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Patlal
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
#22043330 - 08/04/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you know why a gun a registry in Canada is completely useless? Here's why:
- We live next to the US where acquiring a gun illegally happens 1000 times per day - When crossing into Canada, the border guy is sitting in his booth, you give him your passport, he looks at you then says welcome to Canada.
I would be comfortable smugglin in a corpse covered in cocaine because they don't check.
Despite how incredibly easy it is for anyone to bring back guns in Canada, we don't have a problem with it. So when the biggest source for a potential problem isn't a problem, why pick on farmers with rifles?
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22043414 - 08/04/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Do you know why a gun a registry in Canada is completely useless? Here's why:
- We live next to the US where acquiring a gun illegally happens 1000 times per day - When crossing into Canada, the border guy is sitting in his booth, you give him your passport, he looks at you then says welcome to Canada.
I would be comfortable smugglin in a corpse covered in cocaine because they don't check.
Despite how incredibly easy it is for anyone to bring back guns in Canada, we don't have a problem with it. So when the biggest source for a potential problem isn't a problem, why pick on farmers with rifles?
Honestly, some of the border crossings are even more lax than that.
There is a small town along the Saskatchewan/North Dakota border (there is a Canadian side and an American side to the town, but they are under different names) where the golf course literally includes a hole that involves hitting the ball over a dirt highway from the Canadian side into the American side.
Aside from that town, vast fields -- grew up walking back and forth across the border in my youngest years, because all the stores and restaurants were on the American side. Then the exchange rate got bad, and a half hour on the highway for grocery runs made more sense than trying to buy it in the US, and we eventually moved away.
Apparently, much of the Saskatchewan-US border was trafficked by Al Capone's gang for the purposes of rum-running. There are still smuggling tunnels from the era under the streets of places like Moose Jaw.
The border has a history of smuggling that just keeps on going.
Can agree with the sentiment regarding farmers and gun ownership in Canada in general -- the people here who have guns do not cause problems with those guns.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
#22043499 - 08/04/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Canada-US border is pretty much an annoyingly long red light when you think of it...
For years I've been preaching that the border should be open. I slows down all the import and exports and ends up costing billion to companies, billions to taxpayers who have to pay the guards and build the infrastructure.
I'm not saying that the border is a joke though. It is needed. I say lets try randomly selecting 1 car out of 2 to begin with. Try that for a year and see what happens. It would speed up the traffic, piss less people off and be cheaper for everyone. Why not try that instead of having a fully fund border that only checks your passport and tells you to go through...
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22043578 - 08/04/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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searching 50% of the vehicles will not speed things up.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: JohnnieYen]
#22043666 - 08/04/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: searching 50% of the vehicles will not speed things up.
Ok sorry, let me be clearer.
Make a lane for those who have been selected and a lane for the ones who can go right away.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22059323 - 08/07/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Three hours of leader debate.
May be too long to sit through for some.
Just wrapped up the first 20 minutes on economy debate.
28 minutes in shows 50% of support being directed at Mulclair. He does a good job at keeping a level head in the debate so far. He provides nice analysis of Harper's time in office, without it feeling as much like a heated personal argument as the exchanges between Harper and Trudeau seem to.
Trudeau showing up second is a little surprising to me, but it may tie to the approach he seems to be taking. Get the sense his is mostly giving up on trying to sway NDP voters back to Liberal, and is instead trying to find an approach that can get him a portion of Harper's votes -- the view I am getting of the Liberal platform at present seems to be something in line of offering representation to those who Mulclair's plan will punish, while still offering a social view that appeals to lower to middle class Canadians.
May seems informed on the issues, but it is difficult for me to consider the Greens to be real contenders in my area. Have no objections to seeing her elected in her riding though.
Harper seems to be spending a lot of time being shifty, but maybe that is my bias. There are points from the other leaders regarding how the Conservatives try to cover up or skew numbers in their favour, and referencing how outside analysts hold a comparatively pessimistic view of the situation. Meanwhile, Harper counters those by spitting out numbers from various Canadian organizations -- all well and good, but feel leery when people are presenting him with outside numbers and his response is basically "yeah but the numbers we drafted up ourselves look good in my opinion." Would like to see Harper offering solutions rather than being told he's on a leaky boat and responding that it's not leaking that badly.

Moving into the portion on energy and environment now.
