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The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday.
#22038792 - 08/03/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Length of the campaign: 78 days (Longest in recent history if not ever)
Parties:
- Conservative Party of Canada (CPC) - Liberal Party of Canada (LPC) - New Democratic Party (NDP) - Bloc Québecois (BC, The Block) - Green Party
Political stance:
CPC: The right wing LPC: Center (I guess, unsure at this point) NDP: Left Wing, most socialist Bloc: Left wing, mostly to promote Quebec and steal seats form the major parties Green: I'm gonna assume left, then again, other than the environment, I know nothing about them
Leaders:
Conservatives: Stephen Harper (Incumbent Prime Minister of Canada)

Liberals: Justin Trudeau

NDP: Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition)

Bloc: Gilles Duceppe

Green: Elizabeth May

Current issues:
- Health Care - Economy - Marijuana - National daycare - International politics - The normal stuff really.
Recent Polls:
- The Liberals were surging a year ago due to Trudeau's popularity, now it has fallen down to third place due to his lack of substance and experience
- The NDP have been on a constant rise, threatning to take the government away from the government
- The conservative are on a constant decline but recently surged back to #1 with recent family policies and give aways.
My predictions:
- Guaranteed minority government. The vote is split in three and every voter is very loyal to their own parties.
- Either the Conservtives keep government with a mnority or the NDP takes it frst the fist time in history (again minority)
My personal choice::
- For a Canadian, I am a solid right winger. So the Conservatives are always my first choice unless they have a shitty leader. This year however, I am willing to let my personal conviction go for the good of the country. I understand that Canada has been built with a balance of right wing and left wing governments and I am fully aware that we are straying a bit too far right. Therefore, I am willing to drop my beliefs and vote NDP. That is, only if they give me one reason to vote for them. One minor reason. Anything I can possibly relate too. If they can do that, I'm voting for them. Otherwise, if they really can't build the tiniest bridge between their socialist ideal and my conservative beliefs, I will be forced to follow my heart and vote Conservative again. Here's a mental image as to where I stand, I am letting myself be seduced by the NDP and I am willing to walk the 100 feet gap on a tight rope made of dental floss.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22038802 - 08/03/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Harper looks fucked
Trudeau looks too nationalist french to be trusted
Muclair looks like a nice guy, I think you should vote for him
Last guy is way too nationalist french to be trusted
And face it - aint no one voting for that bitch
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: twighead]
#22038957 - 08/03/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am willing to vote for him, but he's gonna have to give me something
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal] 1
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all horrible candidates.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22039016 - 08/03/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Didn't Harper call for early elections because he is pretty sure he will win?
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal] 1
#22039044 - 08/03/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Harper is a tyrant. I get angry just looking at the picture of him that you posted.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: pslyke]
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Thanks Patlol
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Didn't Harper call for early elections because he is pretty sure he will win?
He declared the elections early because his party is the only one who can finance a 78 day campaign
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Anahata]
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Canada has a Prime minister...
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22039634 - 08/03/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: My personal choice::
- For a Canadian, I am a solid right winger.
Can you explain what that means? Because in America a right winger is:
- a Young Earth Creationist, first and foremost
- wants zygotes (fertilized eggs) to have rights and parents not be allowed to terminate their pregnancy in early stages if they already have 15 kids, are super poor, are teenagers, or are not ready for kids
- wants taxes really low for millionaires and billionares and to make it extremely difficult or impossible for poor people (leeches) to get help with housing, food, and income
- wants health care to be a for profit industry run by profit seekers that deny children with cancer health care
- want to take away disability, unemployment, and social security insurance (things that the sick, jobless, and elderly rely on to not be homeless)
- thinks gay people are disgusting freaks that are going to hell
- want mentally ill pyschopaths to be able to buy guns
- think global warming is a hoax
- think higher education is a liberal indoctrination system
- think CERN is the modern day equivalent of the Tower of Babel from the bible
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Confucian]
#22039793 - 08/03/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Confucian said:
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Patlal said: My personal choice::
- For a Canadian, I am a solid right winger.
Can you explain what that means? Because in America a right winger is:
- a Young Earth Creationist, first and foremost
- wants zygotes (fertilized eggs) to have rights and parents not be allowed to terminate their pregnancy in early stages if they already have 15 kids, are super poor, are teenagers, or are not ready for kids
- wants taxes really low for millionaires and billionares and to make it extremely difficult or impossible for poor people (leeches) to get help with housing, food, and income
- wants health care to be a for profit industry run by profit seekers that deny children with cancer health care
- want to take away disability, unemployment, and social security insurance (things that the sick, jobless, and elderly rely on to not be homeless)
- thinks gay people are disgusting freaks that are going to hell
- want mentally ill pyschopaths to be able to buy guns
- think global warming is a hoax
- think higher education is a liberal indoctrination system
- think CERN is the modern day equivalent of the Tower of Babel from the bible
Well, the Conservatives in their term in office have made efforts to muzzle scientists on matters of climate change.
