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Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip
#22038520 - 08/03/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I'm relatively new to psychedelics. I've only tried mushrooms, and I've probably only done them about 10 times. Doses ranging from 0.7 grams to over 4 grams (dried). I've learned so much from these experiences, and have discovered so many things, but I'm now worried I may have to stop.
The last time I did it, I only did 0.7 grams. I made it into a tea. The come up was fine, the trip was fine. Everything normal, all the expected symptoms...
Yet, when I started to come down, I was simply sitting on the couch, and I felt a muscle (or something) twitch inside the left side of my chest right below my heart, and the pain was moderate. I sat up, surprised by it, and it twitched again, hurting even more. I took a deep breath and the pain went away. But immediately after, I felt a sudden shortness of breath, and I kept getting more and more nauseous. The nausea got so intense so quickly that I had to get to the toilet to throw up. I got into the bathroom, and my legs and arms seemed to just give way underneath me (not completely). I allowed myself to lie on the bathroom floor, ready to get up and grab the porcelain if I needed to vomit. But all of a sudden, the nausea completely disappeared within a few seconds, and then all of a sudden I felt completely fine. My chest felt a little sore from whatever the twitching was (and the next day I could still feel it a little bit when I breathed in deep), but other than that I was fine.
I walked out of the bathroom, and my girlfriend noticed that my face was very pale.
Has anyone ever had this happen? I'm thinking perhaps I should go to the doctor, and get checked up... This is the only time in my life anything like this has ever happened.
I really hope I don't have to abstain from psychedelics for the rest of my life because of this. That'd be a real bummer. Thanks for any feedback!
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22038607 - 08/03/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sounds unrelated to mushrooms physically

how is your health in general? family history of heart problems?
maybe a muscle spasm sent you into a panic attack type episode?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: filthyknees]
#22038710 - 08/03/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, no real history of heart issues in the family... Could it have been induced by panic? Perhaps.. But it felt very involuntary. The nausea was very real and very intense, and the blood definitely was drained from my face.
My overall health is pretty good. I'm thin, and exercise somewhat regularly.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22039054 - 08/03/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had something like this happen on 1g of penis envy mushrooms.
I was sitting on the back porch during the comedown of a light trip and i randomly felt a shortness of breath. Then felt dizzy and nauseous, so i threw up and my vision started fading and i heard ringing in my ears. The trip kicked into overdrive (almost dmt like) after i puked, but I lied down for 5 minutes and i was fine. It was scary and weird.
I smoked a shitload of weed on the comedown and i think its related to that. I dont smoke on trips anymore and ive never had the problem.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: EnemaOfState]
#22039071 - 08/03/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for reminding me! After I laid down in the bathroom and started feeling better I got an insane ringing in my ears. I would have forgotten about that had you not reminded me.
Did your face go pale? Or was no one there to tell you?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22040158 - 08/03/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It may be that the mushroom you ate or made the tea with was some kind of sport or was otherwise someway mutated so that it had a chemical composition that could cause the condition you describe.
To me it sounded like a heart attack--the pain and nausea are common in such events. But I am no doctor. I don't know anything except what I have read. You are probably pretty young to be having a heart attck.
Since you have had good luck with mushrooms 9 out of 10 times, it seems to me you would be wise to continue use but not with anything coming out of the batch from which your problem dose came.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22040389 - 08/04/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very strange.
Maybe u have an allergy to shrooms?
Where did u get these shrooms from?
Ive had an experience of being "poisoned" with my chest hurting and lethergy from a wood lover species called ps cyans. It was scary.
Im assuming u have cubenis?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22040499 - 08/04/15 02:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like a case of heartburn/indigestion. Maybe the Mushrooms had grown mold?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: endogenous]
#22040508 - 08/04/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who knows what this could be. Live a healthy life my friends.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: WhoManBeing]
#22040575 - 08/04/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not the Mushrooms that did that.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: pineapple3] 1
#22041052 - 08/04/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My guess would be some dehydration or common vasocostriction associated with these enthogens...anxiety then takes over because your brain is saying...."What the fuck?"
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22041080 - 08/04/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22041390 - 08/04/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: My guess would be some dehydration or common vasocostriction associated with these enthogens...anxiety then takes over because your brain is saying...."What the fuck?"