At present, still debating between casting my vote for Liberal or Conservative -- like Mulclair, just do not like majority governments in general. Prefer if whoever is in power has their hands largely shackled by the other parties; since NDP does seem to be presenting rather strongly, do not think they really need my vote to land as a minority government. Just a matter of figuring who provides a better accent and outside voice to the NDP plans. Liberal still seems most likely, the Conservatives over the past years have not left me all that pleased.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
#22059337 - 08/07/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am trying to figure out which end of the chopstick I'd rather stick in my eye
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22059353 - 08/07/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I am trying to figure out which end of the chopstick I'd rather stick in my eye
That seems an apt comparison. 
Going to have to hold my nose and vote for someone though. Likely to come down to what seems most strategic for my area's seat.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
#22059368 - 08/07/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I watched an hour then I shifted towards Trump.
What I gathered is that Elizabeth May is the smartest of the bunch. Unfortunitely she's running for a party that will never be elected...
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22059390 - 08/07/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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These debates are all circuses. If you have a position put it om paper so I can read it. TV debates are a problem, not a solution.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22059412 - 08/07/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: These debates are all circuses. If you have a position put it om paper so I can read it. TV debates are a problem, not a solution.
It's like the WWE. It's entertaining
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22059440 - 08/07/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: These debates are all circuses. If you have a position put it om paper so I can read it. TV debates are a problem, not a solution.
Can agree with this sentiment.
Comparing this year's elections to our last elections or the one before it, the bent towards video media is quite the pain.
It used to be relatively simple to click onto any given party website and have a direct link to their platform for the election. Visiting party sites this year, they are excessively flash-driven with all sorts of links to watch youtube versions of their tv ads in order to try and glean out their sentiments.
The debate is basically like watching the broadcasts of debates between the leaders within parliament, except in that scenario they are less consciously focused on trying to sell themselves to the population.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
#22059945 - 08/07/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Several smoke breaks later, managed to make it through the damn thing. Fortunately it was only the first 2 hours, guess the third was a post-show.
Want to say that I was going to give the Conservatives a chance to win my vote over, but really the whole thing reinforced how much I feel we're due for a change. 
Part of me wants to vote NDP just to see what they can do at the national level, but still have concerns about whatever is on their backpages if they were to gain a majority and be able to push more legislation through than what they are campaigning on. What they are offering is solid, and I know that they at least want to move away from the mandatory minimums to decriminalization for cannabis, even though they do not plan to go so far as the Liberal's plan to follow in the legalizing states footsteps.
May was the only one I really felt like I could take seriously through the whole debate, but perhaps that was because she stands no chance of becoming Prime Minister so she seemed somewhat more focused on the issues than on a "what I'm going to do when I'm in charge" mentality.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Shortknight]
#22060898 - 08/07/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shortknight said: Id add Elizabith May to your facebook, she is a hell of a leader, and her idealizations are spot on for the most part as mine. Shes got quite the intelligence! I really suggest hearing her out. Its just unfortunate in our side of the country the green party doesnt amount too highly.
Shorty
I would never vote her. She presented a 9-11 truther petition to parliament. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/elizabeth-may-presents-9-11-truther-petition-to-parliament-1.2133362
I could never vote for anyone who wants to encourage the mentally ill in their delusions no matter how cool or hip it may seem. A 9-11 truther as prime minister? I would move out of this frozen shithole forever
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: my3rdeye]
#22077416 - 08/11/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright. Here's a comprehensive campaign promise overview
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Patlal]
#22080699 - 08/12/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Was wondering about how Mulcair's plans for childcare were set to work, so ended up pulling this up. Not sure how many Shroomerites this impacts, but it was part of their platform that had me interested as to how they plan to set it up.
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NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has made $15 a day child care a central plank of his party’s election platform
He talked to Jordan Press about why he feels it makes economic sense to do it and why the program is of personal interest to him.
Q: When you pledged a national child care program in the fall, federal finances looked rosier than now. Tell me why a national day care program still makes sense.
A: It is an economic proposal. The Quebec system, 70,000 women were able to go back to work, more money actually flowed back into government coffers than what it cost. There are going to be people there who will (say), ‘government programs (are) a thing of the past; we can’t do this stuff anymore.’ That type of argument could just as easily have been used against health care, but nobody would question it today as being good socially and economically.
Q: Economist Pierre Fortin, who studied the economic effects of the Quebec system, told a child care conference last year that even if advocates for a universal child care system can show “actual financial benefits (it) does not mean it is a good program.” How do you ensure that quality remains central to the system when negotiating deals with provinces?