Have rolled back Canada's medical marijuana system so that they could re-write it into a system that allows big pharma to profit off it while banning patients from the right to produce their own medicine -- making it very difficult for chronically ill patients to access their prescriptions, as cannabis was given special provisions to ensure that the government would not have to pay coverage on it as they do with other prescriptions.
They are also big into oil money in Alberta and anything that benefits the upper class.
So perhaps not quite as far right, just far enough to line their pockets mostly.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Confucian] 2
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Patlal said: My personal choice::
- For a Canadian, I am a solid right winger.
Can you explain what that means?
I understand the confusion. But let me explain what a right winger in Canada is:
- Low corporate taxes because we understand that we have to compete globally and we want to attract businesses here in order to get jobs. - Low-ish income taxes. We want to keep our money in our pockets, but we understand that the public services have to paid for and you are not taking anything away from the healthcare system.
- We understand that the environment is somewhat in danger but we also understand that Canada is 99.9999% wilderness and that until China and the US does something about it, it is a waste of effort given our small global impact.
- Oil. Dig that shit up. Build pipelines, Ship it out. Profit.
- We want to develop the North because we are fully aware of the massive amounts of resources to be exploited up there. Thing is, we need people living there if we want to extract it, therefore we have to build the infrastructure needed to support the potential population and corporations
- Fuck religion. Nobody gives a shit. You will never see a Canadian politician talk about god or religion unless if it is to defend that all of them are equally right. But none of them will use religion to attract voters, ever, no matter the party
- International free trade agreements. Lots and lots of them. We are an exporting country, we need buyers. We need free trade. It has to be fair on the import side of it because we do import a little too, but when it comes to our products going to the other country, it has to be crystal clear.
- Families. Personally I don't give a shit, but a right winger is all for child care and monthly allowances to help families that are struggling to make ends meet. It sound like a socialist value, but the cheque we send out to them, once they cash it, they can spend the money on whatever they choose. We do not dictate where they spend the money (not every parent is a degenerate gambler that will waste that cash BTW)
- Infrastructure. If we are gonna invest billions of public funds into a government program, we want to see the investment and be able to touch it and physically use it every day. So it's gonna be infrastructure
- Entrepreneurship all the way. Tax deductions, grants, eliminating red tape, speeding up the process at which and entrepreneur will be successful. Anything that will help a future job creator succeed is right in our ballpark.
That sums up the general guidelines you have to believe in if you want to call yourself a conservative in this country. Of course there's the minor shit that cost under 20 million per item, which is discretionary/whoever makes the best pitch or whatever is in the subject du jour.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
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Does that make sense?
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22041229 - 08/04/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds pretty dystopian
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: twighead] 2
#22041262 - 08/04/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm voting for Mulcair. They picked Trudeau for all the wrong reasons and Harper needs to go. Green party is slightly less of a joke than BC. We need a man with a beard.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: twighead]
#22041285 - 08/04/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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twighead said: Sounds pretty dystopian
Reality isn't utopia.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#22041287 - 08/04/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: I'm voting for Mulcair. They picked Trudeau for all the wrong reasons and Harper needs to go. Green party is slightly less of a joke than BC. We need a man with a beard.
Yeah. I just might go for Mulcair too. I'm curious to see what an NDP government looks like.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22041780 - 08/04/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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twighead said: Sounds pretty dystopian
Reality isn't utopia.
Yes it is! Your bad for fooling yourself though
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: twighead]
#22041820 - 08/04/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Id add Elizabith May to your facebook, she is a hell of a leader, and her idealizations are spot on for the most part as mine. Shes got quite the intelligence! I really suggest hearing her out. Its just unfortunate in our side of the country the green party doesnt amount too highly.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22041910 - 08/04/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: I'm voting for Mulcair. They picked Trudeau for all the wrong reasons and Harper needs to go. Green party is slightly less of a joke than BC. We need a man with a beard.
Yeah. I just might go for Mulcair too. I'm curious to see what an NDP government looks like.
Curious to see what NDP can do at the Federal level, but a little leary because I grew up in Saskatchewan which had NDP leadership for quite some time before Alberta's recent election of them.