Im pretty sure this is what it is.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: EnemaOfState]
#22044061 - 08/04/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Classic case of vasoconstriction. I've never known anyone to experience this on mushrooms, but definitely on nBomes and other rcs; sometimes lsd.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Eternal.Light]
#22045644 - 08/05/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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is there anything to aid in preventing symptoms like this?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#22045737 - 08/05/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ibuprofen? lol
stops the shivers lol
maybe help with vasoconstriction 
or maybe asprin?
or just make you think you will be good!
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: mustangbob3]
#22045798 - 08/05/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't find anything on psilocin pharmacology that would induce these symptoms, and after years of use I've never had it happen.
I'm fascinated by this report though, and if these effects were induced by psilocin it would be interesting to learn what's going on.
Increased heart rate is common with psychedelics, and vasoconstriction can occur (in fact this is part of why LSD was looked into for migraines, and ergotamine tartrate was prescribed for them) https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_medical1.shtml
In the case below a heart-transplant patient was apparently killed by psilocin...
Incident: Anonymous Female, 2012 # In 2012, a 24-year-old female died following a cardiac arrest 2-3 hours after consuming magic mushrooms. She had received a heart transplant 10 years prior. Six months before her death she had had a clinic review and was "well with no physical limitations". The plasma levels reported in the autopsy suggest a fairly high dose of psilocybin-containing mushrooms. Lim TH, Wasywich CA, Roygrok PN. "Letter to the Editor: A fatal case of 'magic mushroom' ingestion in a heart transplant recipient". Internal Medicine Journal. Nov 19, 2012 (online).1268-9. Autopsy confirmed a healthy cardiac allograft (no allograft vasculopathy). Plasma toxicology revealed a psilocin level of 30 mg/L (consistent with magic mushroom toxicity) and a tetrahydrocannabinol level of 4 mg/L. No alcohol or other common drugs of abuse were detected. [...] Only two deaths have been previously reported directly attributable to magic mushroom ingestion ... We postulate that in this case excessive sympathetic stimulation of the transplanted heart as a result of Psilocybe mushroom toxicity led to fatal ventricular arrythmias."-erowid
So maybe if your predisposed to heart conditions psilocin can have negative effects? ...
...But if this is the case then why have there only been 3+ deaths suspected to have been caused by psilocin?
Interesting stuff though...
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wow really interesting stuff Coincidentiaoppositorum !
after that i agree if you have a heart condition or you get some effects like that maybe you should reconcider shrooms and phychedelica in general
wonder if the person didnt take the shrooms it would of happended anyway?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: mustangbob3]
#22045912 - 08/05/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hmm i just mean to combat vasoconstriction in general. I feel drawn even tight sometimes. I know Aspirin is an anti coagulant that would work to dissolve blood clots or prevent clotting. would that be any use to reduce chances of harm while your cardiovascular system is constricted? Is there anything that would counter act ir entirly, i hear someone say an herb called cats paw would stop it?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: mustangbob3]
#22045913 - 08/05/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: wow really interesting stuff Coincidentiaoppositorum !
after that i agree if you have a heart condition or you get some effects like that maybe you should reconcider shrooms and phychedelica in general:)
wonder if the person didnt take the shrooms it would of happended anyway?
like a different time, say on a rollercoaster!
For sure, I'm always happy to spread information.
psilocin deaths are extremely rare though, as are deaths from LSD, as far as I know there are not any mescaline deaths, this quote from erowid describes the general physical safety of traditional psychedelics: The primary health concerns about LSD use are related to psychological health rather than risk of physical damage to the body or brain. As senior LSD researcher Dr. David Nichols, Distinguished Chair of Pharmacology at Purdue University and head of one of the world's top LSD research labs, stated in his 2004 review article on hallucinogens, "There is no evidence that any of the hallucinogens, even the very powerful semisynthetic LSD, causes damage to any human body organ. [...] Hallucinogens do not cause life-threatening changes in cardiovascular, renal, or hepatic function because they have little or no affinity for the biological receptors and targets that mediate vital vegetative functions."1 Deaths resulting from the pharmacological effects of LSD are rare to non-existent.-erowid
...so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss psychedelia over minor issues which likely won't be fatal...but if you have had a heart transplant or have a medical condition that can cause death if stimulated, than, no, psychedelics are not for you...
