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Psilosoulful

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Psilo's First Mono
#22038235 - 08/03/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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After my WBS jars fully colonized (they were inoculated with brf wedges started from MS), I decided to go ahead and make my first mono. Up until now, my grows have been with a 6qt & 16qt dub tubs. I've had pretty decent results so far, but I'm looking to step up my game, and grow like the pros lol.
I used 5 colonized WBS jars (grains were not dunked) to 9 quarts of 75% coir/20% verm/5% gypsum and mixed it in a 66qt sterilite tub. The sub depth was approximately 2.3 inches. I spawned this tub on July 29th, and the mycelium is colonizing the surface pretty well, except for the middle portion. I'm hoping the surface will be fully colonized in another 5 days. The tub is sitting in my basement at about 74f and I have most of the lid taped up to keep CO2 levels high (I used an uneven lid). I'll be casing this tub with a thin layer of pasteurized jiffy mix (I'm using Frank Horrigan's tek) when 100% colonization is reached. 




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Looking great. Considering trying something like this after mastering the BRF PF Tek!
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Most seals for most containers aren't air tight. You're doin' great homie.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22038317 - 08/03/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most seals for most containers aren't air tight. You're doin' great homie.
Thanks man! I used a different lid that was see through to replace the white lid that was originaly purchased with the tub. There were large gaps on all four corners, so I taped that up to keep it in place.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: cronicr]
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Stoked to see this play out. Looks good man
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Do it, you won't be disappointed!! 
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: Dr.Satan] 1
#22046480 - 08/05/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Day 7:



How far along does this tub look? I think it's about 60-70% done. I'm gonna give it another couple of days and see If the surface colonizes a bit more, before applying the jiffy mix, and letting the mycelium colonize that till ~30%, then I'll fruit it!!! 
Edit: The pics still won't show up , when is this thing gonna be fixed?
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A couple of days and some more with the casing sounds good to me.
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Cool, hopefully I get some even pinsets.
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Let it colonize to 100% before applying casing.
Full surface should be white. It looks about 40-50%. Surface should be 100% white before adding a casing. Even with, and especially with, a top layer. Fruiting before hand will not give you an even pinset.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22046600 - 08/05/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Listen to taGyo. He has more experience. I've never seen a coir tub get 100% white personally. So I've just been fruiting a few days after all the dark brown has turned light brown from myc.
But perhaps I'm just an impatient noob or my coir is too wet
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22046602 - 08/05/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks, thats what I figured too. I'll be following Frank's casing tek. I see that the tub he's using is fully white, hopefully mine gets there too! I'm guessing maybe a week from now, it should be ready to case.
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paperbackwriter said: But perhaps I'm just an impatient noob or my coir is too wet 
I'm pretty sure it's not the coir, but maybe the substrate was too compacted when you spawned it, and the mycelium is having a hard time getting through the surface.
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It gets through the surface and I don't compact it. I've just never seen my coir tubs look anything like the poo tubs I see other users post. Even after 10 days colonizing with a 1:1.5 spawn ratio.
It gets white just more wispy than super white and fluffy like it will be on the grains.
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paperbackwriter said: It gets through the surface and I don't compact it. I've just never seen my coir tubs look anything like the poo tubs I see other users post. Even after 10 days colonizing with a 1:1.5 spawn ratio.
It gets white just more wispy than super white and fluffy like it will be on the grains.
I hear you, my last tubs had the same type of problem, especially with the larger 16 qt dub tub. The surface usually finishes colonizing once I put it into fruiting tho, and it gets a lot thicker. I guess that's why a "late casing" is sometimes recommended.
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Yeah, that's pretty much how mine go. I'm just now experimenting with casings and have just about gotten to the point where I have more tubs colonizing than I have room to fruit.
I'm going to experiment with consolidation times and see how covered I can get the top after 20 days or so.
But yeah, judging from what I could see of your pics (which wasn't much with shit being broken), it looked about where I'd seen mine stop showing signs of growth. I trust taGyo's opinion more than my own though
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paperbackwriter said: But yeah, judging from what I could see of your pics (which wasn't much with shit being broken), it looked about where I'd seen mine stop showing signs of growth. I trust taGyo's opinion more than my own though 
I'll keep my fingers crossed!! I wanna get some nice fruits to clone from this tub. Just got two packs of mini rounds in the mail, it's almost time to make my first Pasty plates!
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Psilosoulful said: Just got two packs of mini rounds in the mail, it's almost time to make my first Pasty plates! 
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That's coir.
This is a few days before:

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paperbackwriter said: Listen to taGyo. He has more experience. I've never seen a coir tub get 100% white personally. So I've just been fruiting a few days after all the dark brown has turned light brown from myc.
But perhaps I'm just an impatient noob or my coir is too wet 
I've had this same thing happen to me as well. What kind of yields do you get from yours if you don't mind me asking? I've been wondering if there's a correlation between the full white tubs yields and the light white ones. Hoping I'll get at least a 12 oz yield on this tub.
Seriously, though, never seen a coir tub fully colonize.
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I just posted two pics.
I use natural sunlight for my tubs. This is not why they fully colonize though. Coir gets white like that, if I've ever seen anything else it means I have a contam and I normally get a flush and done.
I.E:

This was a contamed PESA tub.

Huge fruits, trich after the first flush. If it's not all white you can stand to let it colonize for longer. If it's not all white how can you have an even pinset?
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Psilosoulful said: Thanks, thats what I figured too. I'll be following Frank's casing tek. I see that the tub he's using is fully white, hopefully mine gets there too! I'm guessing maybe a week from now, it should be ready to case.
I've had this same thing happen to me as well. What kind of yields do you get from yours if you don't mind me asking? I've been wondering if there's a correlation between the full white tubs yields and the light white ones. Hoping I'll get at least a 12 oz yield on this tub.
Seriously, though, never seen a coir tub fully colonize. 
What size is your tub?
And this is Psilo's first mono.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22047875 - 08/05/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My tubs are 64 quart Sterilite. I use Damion5050 and Doc34's TEKs together. Should probably also mention I followed them both exactly.
Also, just fixed my post. It somehow quoted the wrong one? I know I clicked the right one. Weird shit.
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12 oz in total, possibly. That's 4 oz a flush though so that's pretty high if you're working with MS and don't know the potential. Sometimes you may get like 5 oz first flush then 2 then 2 or 7 first flush then 2 then 1. What variety? I had a Golden Teacher I gave to a friend put out damn near 6 ounces first flush.
It was pretty amazing. Tub so packed he couldn't put his hand in there to take out the liner.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Another snow white substrate:

This was a culture that sucked all of the water in so it perpetually looked dry.