A: The same way you negotiate quality with regard to health care: You discuss what the obligation or result is, and then you get to that.
When we talk about quality child care, we are talking about early childhood education that will give kids a leg up. It will give them a boost in their life, it will prepare them for school, prepare them better for kindergarten, and make them better able to get along in society.
Q: Gordon Cleveland, a child care economist at the University of Toronto, said, “pouring tons and tons of money into the system (means) there is going to be strong pressure upwards” on costs. How do you keep a lid on those pressures?
A: We’ve given a full costing of the system that’s based on experience and we would make sure that that’s the way it worked out. The deal (with provinces) would be predicated on being able to deliver quality spaces at that price.
Q: What’s the role of for-profit day care centres in the NDP plan?
A: We had two boys. (Both are now in their 30s.) Greg went to a child care where we lived in Montreal. It was private. The owner contacted me when this system in Quebec was brought in. Her name was Sharon. She said, ‘I’ve built this business, I’m a reliable partner, we’re doing this at rates comparable to anybody else, I can make a profit if I access the funds.’ The Sharons of this world should be reassured we’re going to make sure they’re included. If there’s a big box that owns 100 child cares and thinks they can turn a huge profit, that’s not the type of business we’ll be looking to be part of this plan. Related
The child care conundrum Part 1: Will a universal system pay off?
Q: What do you expect will be the demand for the one million spaces nationwide, given the demand for spaces in Quebec?
A: The million spaces, compared to what we have in Canada today, should suffice for demand, but it might increase demand. A lot of young couples today are hesitating to start a family because they’re finishing university with the largest student debt in Canadian history, the cost of child care is through the roof, and even if you want to buy a house in a lot of our biggest cities, you’re an hour and a half commute away from the city. Making ($15 a day child care) available is going to have a positive effect. Nothing would make me happier than to see we would have to add to the program.
Q: Where do you find the money to cover the ramp up in spending over eight years towards $5 billion? Raise the GST? Raise corporate tax rates? Eliminate income splitting?
A: We’re categorically opposed to increasing the GST: It’s a very regressive tax, hits the poor the hardest, so that’s not on the table. We’re going to raise corporate taxes closer to the G7 average. We will scrap the ridiculous income splitting scheme of Stephen Harper that takes billions of dollars from the middle class and gives it to the richest 15 per cent. Those are going to be a clash of 15s in 2015: He’s trying to help the richest 15 per cent, I’m trying to have $15 a day child care.
Q: Why is this so important to you, personally?
A: Catherine and I went through this. When Matt was born, it was, OK, where do we find a place for him? We finally found a place in a regulated day care and there were subsidies at the beginning and then the subsidies dried up because there was a new program, a new government, the thing shifted, it was not reliable, it was not long term. We moved to Montreal, we found a good place, again, but it was more expensive because it was private. What we’re trying to do is set a goal for ourselves, the goal is available, affordable quality child care, across the country. I don’t care how people come to that altar — some of them will come to it for economic reasons, some will come for fairness reasons.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/tom-mulcair-on-the-details-of-the-ndps-child-care-policy
The only part that still throws me a little bit in terms of lack of comprehension is the generation of jobs -- could be in error, but seem to recall Mulcair and May blasting Harper on the debates about how his claims to have created jobs was meaningless as the available jobs have been analyzed as being mostly low-paying part time jobs. Not clear on how many jobs will be opened by the new child-care facilities themselves, but otherwise it seems like the jobs that they're working so hard to give parents the time to work are not that great themselves.
If I were a parent, 15 dollar a day childcare would be appealing to me as any available jobs around here require a commute. Maybe my lack of comprehension is tied in with my lack of direct benefit from the system though. 
One of my only friends that this really impacts will likely be hit negatively by it -- she runs a small daycare out of her home so that other parents in her neighbourhood can work. She may have to find something new.
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child care is so expensive. I wouldn't be able to afford a house if I didn't have relatives willing to sit my kids for free. its upwards of 50-60$ a day per kid. One after school program with 45 min before school, pickup and watch them for 2 hours wanted 600 a week per kid. what a joke 15$ a day childcare will win a LOT of votes
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: JohnnieYen]
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JohnnieYen said: child care is so expensive. I wouldn't be able to afford a house if I didn't have relatives willing to sit my kids for free. its upwards of 50-60$ a day per kid. One after school program with 45 min before school, pickup and watch them for 2 hours wanted 600 a week per kid. what a joke 15$ a day childcare will win a LOT of votes
Do not doubt that it will. As stated, am not a parent, but if I were I could see direct benefit of the system.
