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it's dunk & roll necessary?
    #22039251 - 08/03/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so I am working with brown rice flour cakes at the moment because I got a lot of vermiculite and brown rice flour free :-),I have only used grains in the past and feel I am fairly knowledgeable when it comes to Casing. But when it comes to pf cakes I am I guess what you would call a noob lol. My question is when I birth my cakes do I have to dunk and roll them or can i just rinse them off and throw them in the shotgun fruiting chamber. Is the shotgun fruiting chamber the only / best way to go for cakes? Also I have 1 quart jar with brown rice flour that is completely colonized but obviously does not have a wide mouth to it so it won't slide out like a cake, Should I break it up in the jar & case with coconut coir and vermiculite (can I just put casing(s)in the sgfc if that's the best way to go) Just as I used to do with grain? Any input or answers of any kind would be very very very greatly appreciated as always, thanks

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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22039277 - 08/03/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

dunk and roll all the way! cakes are made on the dry side and the roll gives a great micro climate, as for your qt jar i would toss some coir or casing material in the jar and just fruit it right out of the jar, yes everyone will say a sgfc for cakes


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22039284 - 08/03/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you dont "have to" but really should do it!

you can use them as spawn to bulk or just fruit as cakes, your choice :shrug:
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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22039311 - 08/03/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you plan on expanding your cakes to bulk, use a cheese grater to break them up, you'll get faster colonization!! :goodluck:


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22040799 - 08/04/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok ... I'll dunk and roll...I'm just afraid of getting contams while it id's "dunking"  how do u guys do it? Distilled water? Also, I have the fc...but no drill, anyone with suggestions on how to get the holes in there? Hot nail?.. thx again,

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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22040872 - 08/04/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok ... I'll dunk and roll...I'm just afraid of getting contams while it id's "dunking"  how do u guys do it? Distilled water? Also, I have the fc...but no drill, anyone with suggestions on how to get the holes in there? Hot nail?.. thx again,

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I just soak mine in regular tap water for the 24 hours. Just make sure to put something on top of them to keep them fully submerged under the water. You will not get any contam's from the dunk unless you dunk it for a ridiculous amount of time, and even then it's still possible to not have any contamination. Just make sure you rinse them off in the sink before dropping them in the soaking container and once they have soaked for 24 hours rinse them off again to wash off any bacteria that might have got on them during the dunk then proceed to roll.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22042381 - 08/04/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok ... I'll dunk and roll...I'm just afraid of getting contams while it id's "dunking"  how do u guys do it? Distilled water? Also, I have the fc...but no drill, anyone with suggestions on how to get the holes in there? Hot nail?.. thx again,

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rinse the cakes before and after the dunk. it can get a bit slimey sometimes, especially in warmer temps.

I'd say borrow a drill or heat up something, yeah.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22042401 - 08/04/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you guys so so much, so if I were to take let say my pressure cooker and sterilize the inside of it dropped the cake in distilled water, then put a sterile plate over it it wouldnt crack or hurt the cake in any way right? Sorry just nervous about messing them up at this point. And after I roll them in the dry vermiculite, do i do anything other than throw them in the fruiting chamber? And what is the best to keep that cake on aluminum foil? Jar lid? Inform me, cuz I know that stuff changes so fast, it is hard to keep up with sometimes lol.

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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22042447 - 08/04/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol, you're way overthinking this,
once the cake is 100% colonized you dont need to be "sterile", nor do I think you have the equipment to keep things sterile.

just fill a bucket with water and pop the cakes in it.

alu foil is still good to use, we basically still advice people to follow www.mushroomvideos.com RR has 4 free pf-tek vids there..

roll in dry verm, place in chamber, wait cpl hrs so verm can stick to cakes and then mist until verm glistens! :super:

mist again when cakes are no longer glistening. keep doing this and you'll have great looking mushrooms.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: cronicr]
    #22046037 - 08/05/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One more question for u guys (Ty so so much for everyone's reply btw) so I have the colonized quart jar with full colonization...it won't slide out like a cake


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dunk and roll all the way! cakes are made on the dry side and the roll gives a great micro climate, as for your qt jar i would toss some coir or casing material in the jar and just fruit it right out of the jar, yes everyone will say a sgfc for cakes




I sterilized an eyeballed mix of coir/Verm last night..to case in jar do I just put a light layer of casIng material on top of cake, seal back up for 2/3 days (let it slightly colonize cashing layer),  then put in fruiting conditions?  I don't think I could have ever grown a single anything if it weren't for u guys being so awesome :-)

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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22046240 - 08/05/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're gonna try to fruit from a colonized quart jar(I'm assuming grains?) Why not just break up the grains (use a bike tire or similar surface) and mix it with the coir/verm in a mini mono or something. You'll yield a LOT more.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22046321 - 08/05/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: you can even use grass clippings. I know pastywhyte has


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22046324 - 08/05/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You're gonna try to fruit from a colonized quart jar(I'm assuming grains?) Why not just break up the grains (use a bike tire or similar surface) and mix it with the coir/verm in a mini mono or something. You'll yield a LOT more.




