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Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations
    #22035432 - 08/02/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I made BRF cakes and in hindsight, I left the jars growing for a few too many days (many had mushrooms growing across not just pinning). Then dunk them, but made a mistake by not having the SGFC done before a night of tripping.. anyhow, they soaked for roughly 40 hours, without rotating them (as they floated).

Finished the tubs and baked my verm (previously opened bag). I just sprinkled verm rather then rolling to not kill the already growing mushrooms.

Today is day 2 in the chambers and have now noticed a few weird things:

1) White fuzz almost on an entire cake. I have read that can indicate too much mistings/not enough fanning, but the examples I saw were more isolated.

2) I blueish streak that possibly looks to come from the spray bottle. Maybe indicates bad water, but that is the only spot - plus I used purified drinking water?

3) Black spots on some caps. Maybe that's normal or indicating too much water or was from the bruising from the birthing?

I feel like these issues are just occurring due to my current misting habit (too much directly). But I am not sure of a better way to spray just the walls/perlite to keep the humidity up. Maybe I could just leave a couple of glasses of water too inside the chamber or put a humidifier in the closet by itself? Indoor humidity is >45% currently.

PS: I did attempt to search but did not find anything directly the same. Plus I would like to verify if I have contams, so I can address that asap. This is my first attempt at growing and first post :smile:

--EDIT-- I am supposedly growing Golden Teachers too as an fyi.








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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: kyij03]
    #22035461 - 08/02/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think you should toss them all.  The good thing is you have identified your mistakes.

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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: kyij03]
    #22035466 - 08/02/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

black stuff is spores bro. those cakes look a little upset.

spraying the walls won't do anything beneficial. spraying the cakes directly won't hurt them. mushrooms are 90% water. they need the moisture.

perhaps get us some pictures of the whole setup. something dont look right from the looks of your cakes.

also, please don't tell me this thing is in a closet


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: ShroominMe]
    #22035484 - 08/02/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You really think I should toss them all? Sucks as I started with 29 jars, 13 were contaminated (did not properly sterilize the shotglass to make the syringes from the print). But the 16 I did get (and growing right now, 8 in each jar) seemed perfectly fine. Plus I have had a lot of growth after the soaking, so I don't think they are dead (read somewhere spores/mushrooms die after 48 hours in water?).

Earlier today I was able to plant my contams outside so hopefully I get can get plenty of prints from those too.

--Edit--

Give me a few minutes and I will get more photos uploaded. Yes in  closet, but I feel like it should be fine (in my case)?


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22035537 - 08/02/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm, I was thinking spores grew under the mushroom, not on the top. I guess I will look into that more (I typically read more in depth when getting closer to those steps).

I am using 2* T8 6500K fluorescent bulbs on a 12/12 cycle. The tubs are sitting on a table making it closer to the light. Ambient house temp is around 72-76. I figured my opening/closing the closet is enough air circulation (plus it's open during the fanning). I am not keeping anything else (i.e, a sweeper) in there.















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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: kyij03]
    #22035591 - 08/02/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You really think I should toss them all? Sucks as I started with 29 jars, 13 were contaminated (did not properly sterilize the shotglass to make the syringes from the print). But the 16 I did get (and growing right now, 8 in each jar) seemed perfectly fine. Plus I have had a lot of growth after the soaking, so I don't think they are dead (read somewhere spores/mushrooms die after 48 hours in water?).

Earlier today I was able to plant my contams outside so hopefully I get can get plenty of prints from those too.

--Edit--

Give me a few minutes and I will get more photos uploaded. Yes in  closet, but I feel like it should be fine (in my case)?




Don't listen to the first poster. The streaks of black/purple are all spores. Is there a fan blowing on it? Maybe you spread the spores with misting. Harvest shrooms as soon as the veil breaks. That first cake does not look very good but I think it is mycelium. If you are going to make more cakes, try using a finer grade of verm though, just a suggestion :thumbup: When you use coarse verm as a dry barrier there are more gaps for contams to pass through and that might be why you got so many jars contamed.

Your FC is set up correctly. Move it out of that closet space to somewhere that it can get more fresh air. Mist twice a day and fan 3-5 times daily. Spray directly on cakes till moist but don't let water pool on cakes, check perlite by sticking finger in knuckle deep. If you don't feel water you need to mist more.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: bluegill]
    #22035626 - 08/02/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Spores don't magically appear on cakes without fruits. 

The small fruits shown have not dropped spores on the cakes on which they were born so it is nonsensical to speculate that they would fly to another cake in such a concentrated fashion.

13/29 contamination ratio is a valid indicator that your process needs improvement.

How do the cakes smell?


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: ShroominMe]
    #22035644 - 08/02/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Spores don't magically appear on cakes without fruits. 

The small fruits shown have not dropped spores on the cakes on which they were born so it is nonsensical to speculate that they would fly to another cake in such a concentrated fashion.

13/29 contamination ratio is a valid indicator that your process needs improvement.

How do the cakes smell?




Look at the perlite. There are obvious clues that those are spores, nothing to argue about.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: bluegill]
    #22035814 - 08/02/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A few years ago, a member mis-read the 24 hour dunk as a 24 day dunk.  The cakes survived.
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Don't worry about the dunk, just keep on keeping on bro. Those are spores, I can see the mushroom they came from, prob spread by your misting. My guess you had such a high contamination rate in the other jars making your syringe. You don't have to worry about humidity with a properly constructed sgfc, just mist till they glisten and fan right after 3 to 5 times  a day :goodluck:


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: bluegill]
    #22035819 - 08/02/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP dont throw away those cakes, they look a little stressed but fine.

probly more fresh air, and more misting.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: ShroominMe]
    #22036188 - 08/03/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Spores don't magically appear on cakes without fruits. 

