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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22047771 - 08/05/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



That's coir.

This is a few days before:





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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22047838 - 08/05/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Listen to taGyo.  He has more experience.  I've never seen a coir tub get 100% white personally.  So I've just been fruiting a few days after all the dark brown has turned light brown from myc.

But perhaps I'm just an impatient noob or my coir is too wet :shrug:




I've had this same thing happen to me as well. What kind of yields do you get from yours if you don't mind me asking? I've been wondering if there's a correlation between the full white tubs yields and the light white ones. Hoping I'll get at least a 12 oz yield on this tub.

Seriously, though, never seen a coir tub fully colonize.  :shrug:


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: amiablecelebi]
    #22047850 - 08/05/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just posted two pics.

I use natural sunlight for my tubs. This is not why they fully colonize though. Coir gets white like that, if I've ever seen anything else it means I have a contam and I normally get a flush and done.

I.E:



This was a contamed PESA tub.



Huge fruits, trich after the first flush. If it's not all white you can stand to let it colonize for longer. If it's not all white how can you have an even pinset?


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: amiablecelebi]
    #22047857 - 08/05/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks, thats what I figured too. I'll be following Frank's casing tek. I see that the tub he's using is fully white, hopefully mine gets there too! I'm guessing maybe a week from now, it should be ready to case.




I've had this same thing happen to me as well. What kind of yields do you get from yours if you don't mind me asking? I've been wondering if there's a correlation between the full white tubs yields and the light white ones. Hoping I'll get at least a 12 oz yield on this tub.

Seriously, though, never seen a coir tub fully colonize.  :shrug:



What size is your tub?

And this is Psilo's first mono.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22047875 - 08/05/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My tubs are 64 quart Sterilite. I use Damion5050 and Doc34's TEKs together. Should probably also mention I followed them both exactly.

Also, just fixed my post. It somehow quoted the wrong one? :confused: I know I clicked the right one. Weird shit.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: amiablecelebi]
    #22047889 - 08/05/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

12 oz in total, possibly. That's 4 oz a flush though so that's pretty high if you're working with MS and don't know the potential. Sometimes you may get like 5 oz first flush then 2 then 2 or 7 first flush then 2 then 1.
What variety? I had a Golden Teacher I gave to a friend put out damn near 6 ounces first flush.

It was pretty amazing. Tub so packed he couldn't put his hand in there to take out the liner.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22047905 - 08/05/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Another snow white substrate:



This was a culture that sucked all of the water in so it perpetually looked dry.



That's golden teacher. All coir.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22047906 - 08/05/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm rockin' Treasure Coast currently. They seem to produce pretty nice yields. I've also got a tub of Creeper, one PES Hawaiian, one Koh Samui, and one Golden Teacher.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: amiablecelebi] * 1
    #22047921 - 08/05/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Koh Samui is my favorite strain :smile:

TC, KS and GT have great yields. PESH has always been very potent for me.

Good selection :thumbup:


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22047930 - 08/05/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Haha, thanks, I did about two years of research before even starting this. Been a long time lurker here, and those were some of the most common strains I saw on here and on the streets if you catch my drift lol.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: amiablecelebi]
    #22047945 - 08/05/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just did my first agar transfers today- it's a lot of fun- enjoy!


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22047949 - 08/05/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha, thanks, I did about two years of research before even starting this. Been a long time lurker here, and those were some of the most common strains I saw on here and on the streets if you catch my drift lol.



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Just did my first agar transfers today- it's a lot of fun- enjoy!



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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22048607 - 08/05/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just did my first agar transfers today- it's a lot of fun- enjoy!



Awesome!! Can't wait to take some nice clones, I got a lot of plates to work with! :dancer:


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22048893 - 08/05/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm...  my tubs don't get that solid white until after they've been pinning for awhile.  They cover all the coir but it's a lot more wispy.  I haven't had any contams since I started using agar and have gotten multiple flushes of all my tubs.

My pinsets haven't been even but I've been dialing in my FAE/humidity ratios and just started using a casing layer and clones.

