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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: hawtdawglawl]
    #22045919 - 08/05/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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hmm i just mean to combat vasoconstriction in general. I feel drawn even tight sometimes. I know Aspirin is an anti coagulant that would work to dissolve blood clots or prevent clotting. would that be any use to reduce chances of harm while your cardiovascular system is constricted? Is there anything that would counter act ir entirly, i hear someone say an herb called cats paw would stop it?




These are great questions...
https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217323
In this link someone on another forum discusses combating vassoconstriction while on lysergic acid amide...

Below is some general medical information regarding vassoconstriction and it's treatment:

Vasoconstriction Treatment
Since vasoconstriction is when blood vessels constrict and decreases the flowing of blood, then treatment for this would include using vasodilators such as alpha adrenoceptor antagonists, or calcium-channel blockers to widen the blood vessels to help with the flow of blood.-byebyedoctor


One hour of cardiovascular exercise each day promotes circulation and vasodilation.

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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22045924 - 08/05/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Vasodilators
Achillea millefolium (Yarrow)
Alcohol (wine, beer, etc.)
Amoracia rusticana (Horseradish)
Banisteriopsis caapi (contains harmine, harmaline, tetrahydroharmine)
Berberis vulgaris (Barberry)
Black cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa)
Cocao (contains theobromine)
Cocoa (contains theobromine)
Coleus forskholii (Coleus)
Coptis spp. (Goldenthread)
Chocolate (contains theobromine)
Cinnamon
Eleutherococcus senticosus (Siberian ginseng)
Garlic (Allium sativum)
Ginger (Zingiber officinale)
Ginkgo biloba
Harmaline
Harmine
Hawthorn
Huperzine
Kola nut (contains theobromine)
L-Arginine
Marijuana (THC)
Melissa offiicnalis (Lemon Balm)
Olea europaea (Olive leaf)
Peganum harmala (contains harmine, harmaline, tetrahydroharmine)
Panax ginseng (Chinese Ginseng)
Passiflora incarnata (AKA Passionflower, contains mostly harman, and a little harmaline, harmalol and harmine)
Petroselinum crispum (Parsley)
Rauwolfia serpentina (Indian Snakeroot)
Scutellaria baicalensis (Baical Skullcap)
Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Tetrahydroharmine
Theobromine
Tilia europaea (Linden Flower)
Trigonella foenum-graecum (Fenugreek)
Urtica dioica (Nettles)
Valeriana officinalis (Valerian)
Veratrum viride (American Hellebore)
Viburnum spp. (Cramp, Bark, Black Haw)
Vincamine
Vinpocetine
Viscum album (European Mistletoe)
Vitamin B3 (niacin)
Xanthoxylum americanum (Prickly Ash)
Yohimbe (contains yohimbine)
Yohimbine

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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: hawtdawglawl]
    #22046068 - 08/05/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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hmm i just mean to combat vasoconstriction in general. I feel drawn even tight sometimes. I know Aspirin is an anti coagulant that would work to dissolve blood clots or prevent clotting. would that be any use to reduce chances of harm while your cardiovascular system is constricted? Is there anything that would counter act ir entirly, i hear someone say an herb called cats paw would stop it?



Niacin works great as does a half of a viagra.....they are both vaso-dilators. I take 1/2 viagra a hour before eating them because I have RA and the vaso-constriction really messes with my feet. This takes away most of the constricting symptoms.:sunny::peace:


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
    #22048020 - 08/05/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It sounds like your body went into a stress response when you got that chest pain. I would say as long as you dont have any more lingering pain to just get a check up and make sure everything checks out.

Stress can cause a lot of health issues, so it's likely just that; but you should still get checked out.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Wormi]
    #22048392 - 08/05/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I experienced something very similar to what OP described. It was during the comedown of a 3.5 gram mushroom experience. The actual experience was fantastic, however about 2 hours after the last very noticable effects had worn off, I smoked .3 g of marijuana. The mushroom effects immediately resumed with the haziness of the pot accompanying. After 5 minutes I began to feel extraordinarily nauseated. I stood up to move to move to my trashcan when I began to hear a loud ringing in my ears, not unlike a strong DMT comeup. My vision tunneled and I blacked out, falling onto my floor (thankfully not injuring myself). I was conscious of what was occuring, aware of my lack of ability to control my body. After laying on the ground for ~5mins, the ringing faded and nausea left. I was able to get back up with no acute symptoms aside from lingering trippyness.