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: hawtdawglawl]
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hawtdawglawl said: hmm i just mean to combat vasoconstriction in general. I feel drawn even tight sometimes. I know Aspirin is an anti coagulant that would work to dissolve blood clots or prevent clotting. would that be any use to reduce chances of harm while your cardiovascular system is constricted? Is there anything that would counter act ir entirly, i hear someone say an herb called cats paw would stop it?
These are great questions... https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217323 In this link someone on another forum discusses combating vassoconstriction while on lysergic acid amide...
Below is some general medical information regarding vassoconstriction and it's treatment:
Vasoconstriction Treatment Since vasoconstriction is when blood vessels constrict and decreases the flowing of blood, then treatment for this would include using vasodilators such as alpha adrenoceptor antagonists, or calcium-channel blockers to widen the blood vessels to help with the flow of blood.-byebyedoctor
One hour of cardiovascular exercise each day promotes circulation and vasodilation.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#22046068 - 08/05/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hawtdawglawl said: hmm i just mean to combat vasoconstriction in general. I feel drawn even tight sometimes. I know Aspirin is an anti coagulant that would work to dissolve blood clots or prevent clotting. would that be any use to reduce chances of harm while your cardiovascular system is constricted? Is there anything that would counter act ir entirly, i hear someone say an herb called cats paw would stop it?
Niacin works great as does a half of a viagra.....they are both vaso-dilators. I take 1/2 viagra a hour before eating them because I have RA and the vaso-constriction really messes with my feet. This takes away most of the constricting symptoms.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22048020 - 08/05/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It sounds like your body went into a stress response when you got that chest pain. I would say as long as you dont have any more lingering pain to just get a check up and make sure everything checks out.
Stress can cause a lot of health issues, so it's likely just that; but you should still get checked out.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Wormi]
#22048392 - 08/05/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I experienced something very similar to what OP described. It was during the comedown of a 3.5 gram mushroom experience. The actual experience was fantastic, however about 2 hours after the last very noticable effects had worn off, I smoked .3 g of marijuana. The mushroom effects immediately resumed with the haziness of the pot accompanying. After 5 minutes I began to feel extraordinarily nauseated. I stood up to move to move to my trashcan when I began to hear a loud ringing in my ears, not unlike a strong DMT comeup. My vision tunneled and I blacked out, falling onto my floor (thankfully not injuring myself). I was conscious of what was occuring, aware of my lack of ability to control my body. After laying on the ground for ~5mins, the ringing faded and nausea left. I was able to get back up with no acute symptoms aside from lingering trippyness.
At the time, it felt like a cosmic slap for evoking the (possibily overused) marijuana, a theme throughout the prior mushroom experience.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Myopic.Skam]
#22048465 - 08/05/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds kinda panic attackish? I have no idea. Glad you're okay though OP
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Myopic.Skam]
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Myopic.Skam said: I experienced something very similar to what OP described. It was during the comedown of a 3.5 gram mushroom experience. The actual experience was fantastic, however about 2 hours after the last very noticable effects had worn off, I smoked .3 g of marijuana. The mushroom effects immediately resumed with the haziness of the pot accompanying. After 5 minutes I began to feel extraordinarily nauseated. I stood up to move to move to my trashcan when I began to hear a loud ringing in my ears, not unlike a strong DMT comeup. My vision tunneled and I blacked out, falling onto my floor (thankfully not injuring myself). I was conscious of what was occuring, aware of my lack of ability to control my body. After laying on the ground for ~5mins, the ringing faded and nausea left. I was able to get back up with no acute symptoms aside from lingering trippyness.
At the time, it felt like a cosmic slap for evoking the (possibily overused) marijuana, a theme throughout the prior mushroom experience.
Happened to me on weed solo few times. But this is blood pressure dropping, no? Oh, usually happens during pissing...