Anyway I guess I'll see if I'm just being impatient by letting some tubs consolidate and seeing how they look.  My other thought is that my substrate might be a tad on the wet side.  I'm just using the bucket tek and haven't bothered to play much with the ratios.

Thanks for the pics.  Certainly gives me food for thought on how to improve my methods :laugh:


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22049086 - 08/05/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hmm...  my tubs don't get that solid white until after they've been pinning for awhile.  They cover all the coir but it's a lot more wispy.  I haven't had any contams since I started using agar and have gotten multiple flushes of all my tubs.



Yeah I'm not expecting anything spectacular, since this tub was originally started from MS, but a few large mushrooms and dense clusters would be nice, so I could start printing/cloning and really dive into agar work.

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My other thought is that my substrate might be a tad on the wet side.  I'm just using the bucket tek and haven't bothered to play much with the ratios.



I always make sure my coir/verm is at field capacity before throwing it in mason jars to pasteurize. I believe RR has a short video explaining how to do it right, can't find the link tho. I squeeze it until a few drops come out, and there is some water pooled up at the fingers but not dripping. Also, it's better to be on the dry side, as you can always mist it later on.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22049677 - 08/05/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My sub is always perfect but that comes from experience.

I also dunk my grains for 20 minutes. I've noticed a vast improvement in colonization speeds and better pinset from dunking grains. I also use 2 handfuls of gypsum. I don't measure shit so I couldn't tell you how much it actually is but you will have to adjust the water levels for the gypsum. I think instead of using 4 qts I used 5 1/2 or something like that.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22049742 - 08/05/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think instead of using 4 qts I used 5 1/2 or something like that.



:woah: Is that per brick of coir?! I only used a cup and a half for the 9 quarts of coir/verm that I spawned to. I've read that it was supposed to be 5% of the total bulk substrate.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22049802 - 08/05/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Garden gypsum comes in pellet form. This pellet needs to absorb water to dissolve.

If I have two handfuls (And I have big hands) that takes away from the water content of the coir by expanding the gypsum. I usually do 4 qts at first, then pasteurzie it like that, get in there and break up the brick again.

At this point half or two thirds of the brick is decomposed and saturated. the rest is bright brown, like heat-treated but dry coir. That's when I get in there (And this fucking hurts) with gloves and break up the brick into pieces. I mix it up real good, some of the gypsum hasn't dissolved yet either, and get all of the bright brown stuff on top. Then I add another quart and a half to saturate the rest of the medium and give it a good shake to distribute the moisture.

Alternatively I could just pour the 5 1/2 qts but I like the way I do it. Makes me feel like I'm doing something.

There's street smarts and book smarts. I had book smarts before I got street smarts. Now I do whatever I want.
I bet you believe that you can't use 100mls of culture and colonize a jar properly.

My friend on this site did it and it colonized in under a week :wink:. Mushrooms grow themselves friends, I've said it before and I'll say it again:

95% of your flush is determined by genetics. The other 5% is shit like dunking, casing, evening out the coir, mixing properly and fucking with polyfill.


I never feel amazed when my mushrooms do well 'cause truthfully I didn't do shit but give them the chance to grow.

Here was my first 66 qt monotub and some bottle grows:





And those last pics are my first tub and I gave them a shit environment and they flourished. Noticed the caps fucked up like that? Not enough humidity.

This is a rare genetic off shoot of KSSS. I call them alien spaceships. A very well respected member here named Will cultivated these and called them Peyote.



That guy was 3.5gs dried. No disrespect intended here, I like you Psilo, you're gonna be a good member.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22049822 - 08/05/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly I would really advocate picking these guys brain:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14297019/gonew/1#UNREAD

They know what's up.


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Re: Psilo's First Mono [Re: taGyo]
    #22049851 - 08/05/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome pics (I can actually enlarge pics now, shroomery is healthy once again lol) I can't wait to find some good genetics via agar so I can expect some nice flushes for my future mono tubs :rockon:

I'm also using the powdered gypsum, not pellets, would I just add the same amount and mix it with the coir brick/verm, THEN hydrate it all, and squeeze it to field capacity?

Thanks for all the help, it's greatly appreciated. :thumbup:


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