At the time, it felt like a cosmic slap for evoking the (possibily overused) marijuana, a theme throughout the prior mushroom experience.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Myopic.Skam]
    #22048465 - 08/05/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds kinda panic attackish? I have no idea. Glad you're okay though OP

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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Myopic.Skam]
    #22048668 - 08/05/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I experienced something very similar to what OP described. It was during the comedown of a 3.5 gram mushroom experience. The actual experience was fantastic, however about 2 hours after the last very noticable effects had worn off, I smoked .3 g of marijuana. The mushroom effects immediately resumed with the haziness of the pot accompanying. After 5 minutes I began to feel extraordinarily nauseated. I stood up to move to move to my trashcan when I began to hear a loud ringing in my ears, not unlike a strong DMT comeup. My vision tunneled and I blacked out, falling onto my floor (thankfully not injuring myself). I was conscious of what was occuring, aware of my lack of ability to control my body. After laying on the ground for ~5mins, the ringing faded and nausea left. I was able to get back up with no acute symptoms aside from lingering trippyness.

At the time, it felt like a cosmic slap for evoking the (possibily overused) marijuana, a theme throughout the prior mushroom experience.




Happened to me on weed solo few times. But this is blood pressure dropping, no? Oh, usually happens during pissing...

Also, I smoked joints thru my last trip and I'm kinda loosing interest in everyday smoking. It felt kinda blunt and nonsensical, but thats OT sorry.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: jcop]
    #22048895 - 08/05/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Myopic.Skam said:
I experienced something very similar to what OP described. It was during the comedown of a 3.5 gram mushroom experience. The actual experience was fantastic, however about 2 hours after the last very noticable effects had worn off, I smoked .3 g of marijuana. The mushroom effects immediately resumed with the haziness of the pot accompanying. After 5 minutes I began to feel extraordinarily nauseated. I stood up to move to move to my trashcan when I began to hear a loud ringing in my ears, not unlike a strong DMT comeup. My vision tunneled and I blacked out, falling onto my floor (thankfully not injuring myself). I was conscious of what was occuring, aware of my lack of ability to control my body. After laying on the ground for ~5mins, the ringing faded and nausea left. I was able to get back up with no acute symptoms aside from lingering trippyness.

At the time, it felt like a cosmic slap for evoking the (possibily overused) marijuana, a theme throughout the prior mushroom experience.




Happened to me on weed solo few times. But this is blood pressure dropping, no? Oh, usually happens during pissing...

Also, I smoked joints thru my last trip and I'm kinda loosing interest in everyday smoking. It felt kinda blunt and nonsensical, but thats OT sorry.




Low blood pressure would absolutely make sense. I have a physiologic history with it (ie almost passing out after swimming races) as well as being sensitive to blood sugar changes (sugar roller coaster).

I havent done any research into the connection between marijuina and blood pressure/sugar. Long time cannabis user, but I've only experienced this once while post shrooms. Im trying to brainstorm confounding variables ....


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
    #22049826 - 08/05/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If it were me I'd get it checked out to be on the safe side.  A friend of mine recently had a heart attack at 36 when he was getting random pains on the left side of his chest.

Better safe than sorry.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: sarahnya] * 1
    #22050486 - 08/05/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like the OP May have undiagnosed Angina pectoris. nitroglycerin is the most common treatment.

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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #22050497 - 08/05/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here's some information on agina pectoris.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angina_pectoris

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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22050511 - 08/05/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Or maybe it really was psilocin induced...

Fascinating stuff regardless...

-E. Borodin


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22050733 - 08/05/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You fainted or had a panic attack, either because of low blood pressure (Vasodilation) or dehydration. THC is a vasodilator.

I have fainted whilst smoking weed. The onset symptoms of fainting include high pitched ringing in the ears, extreme nausea, tunnel vision/distortion of vision, hallucinations, lose of consciousness, debilitating fear, chest pains.

Debilitating fear, chest pains as well as intense anxiety usually occur on the onset of a fainting episode caused by panic.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #22052020 - 08/06/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You fainted or had a panic attack, either because of low blood pressure (Vasodilation) or dehydration. THC is a vasodilator.