Good social support systems (disability in Saskatchewan paid me more than any other province, and had more and better-trained staff on hand for dealing with all sorts of health issues), but the roads and highways are probably the worst in the country. Also oil money and mining operations jumped ship out of Saskatchewan into Alberta due to the government regulations on their businesses. Have friends family that moved to Alberta from Saskatchewan years back; many are still not yet comfortable with the recent provincial election results -- expressing concerns that within a year from now their jobs will be gone.
Just as long as we have a minority government whatever the result is, we should at least be alright. There's no real good option though -- even a bunch of the support for Liberals shifted to the NDP due to the NDP becoming a "less worse" option back when they voted against the anti-terrorism bill but the Liberals helped push it through.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22042237 - 08/04/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm voting NDP
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: deff] 2
#22042295 - 08/04/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going with NDP too. Harper has to go and I want to give the NDP to show what they can do federally. They've never had the chance. Conservatives have been selling off the country to foreigners and doing a piss poor job of representing Canada on an environmental level. FUCK HARPER IN THE GOAT ASS
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: deff]
#22042303 - 08/04/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I usually vote NDP, but I'll probably go with a strategic Liberal vote this time. The NDP isn't at all likely to win in my riding, but the Liberals have a good shot at taking back the seat from the Conservatives.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: psi]
#22042334 - 08/04/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Libs win in BC too but they have been a joke recently... time for a change, just like Alberta
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: JohnnieYen]
#22042371 - 08/04/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only Conservative Canadian on this entire message board?
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal] 1
#22042579 - 08/04/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only Conservative Canadian on this entire message board?
Willing to support Conservatives at the provincial level in some areas I have lived, but have no love for the gong show Harper's team have been performing at the national level.
Would vote Bloc in this election, but they don't run candidates outside of Québec.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22042760 - 08/04/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only Conservative Canadian on this entire message board?
You're a conservative?
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22042962 - 08/04/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only Conservative Canadian on this entire message board?
You're a conservative?
The Conservatives aren't all bad; they even made efforts to turn back prior legislation on gun control that the Liberals had introduced in the 90s -- they managed to get rid of a portion of the gun registry and even filed to have the previous records of the registry destroyed.
Wait, Patlal is one of us gun-toting Canadians, right?
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
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Most Canadians don't own guns. What country do you live in?
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22043106 - 08/04/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Harper seems like GWBlite
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: larry.fisherman]
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XLCaps said: Most Canadians don't own guns. What country do you live in?
Currently in one of the prairie provinces, but I move around.
Most Canadians do live in the major cities though, that is accurate -- there are more people in Toronto than in the provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan combined.
Harper developed his career as an Alberta MP though, it's not surprising that he would pass a bill that good-ole prairie boys could approve of.
Know that Pat is not against gun control though, was just poking a little fun because different parts of party platforms appeal to different types of people.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
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Yeah ok, I could see how you could know people with guns in the praries. In all honesty, it's a pretty rare few that I meet that actually own firearms.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Patlal said: Why do I get the feeling that I'm the only Conservative Canadian on this entire message board?
You're a conservative?
Yes, the smart Canadian kind. Not the retarded American kind. When you're shining the barrel of your gun reciting the bible to yourself, you've gone too far.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22043206 - 08/04/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm an atheirst but I do appreciate a shiny barrel
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I'm an atheirst but I do appreciate a shiny barrel
That I can respect.
Unless of course; - you are convinced that you actually need that gun to prevent psycho gunmen with guns from gunning down your family. - you are convinced that without guns, only criminals have guns - you defend gun violence with the spoon making you obese analogy and somehow believe it to be a logical argument
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
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I don't even lock my door If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. I live in NY. Getting a pistol permit is a nightmare. I've never even tried. I just have long guns
I have no fucking idea what that last one was about.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I don't even lock my door If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. I live in NY. Getting a pistol permit is a nightmare. I've never even tried. I just have long guns
I have no fucking idea what that last one was about.
Well in that case you are a moderate Conservative that have managed not to stray too far right to lose all sense of logic.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: larry.fisherman]
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XLCaps said: Yeah ok, I could see how you could know people with guns in the praries. In all honesty, it's a pretty rare few that I meet that actually own firearms.
Yeah, it is definitely an area thing. When I was living in Montréal and attending University, no one I knew of in the city owned firearms or had even been hunting. By contrast, I learned firearm safety and went out on hunting trips before the age of 10. I worry more about bears, coyotes, and mountain lions getting at the animals than I do about invaders breaking into my property.
Even then, the Conservatives were only really able to repeal the law as it pertained to hunting rifles and shotguns -- the handguns and tactical rifle registration still stands untouched, and they are more for collector's sake than anything, since only people specially authorized by the government (usually due to matters such as working in remote and high-risk areas) are allowed to take them out of their house without a lockbox. A lockbox can transport a gun to a licensed shooting range for any target enthusiasts if my comprehension is correct. We also still have special tests that have to be passed related to gun and hunting safety before qualifying for ownership.
