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Cissy
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Are these panaeolus cinctulus? 1
#22036221 - 08/03/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Habitat: Growing on cow crap
Gills: Kinda brown, with black and grey spots
Stem: Thick with a browny red colour Cap: About 6 cm across
Spore print color: I did not take a spore print because I thought they were inactive and threw them out
Bruising: No visible bruising
I found these a while ago but threw them away because They didn't bruise but I later found out cinctulus doesn't always bruise? if that is correct?
 Thanks for any input
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velho


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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: Cissy] 1
#22036238 - 08/03/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They do look like them, but you need to take a spore print to be sure. They are Panaeolus anyhow.
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MidnightCity
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: velho] 2
#22036257 - 08/03/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, they are Panaeolus cinctulus. Panaeolina doesn't grow on manure.
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Cissy
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: velho] 1
#22036278 - 08/03/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What colour should the spore print be? As for the not bruising blue, is this because they have a low psilocybin content?
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Spxck
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: MidnightCity] 1
#22037093 - 08/03/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MidnightCity said: Yes, they are Panaeolus cinctulus. Panaeolina doesn't grow on manure.
Is Panaeolina used to describe any pan that's not active ? I'm unclear on this and I would love to know.
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MidnightCity
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: Spxck] 1
#22037124 - 08/03/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Spxck said:
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MidnightCity said: Yes, they are Panaeolus cinctulus. Panaeolina doesn't grow on manure.
Is Panaeolina used to describe any pan that's not active ? I'm unclear on this and I would love to know.
No, Panaeolina are a group of brown spored, inactive species within the genus Panaeolus.
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MidnightCity
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: Cissy] 1
#22037126 - 08/03/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cissy said: What colour should the spore print be? As for the not bruising blue, is this because they have a low psilocybin content?
Black and this species rarely bruises blue.
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EnergyTurtle
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: Cissy] 1
#22040989 - 08/04/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your spore print should be jet black, sometimes this will seem grey if only a small amount of spores are deposited. Blue bruising is caused by psilocin oxidation, and Panaeolus cinctulus only produces psilocin very rarely and in small amounts. P. cinctulus usually produces psilocybin instead, which is a metabolite of psilocin. The difference is that psilocybin is less potent by volume, but is infinitely more stable. You can store your P. cinctulus forever and it will have roughly the same amount of psilocybin that it started with. The psilocin, on the other hand, will start to degrade immediately (assuming that the cinctulus specimen managed to produce a small amount of psilocin.)
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Cissy
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: EnergyTurtle] 1
#22045578 - 08/05/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So if they don't produce psilocyn, it would still produce psilocybin? Is the trip from panaeolus cinctulus different from the trip from a psilocyn producing shroom? What about dosage? Thanks
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EnergyTurtle
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: Cissy] 1
#22047876 - 08/05/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know why this page is so hard to find, but this is the best page that the Shroomery has to offer as far as this species goes:
http://www.shroomery.org/12484/Panaeolus-cinctulus
You can see the huge variations in size and color, though the distribution map should be updated because P. cinctulus has been reported in all fifty of the United States.
I would not trust the recommended dosages listed on this page either. The potency of cinctulus specimens varies, not patch to patch, but individual mushroom to individual mushroom. I've been researching them a lot, and so far all of the tests that I've read have found 0% psilocin content, but psilocybin and baeocystin content can range anywhere from 0.01% to 0.7% by dry weight. They also produce a lot of "non-active" alkaloids that other "magic" mushrooms don't produce (at least not in noticeable quantities), like serotonin, 5-HTP, etc. Generally speaking, they aren't a very potent species, but individual mushrooms have the potential to be very potent. I'd be careful with dosage until you become familiar with their effects. Visibly bluing specimens are likely much more potent than non-bluing specimens, and most people say that P. cinctulus specimens that grow on dung are more potent as well.
-------------------- "You decadent pig. Where the fuck do you get the nerve to go around telling those wops that I'm crazy? You worthless cocksucker. My Italian tour is already arranged for next spring & I'm going to do the whole goddamn trip wearing a bright red field marshal's uniform & accompanied by six speed-freak bodyguards bristling with Mace bombs & when I start talking about American writers & the name Tom Wolfe comes up, by god, you're going to wish you were born a fucking iguana!" - Hunter S. Thompson, 03/03/71 Letter to Tom Wolfe.
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Cissy
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Re: Are these panaeolus cinctulus? [Re: EnergyTurtle] 1
#22056412 - 08/07/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man, thanks allot for going to the effort of finding that page, much appreciated. Pan. cinctulus seems a bit too unpredictable for my liking so far, I think I will stick to Pan, cyan an p. Cubensis for now
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