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OfflineKarmikal
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Smaller than expected fruits... Why?
    #22040602 - 08/04/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To preface, this is not my first rodeo but it has been 7 years or so since my previous cultivation.  I have also found various threads detailing various reasons for smaller fruits and have narrowed this down to either genetics or an over-wet substrate/lack of fae.  Perhaps someone with more experience than I can offer a more enlightened guess.

Specifics:
P. Cubensis (multispore "costa rica")
Oat grain spawn 1:3 to bulk substrate
Substrate is field cap 3:1 coir/verm + gypsum
Bulk trays are small 6qt plastic shoe boxes with plastic liners
Fruiting chamber is a greenhouse type with ultrasonic humidification and 6500k fluorescent light
Average temp ranges 70 - 75 f
1st flush fruit size ranging from 1 to 2 inches
1st flush yield from 1st tray was 220g wet



Greenhouse (re-purposed locker)


Second tray (about a day behind the other)


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Invisiblemrbart4444
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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Karmikal]
    #22040608 - 08/04/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like gentics to me but ive read about it having to do with moister also. You cant really expect what you want from ms


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OfflineKarmikal
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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22040622 - 08/04/15 04:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I totally agree about multispore but my previous experiences with multispore have always yielded several phenotypic variants per tray - some tall some small some fat etc...  Would this be more uniform due to better genetic consolidation or is it an environmental condition causing these to be so small that variations don't even get a chance to show?


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InvisibleDr.Satan
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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Karmikal]
    #22040626 - 08/04/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Karmikal said:
I totally agree about multispore but my previous experiences with multispore have always yielded several phenotypic variants per tray - some tall some small some fat etc...  Would this be more uniform due to better genetic consolidation or is it an environmental condition causing these to be so small that variations don't even get a chance to show?



They look healthy to me so I would just chalk it up to genetics, but I'm definitely no expert.


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Invisiblemrbart4444
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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Karmikal]
    #22040631 - 08/04/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Theres no real way for me to answer that from here. Still alot of mushrooms man do some more trays or post the next one when its done and compare was the second tray from the same spawn?


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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22040640 - 08/04/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, that's 2-0 for genetics.  I hope its genetics because the environmental conditions were (I thought) dialed in.  Thanks again for the replies - there is a second tray that is showing the same size fruits.  Spawn was inoculated from the same syringe for both trays.  Wouldn't each inoculated spawn jar have a significantly different set of traits once consolidated or would one expect similar traits for all inoculated spawn from the same syringe?


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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22040646 - 08/04/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

to clarify, spores were from the same syringe but different spawn jars were used for each tray


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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Karmikal]
    #22040676 - 08/04/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The fruits are healthy,  its not conditions. A dense pinset will need a deeper sub to support. Either that or supply more water.


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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22040742 - 08/04/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Pastywhite.  Substrate depth is between 3 and 4 inches.  More water makes sens to me now since it seems that these smaller fruit hold less water than I expected.  Cracker dry yield was 37g!  More than I have ever gotten from a shoe box and I have done quite a few of these in the past but all with different strains.  I was expecting half of that yield or less.  Small fruits - bring it on!

Thanks to all for being so helpful!  I understand the hobby a little better now because of it, and that means a lot to me :thumbup:


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InvisibleDr.Satan
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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Karmikal]
    #22040778 - 08/04/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Karmikal said:
Thanks Pastywhite.  Substrate depth is between 3 and 4 inches.  More water makes sens to me now since it seems that these smaller fruit hold less water than I expected.  Cracker dry yield was 37g!  More than I have ever gotten from a shoe box and I have done quite a few of these in the past but all with different strains.  I was expecting half of that yield or less.  Small fruits - bring it on!

Thanks to all for being so helpful!  I understand the hobby a little better now because of it, and that means a lot to me :thumbup:



They say the smaller fruits are more potent anyways, one of my harvests last night was all small fruits as well so I hope to find that they really are more potent for myself soon enough! Happy tripping :hippie:


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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22040787 - 08/04/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr.Satan said:They say the smaller fruits are more potent anyways




I was just thinking that myself...  Soon I will know :wink:


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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: Karmikal]
    #22040793 - 08/04/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Karmikal said:
To preface, this is not my first rodeo but it has been 7 years or so since my previous cultivation.  I have also found various threads detailing various reasons for smaller fruits and have narrowed this down to either genetics or an over-wet substrate/lack of fae.  Perhaps someone with more experience than I can offer a more enlightened guess.




First flush fruits will often be small but numerous. Later flushes will produce fewer, bigger fruits.


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Re: Smaller than expected fruits... Why? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22040833 - 08/04/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I do expect larger fruits in the remaining flushes and also less total yield by weight.  I was not really concerned with size as much as weight since weight is the dosing metric.  I suppose I just assumed that these being so much smaller than I had seen previously even for a first flush meant less total weight.  It seems I was wrong :undecided:


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