That's golden teacher. All coir.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22047906 - 08/05/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm rockin' Treasure Coast currently. They seem to produce pretty nice yields. I've also got a tub of Creeper, one PES Hawaiian, one Koh Samui, and one Golden Teacher.
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Koh Samui is my favorite strain 
TC, KS and GT have great yields. PESH has always been very potent for me.
Good selection
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Haha, thanks, I did about two years of research before even starting this. Been a long time lurker here, and those were some of the most common strains I saw on here and on the streets if you catch my drift lol.
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Just did my first agar transfers today- it's a lot of fun- enjoy!
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TravelAgency said: Just did my first agar transfers today- it's a lot of fun- enjoy!
Awesome!! Can't wait to take some nice clones, I got a lot of plates to work with!
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22048893 - 08/05/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm... my tubs don't get that solid white until after they've been pinning for awhile. They cover all the coir but it's a lot more wispy. I haven't had any contams since I started using agar and have gotten multiple flushes of all my tubs.
My pinsets haven't been even but I've been dialing in my FAE/humidity ratios and just started using a casing layer and clones.
Anyway I guess I'll see if I'm just being impatient by letting some tubs consolidate and seeing how they look. My other thought is that my substrate might be a tad on the wet side. I'm just using the bucket tek and haven't bothered to play much with the ratios.
Thanks for the pics. Certainly gives me food for thought on how to improve my methods
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paperbackwriter said: Hmm... my tubs don't get that solid white until after they've been pinning for awhile. They cover all the coir but it's a lot more wispy. I haven't had any contams since I started using agar and have gotten multiple flushes of all my tubs.
Yeah I'm not expecting anything spectacular, since this tub was originally started from MS, but a few large mushrooms and dense clusters would be nice, so I could start printing/cloning and really dive into agar work.
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paperbackwriter said: My other thought is that my substrate might be a tad on the wet side. I'm just using the bucket tek and haven't bothered to play much with the ratios.
I always make sure my coir/verm is at field capacity before throwing it in mason jars to pasteurize. I believe RR has a short video explaining how to do it right, can't find the link tho. I squeeze it until a few drops come out, and there is some water pooled up at the fingers but not dripping. Also, it's better to be on the dry side, as you can always mist it later on.
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My sub is always perfect but that comes from experience.
I also dunk my grains for 20 minutes. I've noticed a vast improvement in colonization speeds and better pinset from dunking grains. I also use 2 handfuls of gypsum. I don't measure shit so I couldn't tell you how much it actually is but you will have to adjust the water levels for the gypsum. I think instead of using 4 qts I used 5 1/2 or something like that.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: I think instead of using 4 qts I used 5 1/2 or something like that.
Is that per brick of coir?! I only used a cup and a half for the 9 quarts of coir/verm that I spawned to. I've read that it was supposed to be 5% of the total bulk substrate.
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Garden gypsum comes in pellet form. This pellet needs to absorb water to dissolve.
If I have two handfuls (And I have big hands) that takes away from the water content of the coir by expanding the gypsum. I usually do 4 qts at first, then pasteurzie it like that, get in there and break up the brick again.
At this point half or two thirds of the brick is decomposed and saturated. the rest is bright brown, like heat-treated but dry coir. That's when I get in there (And this fucking hurts) with gloves and break up the brick into pieces. I mix it up real good, some of the gypsum hasn't dissolved yet either, and get all of the bright brown stuff on top. Then I add another quart and a half to saturate the rest of the medium and give it a good shake to distribute the moisture.
Alternatively I could just pour the 5 1/2 qts but I like the way I do it. Makes me feel like I'm doing something.
There's street smarts and book smarts. I had book smarts before I got street smarts. Now I do whatever I want. I bet you believe that you can't use 100mls of culture and colonize a jar properly.
My friend on this site did it and it colonized in under a week . Mushrooms grow themselves friends, I've said it before and I'll say it again:
95% of your flush is determined by genetics. The other 5% is shit like dunking, casing, evening out the coir, mixing properly and fucking with polyfill. I never feel amazed when my mushrooms do well 'cause truthfully I didn't do shit but give them the chance to grow. Here was my first 66 qt monotub and some bottle grows:                And those last pics are my first tub and I gave them a shit environment and they flourished. Noticed the caps fucked up like that? Not enough humidity. This is a rare genetic off shoot of KSSS. I call them alien spaceships. A very well respected member here named Will cultivated these and called them Peyote.  That guy was 3.5gs dried. No disrespect intended here, I like you Psilo, you're gonna be a good member.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Honestly I would really advocate picking these guys brain:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14297019/gonew/1#UNREAD
They know what's up.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Awesome pics (I can actually enlarge pics now, shroomery is healthy once again lol) I can't wait to find some good genetics via agar so I can expect some nice flushes for my future mono tubs 
I'm also using the powdered gypsum, not pellets, would I just add the same amount and mix it with the coir brick/verm, THEN hydrate it all, and squeeze it to field capacity?
Thanks for all the help, it's greatly appreciated.
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When you squeezed that coir was it at field capacity? You shouldn't have to squeeze water out for field cap, it should just be at field capacity. Have you seen the casing layer prep video where RR demonstrates field capacity?
This applies for coir as well:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation
My method comes from using the same stuff over and over so I can't give you an exact estimate for powder but bucket tek doesn't adjust for it so your water content may need to be added or removed as per field capacity. The goal is to just reach it, not go over and have to squeeze.
I went over once, squeezing out handfuls of water from coir into a bucket is boring and annoying.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: When you squeezed that coir was it at field capacity? You shouldn't have to squeeze water out for field cap, it should just be at field capacity. Have you seen the casing layer prep video where RR demonstrates field capacity?
This applies for coir as well:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation
My method comes from using the same stuff over and over so I can't give you an exact estimate for powder but bucket tek doesn't adjust for it so your water content may need to be added or removed as per field capacity. The goal is to just reach it, not go over and have to squeeze.
I went over once, squeezing out handfuls of water from coir into a bucket is boring and annoying.
I usually add more water then is needed. I don't mind squeezing it out by the handful, only takes 15 minutes tops to fill up half a dozen jars for pasteurization. And, when I squeeze the over-hydrated coir, I wait till the water gets down to a couple of drops and the water pools up slightly around my fingers, just like in the video. Then I load my jars up.
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I'd honestly recommend trying both bucket tek and hydrating it to capacity with a more accurate measuring level. PCing coir is unnecessary. HOWEVER I think cronicr PCs his coir. I've left coir in a bucket for two weeks, opened it up and gave it a squeeze and used it for a tub that flushed beautifully.
I do a lot of tubs at once when I get going and squeezing out coir sounds a lot harder then having a beer while it cools down . Still, if 100ml of LC can work on a jar this should be fine
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Yeah it does sound easier, especially with multiple grows, I'll have to give the bucket tek another go around
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Yeah, I dunk my grains. Bucket pasteurize my coir. Add gypsum to everything. Add coffee to my grain water while boiling.
I imagine each type of coir and each type of verm reaches field capacity with different amounts of water. I do the squeeze check but it's always looked close enough according to my understanding of Frank's teks. I'm going to watch that RR video though and try prepping it a bit on the dry side next run anyway just to see if it colonizes faster.
10 days at 1:1 or 1:2 without hitting full colonization sounds off from all I've read.
*edit* Okay, Frank said a hard squeeze should make a small stream. RR said a hard squeeze should make a few more drops. So yeah, probably too wet.
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Yeah, I've seen both videos, it can be hard to get it right sometimes (wish there was a more detailed video on the process). I think I've made most of my subs a little on the dry side. I'll need to improve for next time, and I'll definitely be dunking my grains as well.
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(Day 8) There seems to be no visible moisture on the surface of the coir, but the sides are dripping with water down the sides of the liner, Is this normal? My substrate was probably on the dry side and my grains weren't dunked when I spawned it. Should I open it and mist the surface, I don't want the mycelium to stop growing. Thanks for the help guys. Hopefully these pics will enlarge when I post them..

