or die in a horrible fashion yourself all as part of some great plan eh.

Such a universe of wonder and beauty and contrasting magnificence, it's amazing how such complexity co-exists with such a raw and basic thing like cruelty. I guess it's just inherent in the world that we live in. It pisses me off when I hear religious people "thank god" for the miracles and things he does, (don't mean to offend personally in this next part) your a fucking egocentric asshole. As if god chose you over the thousand of other people the thousands of dying children that die in cesspools of shit, vomit and the waste of mankind. I DESPISE the hide in which someone can call a supposed creator of this universe loving, just and merciful. What part of the torture, rape , murder, beatings you name it is in any way merciful or just, even gods "chosen" people didn't fair to well and god didn't do jack shit while corpses were burnt by the thousands.

My accusatory tone towards religion is not meant to offend on a personal level rather ideas and frankly if I've offended you good. Smell the roses because Im sick of religious people acting like we live in some magical playground designed for the first world white people. I ask for merely your thoughts on the topics raised and if you rebut I am pleased as long as well reasoned logic is brought to the discussion. This is something I am very passionate about and as you may realise tensions run high. Thank you


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Re: Why? [Re: Ilift]
    #22042749 - 08/04/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I understand and congratulate you. The world is your oyster, put that non-sense behind you and go eat it.
I don't think this kind of revelation carries as much shock and awe around here as it might for you as this post is covered ground, so much so that it almost gives one deja-vu. Hell is this my thread? I could very well be the OP
It's kind of a ritualistic right, almost like coming out of the theistic closet.
Good to get out. It's stuffy in there.


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Re: Why? [Re: Tropism]
    #22042986 - 08/04/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

God belief is a defense mechanism. I don't despise believers though I'm wary of them.

The confusion of not knowing is better than the cognitive dissonance of thinking ones does or might... so congrats on finding the most reasonable honest answer to existence... the lack of one. I think for the most part you'll be preaching to the choir here. If it's religious debate you're looking for in a cathartic sense, there are plenty of religious message boards you could kick some dust up in.


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Re: Why? [Re: Ilift]
    #22044267 - 08/04/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course God is merciful. How could something that sends 2 she bears to kill 42 children for calling a man bald not be merciful?

2 Kings 2:24
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

I dun dan can't understand those non believing nuggets.

"Quod ita sit, velim manifesto mordacitas."


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Re: Why? [Re: sudly]
    #22044493 - 08/04/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: they had it comin


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Re: Why? [Re: Tropism]
    #22045206 - 08/04/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have had these views for a while so Im not really coming out in that sense, this post was mainly prompted by the video I saw and the burst of emotion that resulted in my questioning. It pisses me off how religious people are granted freedoms for their crackpot beliefs yet think it is there right to deny others (gays,etc). Im not trying to get an athiest circle jerk nor disgruntled Christians, just to attempt to put my thoughts in front of me and see what responses other people have. This is why I implied the question of 'why' is rhetorical, there is no answer it can't be known but at the same time I desire some consolidation, but at the end of the day it's just the way it is and until people love each others differences more than they hate them this is all there can be.


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Re: Why? [Re: Ilift]
    #22046399 - 08/05/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm I think it is important to be able to field questions of "why?" in general, for example, to understand that impulse itself.

Understanding the idea of a cause of nature in Aristotle, is in an important way different than the cause of Christians who translated/misinterpreted this as fundamentally explicable narrative.

To consider something like that without conditioned reactions can change the way we think about the world. Peeling of the layers of conditioning can be meditative.


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Re: Why? [Re: Ilift]
    #22048018 - 08/05/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ilift said:
I have had these views for a while so Im not really coming out in that sense, this post was mainly prompted by the video I saw and the burst of emotion that resulted in my questioning. It pisses me off how religious people are granted freedoms for their crackpot beliefs yet think it is there right to deny others (gays,etc). Im not trying to get an athiest circle jerk nor disgruntled Christians, just to attempt to put my thoughts in front of me and see what responses other people have. This is why I implied the question of 'why' is rhetorical, there is no answer it can't be known but at the same time I desire some consolidation, but at the end of the day it's just the way it is and until people love each others differences more than they hate them this is all there can be.