Honestly, for things like target practice I prefer archery.
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I have no fucking idea what that last one was about.
Well in that case you are a moderate Conservative that have managed not to stray too far right to lose all sense of logic.
I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal who believes guns are not the problem. Assholes are.
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Do you know why a gun a registry in Canada is completely useless? Here's why:
- We live next to the US where acquiring a gun illegally happens 1000 times per day - When crossing into Canada, the border guy is sitting in his booth, you give him your passport, he looks at you then says welcome to Canada.
I would be comfortable smugglin in a corpse covered in cocaine because they don't check.
Despite how incredibly easy it is for anyone to bring back guns in Canada, we don't have a problem with it. So when the biggest source for a potential problem isn't a problem, why pick on farmers with rifles?
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Patlal said: Do you know why a gun a registry in Canada is completely useless? Here's why:
- We live next to the US where acquiring a gun illegally happens 1000 times per day - When crossing into Canada, the border guy is sitting in his booth, you give him your passport, he looks at you then says welcome to Canada.
I would be comfortable smugglin in a corpse covered in cocaine because they don't check.
Despite how incredibly easy it is for anyone to bring back guns in Canada, we don't have a problem with it. So when the biggest source for a potential problem isn't a problem, why pick on farmers with rifles?
Honestly, some of the border crossings are even more lax than that.
There is a small town along the Saskatchewan/North Dakota border (there is a Canadian side and an American side to the town, but they are under different names) where the golf course literally includes a hole that involves hitting the ball over a dirt highway from the Canadian side into the American side.
Aside from that town, vast fields -- grew up walking back and forth across the border in my youngest years, because all the stores and restaurants were on the American side. Then the exchange rate got bad, and a half hour on the highway for grocery runs made more sense than trying to buy it in the US, and we eventually moved away.
Apparently, much of the Saskatchewan-US border was trafficked by Al Capone's gang for the purposes of rum-running. There are still smuggling tunnels from the era under the streets of places like Moose Jaw.
The border has a history of smuggling that just keeps on going.
Can agree with the sentiment regarding farmers and gun ownership in Canada in general -- the people here who have guns do not cause problems with those guns.
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The Canada-US border is pretty much an annoyingly long red light when you think of it...
For years I've been preaching that the border should be open. I slows down all the import and exports and ends up costing billion to companies, billions to taxpayers who have to pay the guards and build the infrastructure.
I'm not saying that the border is a joke though. It is needed. I say lets try randomly selecting 1 car out of 2 to begin with. Try that for a year and see what happens. It would speed up the traffic, piss less people off and be cheaper for everyone. Why not try that instead of having a fully fund border that only checks your passport and tells you to go through...
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searching 50% of the vehicles will not speed things up.
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Ok sorry, let me be clearer.
Make a lane for those who have been selected and a lane for the ones who can go right away.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
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Three hours of leader debate.
May be too long to sit through for some.
Just wrapped up the first 20 minutes on economy debate.
28 minutes in shows 50% of support being directed at Mulclair. He does a good job at keeping a level head in the debate so far. He provides nice analysis of Harper's time in office, without it feeling as much like a heated personal argument as the exchanges between Harper and Trudeau seem to.
Trudeau showing up second is a little surprising to me, but it may tie to the approach he seems to be taking. Get the sense his is mostly giving up on trying to sway NDP voters back to Liberal, and is instead trying to find an approach that can get him a portion of Harper's votes -- the view I am getting of the Liberal platform at present seems to be something in line of offering representation to those who Mulclair's plan will punish, while still offering a social view that appeals to lower to middle class Canadians.
May seems informed on the issues, but it is difficult for me to consider the Greens to be real contenders in my area. Have no objections to seeing her elected in her riding though.
Harper seems to be spending a lot of time being shifty, but maybe that is my bias. There are points from the other leaders regarding how the Conservatives try to cover up or skew numbers in their favour, and referencing how outside analysts hold a comparatively pessimistic view of the situation. Meanwhile, Harper counters those by spitting out numbers from various Canadian organizations -- all well and good, but feel leery when people are presenting him with outside numbers and his response is basically "yeah but the numbers we drafted up ourselves look good in my opinion." Would like to see Harper offering solutions rather than being told he's on a leaky boat and responding that it's not leaking that badly.

Moving into the portion on energy and environment now.
At present, still debating between casting my vote for Liberal or Conservative -- like Mulclair, just do not like majority governments in general. Prefer if whoever is in power has their hands largely shackled by the other parties; since NDP does seem to be presenting rather strongly, do not think they really need my vote to land as a minority government. Just a matter of figuring who provides a better accent and outside voice to the NDP plans. Liberal still seems most likely, the Conservatives over the past years have not left me all that pleased.