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Leave it alone! It will do the work for you
I usually put my tubs into fruiting around 6-8days after spawning
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Better pic of the substrate would be nice.
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Yeah I figure I'm just being impatient. I'll try to take a better pic from above the tub, but there's moisture on the lid making it hard for my phone to get a clear pic.
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I usually put my tubs into fruiting around 6-8days after spawning
It's hard to tell with the picture. But it seems it's ready for polyfill
True, the most I've left my previous dub tubs during the spawning phase was 14 days, because I wanted the surface to be fully covered.
I suppose I could fruit it now, but I wanna add a casing layer as well, and taGyo suggests letting it colonize completely (before casing) for a more even pinset.
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Hopefully these photos work soon, shroomery's been down for a while, has this ever happened before?
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Looks good mate! I see some aerial myc and some creeping up the liner and looks like a fairly colonized surface- white everywhere! Good job! I'd wait a few more days to fruit it.
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Awesome, thanks man! I was thinking 3 more days should be good, then I'll go ahead and case it!
I'm still debating whether I should fruit immediately after casing with the Jiffy mix or wait till the mycelium starts poking thru? Hmm...
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I'm still debating whether I should fruit immediately after casing with the Jiffy mix or wait till the mycelium starts poking thru? Hmm...
For Jiffy follow Frank's tek which I believe says 30% colonization.
I'd wait that extra three days and see if it whitens up.
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Psilosoulful said: Awesome, thanks man! I was thinking 3 more days should be good, then I'll go ahead and case it!
I'm still debating whether I should fruit immediately after casing with the Jiffy mix or wait till the mycelium starts poking thru? Hmm...
For Jiffy follow Frank's tek which I believe says 30% colonization.
I'd wait that extra three days and see if it whitens up.
I'll do that, thanks!
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Alright guys, it's about time to case this tub, I checked on it again and it smelled okay, no sour smell or anything. The surface is covered in a light mycelial network. It's not as thick as some of the other tubs I've seen, but that could be due to the strength of the culture I'm using. And, there is a tiny pin on the surface, as well as distinct knotting in some areas of the tub. I'll be prepping my jiffy casing mix and applying a thin layer over the surface tonight!!