It's brf, and that's what I was thinking, but..someone suggested to fruit straight from jar... So u guys think a brf cake will break up inside the jar if I use like a rolled up a phone book(Not sure if I can actually find one of those, who needs a phone book nowadays.. lol) If you have any other suggestions on what to use let me know, and let me know if any of you have tried it and how successful it was?


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22046338 - 08/05/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Heh you're going to destroy the jar before breaking a brf cake. Yeah case and fruit is probably best.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22046347 - 08/05/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You're gonna try to fruit from a colonized quart jar(I'm assuming grains?) Why not just break up the grains (use a bike tire or similar surface) and mix it with the coir/verm in a mini mono or something. You'll yield a LOT more.




It's brf, and that's what I was thinking, but..someone suggested to fruit straight from jar... So u guys think a brf cake will break up inside the jar if I use like a rolled up a phone book(Not sure if I can actually find one of those, who needs a phone book nowadays.. lol) If you have any other suggestions on what to use let me know, and let me know if any of you have tried it and how successful it was?



Hmm that seems tricky. I've never fruited a cake inside the jar before, but I've seen people have success with it. But, if you can get it out of the jar(never use a hard surface or it'll break), use a cheese grater to break it up into even smaller pieces and then mix with your bulk sub of choice. :rockon:


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22047033 - 08/05/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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One more question for u guys (Ty so so much for everyone's reply btw) so I have the colonized quart jar with full colonization...it won't slide out like a cake


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dunk and roll all the way! cakes are made on the dry side and the roll gives a great micro climate, as for your qt jar i would toss some coir or casing material in the jar and just fruit it right out of the jar, yes everyone will say a sgfc for cakes




I sterilized an eyeballed mix of coir/Verm last night..to case in jar do I just put a light layer of casIng material on top of cake, seal back up for 2/3 days (let it slightly colonize cashing layer),  then put in fruiting conditions?  I don't think I could have ever grown a single anything if it weren't for u guys being so awesome :-)

Thx,
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just pour some coir/verm on top of the jar and fruit!


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22047119 - 08/05/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One of my recent batches I dunked/rolled half and left the others as is. The naked cakes bruised a lot from drying, took longer to pin/fruit, and had a smaller yield overall. Don't skip the dunk and roll. Bake the verm if you are worried about contams.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: bluegill]
    #22047166 - 08/05/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the coir/verm on top is casing. i'm saying dont take them out of the jar.


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    #22047183 - 08/05/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22052218 - 08/06/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How do u go about sterilizing verm in oven? How many degrees/how long?  I couldn't just take something break the cake up in the jar, then case like grains?

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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22052255 - 08/06/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How do u go about sterilizing verm in oven? How many degrees/how long?  I couldn't just take something break the cake up in the jar, then case like grains?

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If you're gonna break up the cake in the jar, then you might as well mix it in a separate mini mono with your prepared coir/verm. It will work the same as broken up grains, just give it time to colonize. Your yield will be a LOT higher as well.

Also, I've heard people having no contam issues using verm right out of the bag, just sprinkle a thin layer across the top.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22052399 - 08/06/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How do u go about sterilizing verm in oven? How many degrees/how long?  I couldn't just take something break the cake up in the jar, then case like grains?

Ganjaburger



If you're gonna break up the cake in the jar, then you might as well mix it in a separate mini mono with your prepared coir/verm. It will work the same as broken up grains, just give it time to colonize. Your yield will be a LOT higher as well.

Also, I've heard people having no contam issues using verm right out of the bag, just sprinkle a thin layer across the top.






Thank you guys so much for all of the info, I do not know what I would do without that Shroomery :-) What would you guys do if you were in my position? Not to beat a dead horse but I have all of the materials ready and am going to do one thing or another today for sure!  Oh yeah..Not that it matters all that much with cubensis, but strain is Hawaiian And I am going for largest yield :-)


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22052879 - 08/06/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

?... What would any of u guys do in my situation? If ur main objective was high yield??


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22052886 - 08/06/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dunk for 24 hours, crumble using a cheese grater to bulk trays.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22052890 - 08/06/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

spawn cakes to coir in mini mono tub.
add a casing layer if you wanna. can just be simple coir+verm.


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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22052919 - 08/06/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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add a casing layer. can just be simple coir+verm.



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    #22053289 - 08/06/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So just so I feel comfortable when I am doing this and think I am NOT messing anything up. Do I need to dunk if I am going to spawn that cakes to bulk? Also Is it necessary to Junk at all if it is getting case or getting spond to bulk?And let's say I add the cake to go look, if you I let it colonize again, and then add the casing or do all of the steps mentioned at one time? Sorry for all the questions, I know that. The search function I probably could find them but I much rather have input from you. I am just random threads

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Re: it's dunk & roll necessary? [Re: Ganjaburger]
    #22053348 - 08/06/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So just so I feel comfortable when I am doing this and think I am NOT messing anything up. Do I need to dunk if I am going to spawn that cakes to bulk?



Yes, it would provide more moisture for your bulk substrate and colonization will be faster. It's the same concept as dunking your grains. Go for it!! :super:


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    #22053682 - 08/06/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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