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I am trying to figure out which end of the chopstick I'd rather stick in my eye
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zappaisgod said: I am trying to figure out which end of the chopstick I'd rather stick in my eye
That seems an apt comparison. 
Going to have to hold my nose and vote for someone though. Likely to come down to what seems most strategic for my area's seat.
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I watched an hour then I shifted towards Trump.
What I gathered is that Elizabeth May is the smartest of the bunch. Unfortunitely she's running for a party that will never be elected...
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These debates are all circuses. If you have a position put it om paper so I can read it. TV debates are a problem, not a solution.
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It's like the WWE. It's entertaining
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zappaisgod said: These debates are all circuses. If you have a position put it om paper so I can read it. TV debates are a problem, not a solution.
Can agree with this sentiment.
Comparing this year's elections to our last elections or the one before it, the bent towards video media is quite the pain.
It used to be relatively simple to click onto any given party website and have a direct link to their platform for the election. Visiting party sites this year, they are excessively flash-driven with all sorts of links to watch youtube versions of their tv ads in order to try and glean out their sentiments.
The debate is basically like watching the broadcasts of debates between the leaders within parliament, except in that scenario they are less consciously focused on trying to sell themselves to the population.
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Several smoke breaks later, managed to make it through the damn thing. Fortunately it was only the first 2 hours, guess the third was a post-show.
Want to say that I was going to give the Conservatives a chance to win my vote over, but really the whole thing reinforced how much I feel we're due for a change. 
Part of me wants to vote NDP just to see what they can do at the national level, but still have concerns about whatever is on their backpages if they were to gain a majority and be able to push more legislation through than what they are campaigning on. What they are offering is solid, and I know that they at least want to move away from the mandatory minimums to decriminalization for cannabis, even though they do not plan to go so far as the Liberal's plan to follow in the legalizing states footsteps.
May was the only one I really felt like I could take seriously through the whole debate, but perhaps that was because she stands no chance of becoming Prime Minister so she seemed somewhat more focused on the issues than on a "what I'm going to do when I'm in charge" mentality.
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I would never vote her. She presented a 9-11 truther petition to parliament. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/elizabeth-may-presents-9-11-truther-petition-to-parliament-1.2133362
I could never vote for anyone who wants to encourage the mentally ill in their delusions no matter how cool or hip it may seem. A 9-11 truther as prime minister? I would move out of this frozen shithole forever
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Alright. Here's a comprehensive campaign promise overview
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Was wondering about how Mulcair's plans for childcare were set to work, so ended up pulling this up. Not sure how many Shroomerites this impacts, but it was part of their platform that had me interested as to how they plan to set it up.
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NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has made $15 a day child care a central plank of his party’s election platform
He talked to Jordan Press about why he feels it makes economic sense to do it and why the program is of personal interest to him.
Q: When you pledged a national child care program in the fall, federal finances looked rosier than now. Tell me why a national day care program still makes sense.
A: It is an economic proposal. The Quebec system, 70,000 women were able to go back to work, more money actually flowed back into government coffers than what it cost. There are going to be people there who will (say), ‘government programs (are) a thing of the past; we can’t do this stuff anymore.’ That type of argument could just as easily have been used against health care, but nobody would question it today as being good socially and economically.
Q: Economist Pierre Fortin, who studied the economic effects of the Quebec system, told a child care conference last year that even if advocates for a universal child care system can show “actual financial benefits (it) does not mean it is a good program.” How do you ensure that quality remains central to the system when negotiating deals with provinces?
A: The same way you negotiate quality with regard to health care: You discuss what the obligation or result is, and then you get to that.
When we talk about quality child care, we are talking about early childhood education that will give kids a leg up. It will give them a boost in their life, it will prepare them for school, prepare them better for kindergarten, and make them better able to get along in society.
Q: Gordon Cleveland, a child care economist at the University of Toronto, said, “pouring tons and tons of money into the system (means) there is going to be strong pressure upwards” on costs. How do you keep a lid on those pressures?
A: We’ve given a full costing of the system that’s based on experience and we would make sure that that’s the way it worked out. The deal (with provinces) would be predicated on being able to deliver quality spaces at that price.
Q: What’s the role of for-profit day care centres in the NDP plan?