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Soo no casing, not even a thin layer. There is only one tiny pin on the surface, but the rest of the surface looks like it did yesterday, just light mycelium.
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Case and fruit ,
To me that's blotchy, maybe I've never worked with a culture like that
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That's what I thought, lol, I'll be prepping the jiffy mix soon, pasteurize it, wait for it to cool down, then sprinkle it over the surface evenly. Then I'll let that colonize until I see the mycelium starts poking thru, then I'll fruit it and stuff the holes with polyfil 
Yeah, it was originally started from a brf paste jar back in June, I did a transfer from that to a new jar and let it grow out again. The syringe used was from my leftover grow, probably just bad genetics, that's why it's blotchy. Anyway I should have at least some decent fruits to clone come fruiting time!
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Day 10: Another tiny pin has popped up, cased with a thin layer of pasteurized jiffy mix( basically just sprinkled over the surface till no white was showing). I've read that late casings should be fruited immediately, because the tub has moved out of it's colonizing phase to the fruiting phase. Would keeping it in its colonizing phase for a bit longer (until the mycelium pokes thru to 30%) be beneficial and promote stronger fruit formation or will it confuse the sub and stall out? I think I am over-thinking this a bit , but I seem to be at a crossroads and don't know what to do. 


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That's what I was leaning towards doing. There was also a bit of knotting on the surface before I cased, which was a good indication that it's ready to be fruited. I'll be stuffing the holes with polyfill now and placing the tub under a skylight in my attic (75f during the day) to get some good natural lighting. It's fruiting time!!!
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I used to colonize and fruit under natural sunlight. IMO, keep them out of direct sunlight. It tends to heat up the tub and dry out the substrate. Indirect but strong light is best. Remember, you're limiting air that comes in so the direct light gets trapped and light is energy that converts into heat so the tub will end up getting hotter and hotter.
Just in case you were going to put them right in front of the light
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taGyo said: I used to colonize and fruit under natural sunlight. IMO, keep them out of direct sunlight. It tends to heat up the tub and dry out the substrate. Indirect but strong light is best. Remember, you're limiting air that comes in so the direct light gets trapped and light is energy that converts into heat so the tub will end up getting hotter and hotter.
Just in case you were going to put them right in front of the light 
Lol, yeah I know, last time I fruited under the skylight, I placed it behind where the suns ray's were hitting. Seems to really help the tub get going. My best grow was in the same location too. The only thing is that sometimes the temp in the room will climb to 80f. Not sure if I should keep it there or just leave it in my room(77f) where I had it originally. I don't think it'll make that BIG of a difference. I just want to get the best possible lighting for my mushies.
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Honestly I recommend shop lights, less light energy heat-related problems. Regardless, should be a great tub.
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Thanks I was thinking' of getting the daytime 6500K bulb and hanging it over the tub, but I think it'll be an overkill, I seem to have an adequate lighting source right now. Here's how things are looking so far. Bottom holes stuffed tight, and top holes kept loose.
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Thanks I'll have to adjust that polyfill to dial it in correctly, I think it might be on the thick side. I'm reading through Frank's tek now.
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Frank's folding tek has been a godsend for me. I use it to stuff my bottom and top holes as well as my jars. I just use varying degrees of starting thickness depending on my goals.
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That looks pretty damn perfect to me
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Just a quick update on the mono. I noticed the surface looks dry, with no visible moisture on the surface of the casing layer, and virtually no condensation on the sides of the tub. Also, the surface of the tub already looked dry before casing, so I think adding it only dried it out even more. Should I give the mono a nice misting, what do you guys think?