Also, I smoked joints thru my last trip and I'm kinda loosing interest in everyday smoking. It felt kinda blunt and nonsensical, but thats OT sorry.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: jcop]
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Myopic.Skam said: I experienced something very similar to what OP described. It was during the comedown of a 3.5 gram mushroom experience. The actual experience was fantastic, however about 2 hours after the last very noticable effects had worn off, I smoked .3 g of marijuana. The mushroom effects immediately resumed with the haziness of the pot accompanying. After 5 minutes I began to feel extraordinarily nauseated. I stood up to move to move to my trashcan when I began to hear a loud ringing in my ears, not unlike a strong DMT comeup. My vision tunneled and I blacked out, falling onto my floor (thankfully not injuring myself). I was conscious of what was occuring, aware of my lack of ability to control my body. After laying on the ground for ~5mins, the ringing faded and nausea left. I was able to get back up with no acute symptoms aside from lingering trippyness.
At the time, it felt like a cosmic slap for evoking the (possibily overused) marijuana, a theme throughout the prior mushroom experience.
Happened to me on weed solo few times. But this is blood pressure dropping, no? Oh, usually happens during pissing...
Also, I smoked joints thru my last trip and I'm kinda loosing interest in everyday smoking. It felt kinda blunt and nonsensical, but thats OT sorry.
Low blood pressure would absolutely make sense. I have a physiologic history with it (ie almost passing out after swimming races) as well as being sensitive to blood sugar changes (sugar roller coaster).
I havent done any research into the connection between marijuina and blood pressure/sugar. Long time cannabis user, but I've only experienced this once while post shrooms. Im trying to brainstorm confounding variables ....
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22049826 - 08/05/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it were me I'd get it checked out to be on the safe side. A friend of mine recently had a heart attack at 36 when he was getting random pains on the left side of his chest.
Better safe than sorry.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: sarahnya] 1
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Sounds like the OP May have undiagnosed Angina pectoris. nitroglycerin is the most common treatment.
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Here's some information on agina pectoris.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angina_pectoris
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Or maybe it really was psilocin induced...
Fascinating stuff regardless...
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You fainted or had a panic attack, either because of low blood pressure (Vasodilation) or dehydration. THC is a vasodilator.
I have fainted whilst smoking weed. The onset symptoms of fainting include high pitched ringing in the ears, extreme nausea, tunnel vision/distortion of vision, hallucinations, lose of consciousness, debilitating fear, chest pains.
Debilitating fear, chest pains as well as intense anxiety usually occur on the onset of a fainting episode caused by panic.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: birthdaysuit]
#22052020 - 08/06/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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birthdaysuit said: You fainted or had a panic attack, either because of low blood pressure (Vasodilation) or dehydration. THC is a vasodilator.
I have fainted whilst smoking weed. The onset symptoms of fainting include high pitched ringing in the ears, extreme nausea, tunnel vision/distortion of vision, hallucinations, lose of consciousness, debilitating fear, chest pains.
Debilitating fear, chest pains as well as intense anxiety usually occur on the onset of a fainting episode caused by panic.
I've had "weed blackouts" from shatter through a large rig, this doesn't sound like this is what the OP was talking about, but who knows, I figured a "weed passout" would be distinguishable from the symptoms described by the OP...
It could have been a panic attack, I've never had one so I can't say... as well as vassodialation from THC, though you figure the vassoconstriction from the psilocin would have countered that...
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Thanks for all the replies, guys. I ended up going to the doctor, and he did an EKG, listened to my heart, took my blood pressure, and did an x-ray. Everything was 100% normal.
The doctor thinks I just had some intense muscle spasms in my chest that caused me to nearly throw up and pass out. He says it happens to people all the time when something traumatic happens to the body, and that he sees it happen to people that get shots all the time... It was a first for me, but I'm just going to assume the doctor is right since all the tests came back good.
I'm very relieved it had nothing to do with my heart! Yay!
Edit: Oh, and to the people saying it could have been something wrong with the mushrooms: This was the third time I've tripped on this same batch, and the first two times nothing weird happened. The mushrooms are completely dry, I keep them air tight, and there is no visible mold or anything like that. Wouldn't the boiling water in the tea kill the mold anyways if there was any?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22059793 - 08/07/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: My guess would be some dehydration or common vasocostriction associated with these enthogens...anxiety then takes over because your brain is saying...."What the fuck?"
Ya, in hindsight, I think this is what happened.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
#22060119 - 08/07/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had an experience 3 weeks ago. I think it might have something to do with mixing the weed and the shrooms, well for me at least.