A: We had two boys. (Both are now in their 30s.) Greg went to a child care where we lived in Montreal. It was private. The owner contacted me when this system in Quebec was brought in. Her name was Sharon. She said, ‘I’ve built this business, I’m a reliable partner, we’re doing this at rates comparable to anybody else, I can make a profit if I access the funds.’ The Sharons of this world should be reassured we’re going to make sure they’re included. If there’s a big box that owns 100 child cares and thinks they can turn a huge profit, that’s not the type of business we’ll be looking to be part of this plan. Related
The child care conundrum Part 1: Will a universal system pay off?
Q: What do you expect will be the demand for the one million spaces nationwide, given the demand for spaces in Quebec?
A: The million spaces, compared to what we have in Canada today, should suffice for demand, but it might increase demand. A lot of young couples today are hesitating to start a family because they’re finishing university with the largest student debt in Canadian history, the cost of child care is through the roof, and even if you want to buy a house in a lot of our biggest cities, you’re an hour and a half commute away from the city. Making ($15 a day child care) available is going to have a positive effect. Nothing would make me happier than to see we would have to add to the program.
Q: Where do you find the money to cover the ramp up in spending over eight years towards $5 billion? Raise the GST? Raise corporate tax rates? Eliminate income splitting?
A: We’re categorically opposed to increasing the GST: It’s a very regressive tax, hits the poor the hardest, so that’s not on the table. We’re going to raise corporate taxes closer to the G7 average. We will scrap the ridiculous income splitting scheme of Stephen Harper that takes billions of dollars from the middle class and gives it to the richest 15 per cent. Those are going to be a clash of 15s in 2015: He’s trying to help the richest 15 per cent, I’m trying to have $15 a day child care.
Q: Why is this so important to you, personally?
A: Catherine and I went through this. When Matt was born, it was, OK, where do we find a place for him? We finally found a place in a regulated day care and there were subsidies at the beginning and then the subsidies dried up because there was a new program, a new government, the thing shifted, it was not reliable, it was not long term. We moved to Montreal, we found a good place, again, but it was more expensive because it was private. What we’re trying to do is set a goal for ourselves, the goal is available, affordable quality child care, across the country. I don’t care how people come to that altar — some of them will come to it for economic reasons, some will come for fairness reasons.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/tom-mulcair-on-the-details-of-the-ndps-child-care-policy
The only part that still throws me a little bit in terms of lack of comprehension is the generation of jobs -- could be in error, but seem to recall Mulcair and May blasting Harper on the debates about how his claims to have created jobs was meaningless as the available jobs have been analyzed as being mostly low-paying part time jobs. Not clear on how many jobs will be opened by the new child-care facilities themselves, but otherwise it seems like the jobs that they're working so hard to give parents the time to work are not that great themselves.
If I were a parent, 15 dollar a day childcare would be appealing to me as any available jobs around here require a commute. Maybe my lack of comprehension is tied in with my lack of direct benefit from the system though. 
One of my only friends that this really impacts will likely be hit negatively by it -- she runs a small daycare out of her home so that other parents in her neighbourhood can work. She may have to find something new.
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child care is so expensive. I wouldn't be able to afford a house if I didn't have relatives willing to sit my kids for free. its upwards of 50-60$ a day per kid. One after school program with 45 min before school, pickup and watch them for 2 hours wanted 600 a week per kid. what a joke 15$ a day childcare will win a LOT of votes
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JohnnieYen said: child care is so expensive. I wouldn't be able to afford a house if I didn't have relatives willing to sit my kids for free. its upwards of 50-60$ a day per kid. One after school program with 45 min before school, pickup and watch them for 2 hours wanted 600 a week per kid. what a joke 15$ a day childcare will win a LOT of votes
Do not doubt that it will. As stated, am not a parent, but if I were I could see direct benefit of the system.
Just the economic factor is what has me confused -- he wants to make it less appealing for businesses to run in Canada while opening up more opportunity for people to work in the jobs he criticized. Seem to recall Harper being proud that the low business tax is what generated new jobs, then Mulcair and May pointed out that the jobs that were created were low quality. Would even those jobs stay if the business tax goes up, or would businesses start to look at running out of a different country again?
Seem to recall him mentioning the number "1 million" a few times during the debate -- not clear on if that means 1 million slots for children, or 1 million new childcare jobs. The latter would definitely provide additional incentive as an outside observer -- it provides more job opportunities to a number of people I went to school with who specialized in the Kindergarten and Early Childhood side of the Education degree, then found themselves hard-pressed to find jobs afterward. This could stand to alleviate that a lot at least.
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Liberals are not really offering much better for most families though, so unless they introduce something further to their platform they hold less benefit.
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The Liberals' proposed new child benefit will not be in lieu of a national child-care plan, but much like the promised monthly benefit, a universal child-care system under a Trudeau government would likely be geared to income.