Just the economic factor is what has me confused -- he wants to make it less appealing for businesses to run in Canada while opening up more opportunity for people to work in the jobs he criticized. Seem to recall Harper being proud that the low business tax is what generated new jobs, then Mulcair and May pointed out that the jobs that were created were low quality. Would even those jobs stay if the business tax goes up, or would businesses start to look at running out of a different country again?
Seem to recall him mentioning the number "1 million" a few times during the debate -- not clear on if that means 1 million slots for children, or 1 million new childcare jobs. The latter would definitely provide additional incentive as an outside observer -- it provides more job opportunities to a number of people I went to school with who specialized in the Kindergarten and Early Childhood side of the Education degree, then found themselves hard-pressed to find jobs afterward. This could stand to alleviate that a lot at least.
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
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Liberals are not really offering much better for most families though, so unless they introduce something further to their platform they hold less benefit.
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The Liberals' proposed new child benefit will not be in lieu of a national child-care plan, but much like the promised monthly benefit, a universal child-care system under a Trudeau government would likely be geared to income.
"We're committed to making sure parents have affordable, quality early learning for their kids, there's no question about it," Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau told host Evan Solomon in an interview airing Saturday on CBC Radio's The House.
Trudeau plan taxes top 1% to cut taxes, boost benefits for middle class Analysis: Trudeau's plan for the middle class launches spin war
What might such a daycare program look like if the Liberals are elected this fall?
Trudeau is staying mum for now, promising to share more in the coming months, but he was clear it would be different from the NDP's pledge of a $15 a day national child-care plan.
"[NDP Leader Tom] Mulcair's solution will benefit families who are making an awful lot of money and quite frankly don't need subsidized child-care spaces," Trudeau said.
"I think there is a need for national leadership to make sure that early learning and child care happens, it's just that the actual model put forward by Mr. Mulcair benefits wealthy families as much as it benefits those who actually need it," he added.
A universal $15 a day child-care system is a major plank of the NDP campaign platform, which promises to create or maintain a million daycare spaces across Canada over an eight-year period.
The NDP will pay for the program by cancelling the Conservatives' parental income-splitting plan, a tax cut estimated to cost the government $2 billion a year, Mulcair said in an interview on The House April 25.
"We've costed this, we have more than enough to cover the program, we know what we're doing," the NDP leader said. "$15 a day is our starting point and we do believe it is sustainable." Tax hikes for the rich
Asking wealthier Canadians to contribute more — whether it's potentially for child-care spaces or through the Liberals' proposed tax bracket for those who earn over $200,000 — was the running theme for Trudeau in the interview with Solomon.
"Canada has always been there to help people who need it," he said.
"[Our plan] is completely in keeping with the values and fairness that is at the heart of this country. We're asking those who have done well to do a little more for the people who need it."
Trudeau also expanded upon his planned monthly child benefit, which would roll together and enrich two existing benefits that are geared to income — the Canada child tax benefit and the national child benefit supplement — into a single, more generous payment that would give families up to $6,400 annually for every child under six and up to $5,400 for children aged six to 17.
He is also promising to do away with the Conservative's universal child-care benefit, arguing it makes no sense for rich and poor families to receive the same amount of money.
"Our child benefit goes directly to the families who need it the most," he said, dismissing criticism his plan wouldn't do enough to help the working poor.
"We're giving $6,400 a year to any family with a family income under $30,000," he said, adding the benefit amount would be tied to family income and would gradually disappear at higher income levels.
Despite all three political parties' heavy pre-campaign courting of the middle class, Trudeau hinted his future platform announcements will be targeted towards helping other groups.
"We will have plenty more to say about students, seniors, low-income singles and a range of people in the coming weeks and months," he said.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-hints-at-national-child-care-plan-tied-to-income-1.3065235
Interesting to see Trudeau trying to level the criticism that Mulcair's plan provides too much benefit to the rich, and that the Liberals will instead be focusing on low-income parents. More just a way to say "we're putting something on the table, but we're applying it to as few as possible."
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Re: The Federal Canadian Elections are on as of yesterday. [Re: Tantrika]
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I think it is a good idea. So many people have a spouse that just makes a little bit more than what child care costs. So they end up making an extra 500$ a month to not see their kid. At least with a subsidized program, that money can be used to have a better house, more options, more time with the kids.
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