I have fainted whilst smoking weed. The onset symptoms of fainting include high pitched ringing in the ears, extreme nausea, tunnel vision/distortion of vision, hallucinations, lose of consciousness, debilitating fear, chest pains.

Debilitating fear, chest pains as well as intense anxiety usually occur on the onset of a fainting episode caused by panic.




I've had "weed blackouts" from shatter through a large rig, this doesn't sound like this is what the OP was talking about, but who knows, I figured a "weed passout" would be distinguishable from the symptoms described by the OP...

It could have been a panic attack, I've never had one so I can't say... as well as vassodialation from THC, though you figure the vassoconstriction from the psilocin would have countered that...

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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22059760 - 08/07/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies, guys. I ended up going to the doctor, and he did an EKG, listened to my heart, took my blood pressure, and did an x-ray. Everything was 100% normal.

The doctor thinks I just had some intense muscle spasms in my chest that caused me to nearly throw up and pass out. He says it happens to people all the time when something traumatic happens to the body, and that he sees it happen to people that get shots all the time... It was a first for me, but I'm just going to assume the doctor is right since all the tests came back good.

I'm very relieved it had nothing to do with my heart! Yay!

Edit: Oh, and to the people saying it could have been something wrong with the mushrooms: This was the third time I've tripped on this same batch, and the first two times nothing weird happened. The mushrooms are completely dry, I keep them air tight, and there is no visible mold or anything like that. Wouldn't the boiling water in the tea kill the mold anyways if there was any?


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22059793 - 08/07/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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My guess would be some dehydration or common vasocostriction associated with these enthogens...anxiety then takes over because your brain is saying...."What the fuck?"




Ya, in hindsight, I think this is what happened.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: OddJob123]
    #22060119 - 08/07/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I had an experience 3 weeks ago. I think it might have something to do with mixing the weed and the shrooms, well for me at least.

I have tripped a bunch of PF shrooms.  This batch I ate was from my first wbs grow,  With the pf shrooms could eat 3.5g and trip nicely for a few hrs, and I normally make tea. 

Not knowing how strong these new shrooms were I took 2.5g dried and made tea. About 15 mins in it started hitting me. So I relaxed into it, smoked a bowl and about an hr after that I drank another cup. I smoked a bowl and sat back.

What came after was probably the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced.  Everything hit me so hard, I immediately went into a full blown panic attack. I thought I was dying I think I felt pains going up my arms. I thought I was having a heart attack (but I wasn't) The panic attack made it feel so fucking real.

After that my life flashed before my eyes, like childhood memory's, every bad thing I have ever done in my life, regrets they all came up, I thought I had died.

I came out of it idk when, but it was the best feeling ever, it was such a relief to know I was ok, I alive!. 

The weed seems to mess my trips up. It makes everything really racey and chaotic my last few trips with it.  The last 2 or 3 times I have smoked weed during my trips, I have had bad trips.

I felt shaken up for a few days, like jumpy anxiety feeling.  When I would workout and go to work the symptoms went away, I felt normal. Back to normal after 3 days.

BUT if I smoke weed even now, I get that anxiety feeling again. Its like I cant burn anymore.  I think I might have tripped weed out of my life.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: cep2535]
    #22060448 - 08/07/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you just tripped the fuck out man ^^ nothing serious


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: Blazer420]
    #22061701 - 08/08/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i've only tripped 5 times and only 3 of those were worth-while. the first time i tripped on mushrooms i smoked some cannabis on the come-down. a little later i walked to the next room with a friend and got super light headed, i tried to sit myself down and my legs gave out and i just fell right down. i was no longer tripping visually at this point, but while i was sitting down it's like suddenly i got a CEV of what looked like a blurred scrabble board with a dial on it spinning faster and faster till it was flashing and i opened my eyes to try to gather myself and the walls were like covered in interlocking tiles of various color and impossible lighting, but they faded quickly like it was an after image.

But since then i have decided never to smoke weed on psychedelics, aside from whatever that was, i cannabis just makes me paranoid and  i overthink everything and freak myself out.


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Re: Very scary experience during low dose psilocybin trip [Re: hawtdawglawl]
    #22061738 - 08/08/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know of this has been mentioned, but mushrooms appear to rarely and randomly cause fainting, and it seems like it may be caused by a sudden drop in blood pressure. It doesn't seem dangerous (other than falling). This may be related to that.


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