"We're committed to making sure parents have affordable, quality early learning for their kids, there's no question about it," Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau told host Evan Solomon in an interview airing Saturday on CBC Radio's The House.
Trudeau plan taxes top 1% to cut taxes, boost benefits for middle class Analysis: Trudeau's plan for the middle class launches spin war
What might such a daycare program look like if the Liberals are elected this fall?
Trudeau is staying mum for now, promising to share more in the coming months, but he was clear it would be different from the NDP's pledge of a $15 a day national child-care plan.
"[NDP Leader Tom] Mulcair's solution will benefit families who are making an awful lot of money and quite frankly don't need subsidized child-care spaces," Trudeau said.
"I think there is a need for national leadership to make sure that early learning and child care happens, it's just that the actual model put forward by Mr. Mulcair benefits wealthy families as much as it benefits those who actually need it," he added.
A universal $15 a day child-care system is a major plank of the NDP campaign platform, which promises to create or maintain a million daycare spaces across Canada over an eight-year period.
The NDP will pay for the program by cancelling the Conservatives' parental income-splitting plan, a tax cut estimated to cost the government $2 billion a year, Mulcair said in an interview on The House April 25.
"We've costed this, we have more than enough to cover the program, we know what we're doing," the NDP leader said. "$15 a day is our starting point and we do believe it is sustainable." Tax hikes for the rich
Asking wealthier Canadians to contribute more — whether it's potentially for child-care spaces or through the Liberals' proposed tax bracket for those who earn over $200,000 — was the running theme for Trudeau in the interview with Solomon.
"Canada has always been there to help people who need it," he said.
"[Our plan] is completely in keeping with the values and fairness that is at the heart of this country. We're asking those who have done well to do a little more for the people who need it."
Trudeau also expanded upon his planned monthly child benefit, which would roll together and enrich two existing benefits that are geared to income — the Canada child tax benefit and the national child benefit supplement — into a single, more generous payment that would give families up to $6,400 annually for every child under six and up to $5,400 for children aged six to 17.
He is also promising to do away with the Conservative's universal child-care benefit, arguing it makes no sense for rich and poor families to receive the same amount of money.
"Our child benefit goes directly to the families who need it the most," he said, dismissing criticism his plan wouldn't do enough to help the working poor.
"We're giving $6,400 a year to any family with a family income under $30,000," he said, adding the benefit amount would be tied to family income and would gradually disappear at higher income levels.
Despite all three political parties' heavy pre-campaign courting of the middle class, Trudeau hinted his future platform announcements will be targeted towards helping other groups.
"We will have plenty more to say about students, seniors, low-income singles and a range of people in the coming weeks and months," he said.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-hints-at-national-child-care-plan-tied-to-income-1.3065235
Interesting to see Trudeau trying to level the criticism that Mulcair's plan provides too much benefit to the rich, and that the Liberals will instead be focusing on low-income parents. More just a way to say "we're putting something on the table, but we're applying it to as few as possible."
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I think it is a good idea. So many people have a spouse that just makes a little bit more than what child care costs. So they end up making an extra 500$ a month to not see their kid. At least with a subsidized program, that money can be used to have a better house, more options, more time with the kids.
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JohnnieYen said: I think it is a good idea. So many people have a spouse that just makes a little bit more than what child care costs. So they end up making an extra 500$ a month to not see their kid. At least with a subsidized program, that money can be used to have a better house, more options, more time with the kids.
DOWN WITH HARPER with him in charge we are just USA lite, just 1 calorie
Can see how that would benefit in terms of family togetherness, that is certainly a good factor to account for.
Suppose my view is skewed by my own upbringing -- was raised by a single mother who worked minimum wage with a full daily commute. Mom had a family friend babysitting until I was old enough to stay home alone after school.
Do not think that child care positions would have really helped much or been a viable option; but the Liberal offering is not much either. Kind of similar to your situation, I suppose -- prohibitive costs meant paid child care was not an option. Maybe for a kick, I should get in touch with Mom and ask her what she would have preferred when raising me. The Liberal option seems more likely to me though, since we were below the poverty line and in need of extra money (ie: tax-free supplement) rather than a different place for child care.
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Turn your banner into a half Canada flag half Québec flag and you'll have my vote.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zZZz]
#22080896 - 08/12/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: vote for me

Lool.
I will put America to sleep!!!
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22087526 - 08/13/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just got hit up by the Liberal mailing list regarding some additions to their platform.
Looks like while the NDP is looking to make blanket affordable child-care for anyone who can afford to put their child into a facility, the Liberals seem to be making more targeted changes.
In this particular instance, talking about pouring billions into education for First Nations.