And the temp has climbed to 82f, hopefully that's not too hot and won't affect the first flush too bad. It's been a really hot summer and every room in my house is at least 77f.
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Yeah, dont let it go dry. Lightly mist 1-2 times a day.
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I'll give it a light misting then, I feel like the casing will benefit from it, given the fact that I fruited the tub right after applying it. Thanks guys.
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Casings shouldn't have a micro-beads of water.
Mist as needed Most likely once a day depending on your FAE. Just give it a good mist to make it all look a bit damp.
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Mist as needed Most likely once a day depending on your FAE. Just give it a good mist to make it all look a bit damp.
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Thanks for the heads up!! I misted the tub pretty well, I'm sure the pins will thank me for it!
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I fruit in the high 80's often. Doesn't seem to bother the fruits. They are tropical after all. Just make sure they're getting good FAE.
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Thanks man, I'll be updating soon, I already saw some new pins popping up after I gave the tub that misting and adjusted the polyfill 
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I fruit in the high 80's often. Doesn't seem to bother the fruits. They are tropical after all. Just make sure they're getting good FAE.
Yeah I was adjusting the polyfill earlier today. Should the bottom holes be stuffed as tight as possible or should there be some air-space? Frank's "how to dial in mono's" only showed how to stuff the top holes. I don't want to be suffocating my mushies. 
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Those pins are sexy! 

here is the sweet little cluster that became of those white knots on my other post
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Fuck you MS  Had to take polyfill out of the top holes because I may have over-misted the casing. Hopefully the second flush comes in stronger, but I seem to have gotten some shitty genetics here or just dirty spawn..
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Could be some sort of contam in the middle there. Kind of weird that the whole middle didn't pin like that.
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I know, I was like what the fuck , but the mycelium has permeated the casing layer almost completely. I'll keep the top holes open for now for max FAE. Then I'll stuff loosely with polyfill tomorrow morning, and hope for the middle to pin up.
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I'll keep an eye out for that, I might just stuff them loosely now as the surface seems to have evaporated a bit of the excess moisture.
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2nd flush coming in, hopefully they mature more before the caps start opening up.
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You could use a smidge of FAE in there.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Really? They look great to me
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Normally if my shrooms come out like that, even my GT, I increase FAE. Must be personal preference.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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I wasn't bashing in any way, Just going off the parallelity of the overall flush & the lack of fuzz at the base.
But like you said, personal preference.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
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Psilosoulful said: 2nd flush coming in, hopefully they mature more before the caps start opening up.

Second flush?!?!?
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Thanks!! It first started pinning around the edges, i picked those as the caps opened, then the middle started pinning up nicely. I'll be picking these out soon. Might make some fresh mush tea!
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i love how they are all so stout and well postured, beautiful man. i have rye bags of gt at 60% with beautiful growth, knocked on the 1st.
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: Case420]
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Thanks, the stems would have probably been thicker if I had fruited below 80f and not misted the casing layer soo much. Oh well, there's always the next grow. I got a decent yield, haven't weighed them out yet, hopefully the potency is good. My buddy tried 5 grams dried and said it was strong, but I'll have to try them for myself. I tossed the tub out this morning, the sub shrank from the sides by like two inches, and it just looked spent. I have a mini dub tub in the works that I'm excited about. The surface has knotted up a lot, I think I'll be getting some solid mushies from that. I'll make a new thread to track the progress.
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Case420 said: i have rye bags of gt at 60% with beautiful growth, knocked on the 1st.
Are you gonna spawn that to a monotub, I highly recommend it
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Case420 said: i have rye bags of gt at 60% with beautiful growth, knocked on the 1st.
Are you gonna spawn that to a monotub, I highly recommend it 
you remember those mini dubtub pics from my other post? those are the ones ima be using, we have 3 oat and hay fed horses and its hot in texas, so i have plenty of hpoo
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