The small fruits shown have not dropped spores on the cakes on which they were born so it is nonsensical to speculate that they would fly to another cake in such a concentrated fashion.

13/29 contamination ratio is a valid indicator that your process needs improvement.

How do the cakes smell?



You don't see that wide open cap on the second picture of the first set, then again the fourth pic down on the second set bottom left? On the cake with all the spores on it?


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: ShroominMe]
    #22036244 - 08/03/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Spores don't magically appear on cakes without fruits. 

The small fruits shown have not dropped spores on the cakes on which they were born so it is nonsensical to speculate that they would fly to another cake in such a concentrated fashion.

13/29 contamination ratio is a valid indicator that your process needs improvement.

How do the cakes smell?




Spoken like someone who doesn't know jack about air currents in fruiting chambers or how spores ride them. OP should definitely not toss those and you should refrain from telling someone to toss a grow until you have some idea what the hell you're looking at.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: k00laid]
    #22036246 - 08/03/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OP dont throw away those cakes, they look a little stressed but fine.

probly more fresh air, and more misting.




This.  The SGFC are too close to the wall as well as each other. This is impeding their function which is keeping the FAE lower as well as humidity.  Pull them away from the wall and each other so they have at least a foot of clearance on all sides. Also the holes in the chamber look a little small. Should be 1/4".


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22036295 - 08/03/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I hope that guy didn't really toss all his cakes :facepalm:

Edit: Assuming you didn't throw out your cakes you should probably cut down that foil under them to just big enough for the bottom of the cakes to rest on, you want as much of that perlite exposed as possible.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22037114 - 08/03/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No I did not toss them. I have spent way too much time to just listen to the first poster.. plus I would get prints worst case.

I will go ahead and pull the tubs away from each other some. The holes are a little small (~.2" rather than .25"); the size of the spare soldering iron's tip. At the time, I was in a struggle (during a comedown) to just get the tubs done, so I could get the cakes out of water.

Is there a way I can attempt to keep them in the closet? I don't really need to be a "stealth" grower but I often have nosey friends come over.. So maybe I can just keep the door open during the "daylight" hours? Plus I also assumed the closet would work better as a clean[er] room anyway.

Thanks for the tips.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: kyij03]
    #22037135 - 08/03/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Closets and SGFC don't mix. With smaller holes its really not going to work well. I suggest you pull them out of the.closet and make the holes a proper size. FAE is really important and believe it or not the holes in the bottom of the tub are what provides the humidity. Build the chamber and run it correctly if you want the best results.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22037226 - 08/03/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for letting me know, didn't realize that would be a problem. Do you know of a better fruiting method that would work well in a closet? Especially requiring little maintenance (so that I could leave for a day or two) without much consequence? I will also likely try bulk (i.e, spawn bags and coir) next go around.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: kyij03]
    #22037236 - 08/03/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Monotubs will do better in a closet. If you're looking at bulk monotubs are a great way to do it. They are also set and forget, you can leave them for a week with no problems.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22037468 - 08/03/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, I have quite a few bookmarks with those teks. But I already had the BRF cakes made, and I did not think it was the best route as I would have had to break up the cakes. Thanks


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: kyij03]
    #22037690 - 08/03/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea, I have quite a few bookmarks with those teks. But I already had the BRF cakes made, and I did not think it was the best route as I would have had to break up the cakes. Thanks



Breaking up the cakes(with a cheese grater) and spawning them to a pasteurized coir/verm mix is a GREAT route to take. :twocents:


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22041034 - 08/04/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I will likely just try the monotub next time and try a mix of spawn bags and break up jars (since I already have the tools).

Anyhow, I just picked most of the shrooms and will be giving the cakes a grace period until tonight to finish a lot of unripe (but close) shrooms. I did let a lot of them go too long, as I didn't realize how quick these monsters would grow, especially after weeks (with an incubator) in the jars. So I have a small mess of spores in the chamber, but do not believe this will be a problem? Or should I remove any perlite/foil that contains the spores?

And now with the picked mushrooms: Should I worry about cleaning them, since they have spores on them? Also, I will have a nice dehydrator tomorrow, are shrooms fine to just sit out until I get it, ~40 hours from now?

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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: kyij03]
    #22041062 - 08/04/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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And now with the picked mushrooms: Should I worry about cleaning them, since they have spores on them? Also, I will have a nice dehydrator tomorrow, are shrooms fine to just sit out until I get it, ~40 hours from now?

Thanks again!



You can dry the mushrooms with spores on them. The last batch I had, there was a bit of a spore-explosion because I picked them late. No big deal tho, I just dried them in my dehydrator for 12 hours until cracker dry. They taste pretty bad tho compared to normal dried cubes.

In your case, don't just leave them sitting around, place them on a dish and use a fan to air-dry them. Then when you use your dehydrator, they should be almost completely dry. Remember, before you store them, make sure the stem and cap crack in half with little resistance. You don't want any squishy stems/caps when storing, it will lose potency over time and may begin to rot.


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Re: Day 2 in SGFC (BRF Cakes) - Several Odd Colors/Formations [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22041862 - 08/04/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Listen to pasty. A sgfc should be in the middle of an open room.

For next time you can actually wash spores off fruits. I do it EVERY time I get a sporesplosion. It's never ruined fruits, it's way better tasting, and better looking than leaving fruits black.

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