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Today I committed to a renewed partnership with First Nations, so we can work together to close the persistent and unacceptable gap in education and economic opportunity for kids in First Nations communities. Because doing both is vital to our long-term economic growth.
There is no disagreement that First Nations students are falling further behind in core subjects like reading, writing, and numeracy.
Yep the Harper government doesn’t think this is a priority. They have slashed federal resources for First Nations, and over $1 billion in government funding – intended for Indigenous Peoples – has been allowed to lapse since 2009. You and I know who pays the price: First Nations kids and their communities.
We can’t delay action on this any longer. That’s why today I committed to closing the gap in funding for First Nations education, to building more schools, and supporting the enhancement, promotion and preservation of Indigenous languages and cultures, in partnership with First Nations communities. You can get all the details of our plan on RealChange.ca.
We believe in First Nations control of First Nations education, with the federal government working nation-to-nation as a partner to ensure the goals set by First Nations are achieved.
Canada can only succeed when we all succeed. That’s why our plan will deliver economic growth that works for everyone, including First Nations students and communities.
Article link took me to: http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/?cat=renewed-partnerships-for-a-stronger-canada
Wonder how hard parties will be competing for First Nations votes this year.
In other news, found a page relating more to the Liberal's child-care plans: http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/canada-child-benefit-plan/
The discrepancy appears rather small between the current Conservative funds and the added Liberal funs when comparing small families -- a single mother with a single kid only gets roughly 100 per month more than before. In contrast, a 2 parent family with 4 kids stands to get 650 more per month than at present.
Aside from that, their platform page is still a pain to navigate with a variety of buttons: http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/
Cut taxes for the middle-class; raise taxes on the top 1% of income earners; keep the business tax the same as Harper lowered it to, in order to prevent loss of existing jobs from the economy.
My area's seat is currently filled by a Conservative MP, and the Liberal candidate is looking to have the best chance of outing him at present -- might as well keep up to date on where my vote is likely going.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
#22087554 - 08/13/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm just saying but if the education system is lacking on the reserves it's because of population density and commuting for non-native teachers.
Reserves are great but to be honest it kind of shits up the whole deal for everyone else. It's a burden. Native privilige is bullshit.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22087657 - 08/13/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Natives need to start living in reality and start mingling as if they were regular people. This "were special because we were here first" shit is getting annoying. They live in the top 3 nation of the planet, they choose to be miserable on reserves away from the rest of the population trying to manage themselves as a whole while they are scattered everywhere in the country...
Either A: Fuck the reserves, get a job like everyone else and pay your taxes like everyone else
Or B: Push for a province that would encompasses all the reserves and have a centralized government in one of them. Sure the province would be scattered everywhere in the country, but at least they'll have they're own provincial laws to make up as they wish
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22087659 - 08/13/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22087716 - 08/13/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: I'm just saying but if the education system is lacking on the reserves it's because of population density and commuting for non-native teachers.
Reserves are great but to be honest it kind of shits up the whole deal for everyone else. It's a burden. Native privilige is bullshit.
With regards to this, one of the Liberal sub-pages might provide insight:
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We will also invest $500 million over the next three years for immediate First Nations education infrastructure. This funding is incremental to existing education infrastructure commitments already made to First Nations.
Unlike Stephen Harper, we will never act unilaterally on First Nations education. We believe in First Nations control of First Nations education, with the federal government working nation-to-nation as a partner to ensure the goals set by First Nations are achieved. We will also support First Nation-led initiatives with respect to jurisdiction over education.
Bolded/underlined seems to summarize the view that First Nations communities are being viewed as a separate (presumably lesser-developed?) nation that is set to receive assistance from Canada's government.
As for the general quality of life on reserves -- everyone I have known who grew up on a reserve talks about finding them to be deplorable and unappealing. 
Given the dissatisfaction that First Nations individuals have expressed with regards to the Conservatives though, can see why the Liberals might want to make early moves to capture votes that may presently be marked by little more than a "anything but Conservative" mentality.
Apparently, Trudeau announced the plans in Saskatoon. http://globalnews.ca/news/2164143/trudeau-pledges-millions-for-first-nations-education-during-saskatoon-stop/
Location is relevant. In terms of crime statistics, Saskatchewan is apparently up there with Manitoba for crime severity. Among the highest crime rates in Canada, and in a number of instances the highest south of the Territories. According to Wikipedia's gang demographic's page, Saskatchewan has a whopping 96% of it's gangs made up by First Nations individuals.
Perhaps more adequate education programs will facilitate more mobility in terms of finding gainful employment rather than perpetuating the cycle of poverty, no real clue though.
With NDP support showing so strongly from middle-class people, the Liberals targeting their early platform announcements at the lower-class and groups that deal with poverty seems to be quite planned though.
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