I meant no harm, mostly my response was provoked by your post being eighteen hours old at the time without a bite.
Mostly I just meant: I hear ya. :cheers:

It is a mad world, and in our defense against it we slip into it ourselves.
All the crackpot belief, egocentricism, jihads and crucifixion, it all comes back to fear.
A fear I would love to stand raw and exposed hand-in-hand with the rest of the planet, naked to existence and in our own unknowing.
Instead we scurry to our temples to knit our theological safety blankets and war over whose is best.


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Re: Why? [Re: Tropism]
    #22051164 - 08/06/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am going to use an experience while I was under the influence of a high dose of mushrooms (my first bad trip that happened a few years ago) as an analogy Im NOT saying that drugs allow divine wisdom or anything of the sort. While I was scared shitless on the couch my parents comforted me, unhappy as they may have been that their son was high on drugs my mother who I later found out had a similar experience in her youth sat with me and calmed me. I had this very peculiar feeling almost an emotion which returns to me from time to time, it's indescribable in any conventional sense and it was almost as if I could "see my parents energy" the human element ceased to exist and what I saw was rather two beings in front of me and my own being which at that point of anxiety and fear had transcended beyond who I was merely hours ago. Why I bring this up is that, the sheer chaos and insanity that is reality is such a powerful thing to experience. Whilst taken as far from my own reality as it is possible to be, observing the real world was alien and reality did not make sense.  Our reality is so peculiar and magnificent beyond anything that you could think, that we are literally evolved apes on a planet floating around in a mass of space is so incredible, so insane. All the things that seem normal eg; going to school, catching the train, watching a movie etc seem normal but are actually so odd and fantastic if you look at it in perspective. I brought up "energy" by this I mean that regardless of the origin or meaning (if there is at all) of the universe all human beings share a unique strand of consciousness which is unlike that of the animal. We can articulate what we see and feel this often leads to mans belief in his own superiority however at the base of human existence regardless of the mechanisms by which we occur is this fundamental aspect that separates us from animals. My sentiments on this do not incline that we are special, they note that we have the power to recall the things that are happening.

Thank you for commenting all answers are greatly for appreciated
special shoutout to Tropism for the effort :laugh:


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Re: Why? [Re: Ilift]
    #22051950 - 08/06/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Neat post, thanks for the shout.
I waver with you on the last point regarding consciousness, but what can ya do.
I just doubt our consciousness is any more special than that of other animals, they seem to express personality, rationality, and emotion but often to lesser degrees.

Opposable thumbs and tricky tongues gave us the boost in superiority that lead to society, and I think if another species had found a breakthrough of that size when uncontested on the planet for dominance then it could have gone a very different way and they might be left remarking on the poor homoerectus, how close he is to being conscious animals like themselves.
I'd wager it was an adaptation that was half luck and half timing more than any special kind of consciousness.
Awareness however is a different story.


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Re: Why? [Re: Tropism]
    #22056436 - 08/07/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Tropism said:
Neat post, thanks for the shout.
I waver with you on the last point regarding consciousness, but what can ya do.
I just doubt our consciousness is any more special than that of other animals, they seem to express personality, rationality, and emotion but often to lesser degrees.

Opposable thumbs and tricky tongues gave us the boost in superiority that lead to society, and I think if another species had found a breakthrough of that size when uncontested on the planet for dominance then it could have gone a very different way and they might be left remarking on the poor homoerectus, how close he is to being conscious animals like themselves.
I'd wager it was an adaptation that was half luck and half timing more than any special kind of consciousness.
Awareness however is a different story.




I agree with you I was trying to make this clear in my second half of the post, I was saying we are unique in the sense that we can communicate and relay our experience in the way animals can't. Not that we are on the earth for a divine purpose. Refreshing to hear from people who don't try engage me with the same cock'n'bull stories I hear about the bible being evidence. I mistrust religious people in some ways as I notice many intelligent believers have to make BIG jumps in logic and science to believe and most people morph their own faith based on what they think is believable and what is not.


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