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taGyo
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When you squeezed that coir was it at field capacity? You shouldn't have to squeeze water out for field cap, it should just be at field capacity. Have you seen the casing layer prep video where RR demonstrates field capacity?
This applies for coir as well:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation
My method comes from using the same stuff over and over so I can't give you an exact estimate for powder but bucket tek doesn't adjust for it so your water content may need to be added or removed as per field capacity. The goal is to just reach it, not go over and have to squeeze.
I went over once, squeezing out handfuls of water from coir into a bucket is boring and annoying.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22050054 - 08/05/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: When you squeezed that coir was it at field capacity? You shouldn't have to squeeze water out for field cap, it should just be at field capacity. Have you seen the casing layer prep video where RR demonstrates field capacity?
This applies for coir as well:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation
My method comes from using the same stuff over and over so I can't give you an exact estimate for powder but bucket tek doesn't adjust for it so your water content may need to be added or removed as per field capacity. The goal is to just reach it, not go over and have to squeeze.
I went over once, squeezing out handfuls of water from coir into a bucket is boring and annoying.
I usually add more water then is needed. I don't mind squeezing it out by the handful, only takes 15 minutes tops to fill up half a dozen jars for pasteurization. And, when I squeeze the over-hydrated coir, I wait till the water gets down to a couple of drops and the water pools up slightly around my fingers, just like in the video. Then I load my jars up.
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/05/15 08:36 PM)
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taGyo
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I'd honestly recommend trying both bucket tek and hydrating it to capacity with a more accurate measuring level. PCing coir is unnecessary. HOWEVER I think cronicr PCs his coir. I've left coir in a bucket for two weeks, opened it up and gave it a squeeze and used it for a tub that flushed beautifully.
I do a lot of tubs at once when I get going and squeezing out coir sounds a lot harder then having a beer while it cools down . Still, if 100ml of LC can work on a jar this should be fine
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22050355 - 08/05/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah it does sound easier, especially with multiple grows, I'll have to give the bucket tek another go around
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paperbackwriter
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Yeah, I dunk my grains. Bucket pasteurize my coir. Add gypsum to everything. Add coffee to my grain water while boiling.
I imagine each type of coir and each type of verm reaches field capacity with different amounts of water. I do the squeeze check but it's always looked close enough according to my understanding of Frank's teks. I'm going to watch that RR video though and try prepping it a bit on the dry side next run anyway just to see if it colonizes faster.
10 days at 1:1 or 1:2 without hitting full colonization sounds off from all I've read.
*edit* Okay, Frank said a hard squeeze should make a small stream. RR said a hard squeeze should make a few more drops. So yeah, probably too wet.
Thanks a lot taGyo!
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Psilosoulful

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Yeah, I've seen both videos, it can be hard to get it right sometimes (wish there was a more detailed video on the process). I think I've made most of my subs a little on the dry side. I'll need to improve for next time, and I'll definitely be dunking my grains as well.
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Psilosoulful

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(Day 8) There seems to be no visible moisture on the surface of the coir, but the sides are dripping with water down the sides of the liner, Is this normal? My substrate was probably on the dry side and my grains weren't dunked when I spawned it. Should I open it and mist the surface, I don't want the mycelium to stop growing. Thanks for the help guys. Hopefully these pics will enlarge when I post them..

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Syntheticwords
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Leave it alone! It will do the work for you
I usually put my tubs into fruiting around 6-8days after spawning
It's hard to tell with the picture. But it seems it's ready for polyfill
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NDStepp84
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Good luck brother!
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taGyo
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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: NDStepp84]
#22052792 - 08/06/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Better pic of the substrate would be nice.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
#22052934 - 08/06/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I figure I'm just being impatient. I'll try to take a better pic from above the tub, but there's moisture on the lid making it hard for my phone to get a clear pic.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: NDStepp84]
#22052968 - 08/06/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Syntheticwords said: Leave it alone! It will do the work for you
I usually put my tubs into fruiting around 6-8days after spawning
It's hard to tell with the picture. But it seems it's ready for polyfill
True, the most I've left my previous dub tubs during the spawning phase was 14 days, because I wanted the surface to be fully covered.
I suppose I could fruit it now, but I wanna add a casing layer as well, and taGyo suggests letting it colonize completely (before casing) for a more even pinset.
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NDStepp84 said:
Good luck brother!
Thanks!
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Psilosoulful

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Some better pics, taken from different angles


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taGyo
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Pics are really annoying. Use this site:
https://anonfiles.com/
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TravelAgency
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Still can't enlarge pics.... Grrr... Looks good from what I can tell
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Psilosoulful

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Hopefully these photos work soon, shroomery's been down for a while, has this ever happened before?
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/07/15 12:21 AM)
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TravelAgency
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Looks good mate! I see some aerial myc and some creeping up the liner and looks like a fairly colonized surface- white everywhere! Good job! I'd wait a few more days to fruit it.
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Psilosoulful

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Awesome, thanks man! I was thinking 3 more days should be good, then I'll go ahead and case it!
I'm still debating whether I should fruit immediately after casing with the Jiffy mix or wait till the mycelium starts poking thru? Hmm...
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/06/15 12:10 PM)
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derricklimes
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nice grow!
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Psilosoulful

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derricklimes said: nice grow!
Thanks man, I'll be fruiting it soon!
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