I have tripped a bunch of PF shrooms. This batch I ate was from my first wbs grow, With the pf shrooms could eat 3.5g and trip nicely for a few hrs, and I normally make tea.
Not knowing how strong these new shrooms were I took 2.5g dried and made tea. About 15 mins in it started hitting me. So I relaxed into it, smoked a bowl and about an hr after that I drank another cup. I smoked a bowl and sat back.
What came after was probably the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced. Everything hit me so hard, I immediately went into a full blown panic attack. I thought I was dying I think I felt pains going up my arms. I thought I was having a heart attack (but I wasn't) The panic attack made it feel so fucking real.
After that my life flashed before my eyes, like childhood memory's, every bad thing I have ever done in my life, regrets they all came up, I thought I had died.
I came out of it idk when, but it was the best feeling ever, it was such a relief to know I was ok, I alive!.
The weed seems to mess my trips up. It makes everything really racey and chaotic my last few trips with it. The last 2 or 3 times I have smoked weed during my trips, I have had bad trips.
I felt shaken up for a few days, like jumpy anxiety feeling. When I would workout and go to work the symptoms went away, I felt normal. Back to normal after 3 days.
BUT if I smoke weed even now, I get that anxiety feeling again. Its like I cant burn anymore. I think I might have tripped weed out of my life.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: cep2535]
#22060448 - 08/07/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you just tripped the fuck out man ^^ nothing serious
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Blazer420]
#22061701 - 08/08/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've only tripped 5 times and only 3 of those were worth-while. the first time i tripped on mushrooms i smoked some cannabis on the come-down. a little later i walked to the next room with a friend and got super light headed, i tried to sit myself down and my legs gave out and i just fell right down. i was no longer tripping visually at this point, but while i was sitting down it's like suddenly i got a CEV of what looked like a blurred scrabble board with a dial on it spinning faster and faster till it was flashing and i opened my eyes to try to gather myself and the walls were like covered in interlocking tiles of various color and impossible lighting, but they faded quickly like it was an after image.
But since then i have decided never to smoke weed on psychedelics, aside from whatever that was, i cannabis just makes me paranoid and i overthink everything and freak myself out.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#22061738 - 08/08/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know of this has been mentioned, but mushrooms appear to rarely and randomly cause fainting, and it seems like it may be caused by a sudden drop in blood pressure. It doesn't seem dangerous (other than falling). This may be related to that.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22064370 - 08/08/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What's the dosage, and how did you choose it?
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Hygrocybe]
#22065761 - 08/09/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've done a year long psychotherapy course. There are techniques (EFT, hypnosis, simple right communication) that enable you to get to human uncounsciessness in order to "fix" the psychotrauma one is carrying with himself. While performing many of these techniques, people cry, scream, beg for life, faint, roll on the floor, get muscle spasms...anything really, while they are in the trance. Without single mind-altering substance. This is the uncounsiessness's way of resolving traumas.
Now, I feel like shrooms have incredible therapeutic potential (which recent research only supports) so I see perfectly OK that people would faint and stuff. It can still be only in your head, not induced biochemically at all (or actually yes, but psyché is the trigger here). I believe OP is just this case.
Hope you guys get what I'm saying.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: jcop]
#22065870 - 08/09/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like a panic attack to me, happens to me a lot with a wide variety of psychedelics 
You're fine !
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: jcop]
#22066581 - 08/09/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcop said: I've done a year long psychotherapy course. There are techniques (EFT, hypnosis, simple right communication) that enable you to get to human uncounsciessness in order to "fix" the psychotrauma one is carrying with himself. While performing many of these techniques, people cry, scream, beg for life, faint, roll on the floor, get muscle spasms...anything really, while they are in the trance. Without single mind-altering substance. This is the uncounsiessness's way of resolving traumas.
Now, I feel like shrooms have incredible therapeutic potential (which recent research only supports) so I see perfectly OK that people would faint and stuff. It can still be only in your head, not induced biochemically at all (or actually yes, but psyché is the trigger here). I believe OP is just this case.
Hope you guys get what I'm saying.
I've never fainted on shrooms, but I have almost fainted. It was absolutely not psychological, it was definitely pharmacological. It was a sudden drop in blood pressure.
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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: LSDreamer]
#22067009 - 08/09/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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twitching muscles could mean magnesium deficiency.
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