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Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub?
    #22035260 - 08/02/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have used a reptile fogger with a humidistat sensor for cakes with great success on my first grow attempt. It was almost a completely automated operation other than misting the walls maybe once a day for good measure. I also had a homemade ultrasonic humidifier for FAE, as it wasn't enough to humidify to optimum levels, I found that the forced air combined with only having holes toward the bottom of the terrarium pushed out stale co2 rich air and replaced it with fresh humid air. I had it on a timer because I heard that some co2 is needed. The combination of fogger and humidifier took care of RH and FAE.

With my minimal experience (and only with cakes), my question to the experienced cultivators is would this type of setup work with a monotub? It seems that if I only drilled the low holes and replaced the top holes with a fogger and/or ultrasonic humidifier on a timer that I could force the stale co2 rich air out of the bottom with fresh humid air, maybe taking away the need for misting and fanning? I could also maintain perfect humidity levels because the humidistat sensor is very accurate and kicks the fogger on when RH falls below the set %.

I am gone most of the day for work and have to rely on largely automated methods to achieve success. Any comments, suggestions?


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22035426 - 08/02/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I have used a reptile fogger with a humidistat sensor for cakes with great success on my first grow attempt. It was almost a completely automated operation other than misting the walls maybe once a day for good measure.



Misting the walls of a FC is pointless...just sayin, just the cakes, not the walls.

Evaporation off the substrates surface is a main pinning trigger.

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I also had a homemade ultrasonic humidifier for FAE,



Ultrasonic humidifiers do not produce FAE, the only produce mist/fog.

FAE should be passive, and the chamber should do that on it's own.

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I found that the forced air combined with only having holes toward the bottom of the terrarium pushed out stale co2 rich air and replaced it with fresh humid air.



If you built a proper fruiting chamber, co2 would be expelled out of the holes in the top of the chamber naturally, riding the heat and humidity currents generated by the cakes.

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I had it on a timer because I heard that some co2 is needed. The combination of fogger and humidifier took care of RH and FAE.



For colonization you want really high co2 levels, but for fruiting you want extremely low co2 levels.

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With my minimal experience (and only with cakes), my question to the experienced cultivators is would this type of setup work with a monotub?



No, monotubs are made to be set and forget, and fully automated by nature.

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It seems that if I only drilled the low holes and replaced the top holes with a fogger and/or ultrasonic humidifier on a timer that I could force the stale co2 rich air out of the bottom with fresh humid air, maybe taking away the need for misting and fanning?



Monotubs do not have a problem with stale co2 ridden air, if done right....nor do they require any sort of misting/fanning, if done right.

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I could also maintain perfect humidity levels because the humidistat sensor is very accurate and kicks the fogger on when RH falls below the set %.



See, in a monotub there is a huge a mount of colonized bulk substrate material which generates a ton of heat, this means there will be condensation that forms on the surface.  This condensation is constantly evaporating off the substrate, because you stuffed the holes with polyfill in a certain fashion. You do not want a constantly high RH level, you want a natural fluctuation, to make room in the air for evaporation to occur, and then the cycle repeats itself.

You want the surface of the substrate to always look like this:

   

Tiny droplets of moisture constantly evaporating off.

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I am gone most of the day for work and have to rely on largely automated methods to achieve success. Any comments, suggestions?



Follow Franks Monotub tek found in my signature.....Monotubs are fully automated by nature. Do not try and modify the functionality of a monotub.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22035751 - 08/02/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You didn't understand the monotub TEK if you want to make it less automated than it already was made to be.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22035781 - 08/02/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome. Thanks for the help! Also, I have 4 5lb spawn bags with a 5-grain mixture I bought off of a site (not sure if naming sites is a no-no)incubating. I have searched a few times for spawn/casing ratios for spawning to bulk, but I'm still unclear on how much casing mix I should prepare or if I should just mix more than enough and fill it to the 3-4" mark. My plan is to use the recipe in RR's video about casing, 10 parts verm, 10 parts peat moss, 1 part calcium carbonate, 1 part gypsum and thought about adding some crushed oyster shell. Is this the best substrate and is the oyster shell necessary?

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Follow Franks Monotub tek found in my signature



Is this under "franks tek list" or is it the "monotub" link?

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You didn't understand the monotub TEK if you want to make it less automated than it already was made to be.



Definitely in the process of understanding it. I'm definitely learning the whole don't overthink it aspect of it all!:grin:

Thanks again! I always try to read before posting so I don't add unnecessary threads, I just get bogged down with info overload and have a hard time separating bs from legit knowledge.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22035800 - 08/02/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also still learning how to navigate the Shroomery and where to look to find good knowledge. It's a lot to take in at first.:crazy:


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22035825 - 08/02/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You could probably make some kind of Sterilite greenhouse using an USH, a computer fan, and a short cycle timer.  Not much reason to do it since it's more expensive and more complex than a mono, while being equally effective for cubensis.  Maybe for growing species something with a massive FAE requirement.  Might as well just make a fullscale greenhouse.

1:1.5 to 1:2 is a pretty standard spawn ratio.  1 brick of coir should be just about right for your spawn in a 60~qt tub.  I would use a coir verm casing for your first casing layer, it's much easier.  Peat needs to be sifted through, have clumps broken up, and masaged a bit with the verm.  Just save 1qt of of your damion80/20 substrate and leave it in your fridge (had some bag luck with room temp coir going bacterial.)  Once your tub colonizes nuke it for about 5-7 minutes in a bowl with a cracked lid, then add another quart of field capacity verm, and apply it to your colonized substrate once it's cool.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22035829 - 08/02/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Awesome. Thanks for the help! Also, I have 4 5lb spawn bags with a 5-grain mixture I bought off of a site (not sure if naming sites is a no-no)incubating. I have searched a few times for spawn/casing ratios for spawning to bulk, but I'm still unclear on how much casing mix I should prepare or if I should just mix more than enough and fill it to the 3-4" mark. My plan is to use the recipe in RR's video about casing, 10 parts verm, 10 parts peat moss, 1 part calcium carbonate, 1 part gypsum and thought about adding some crushed oyster shell. Is this the best substrate and is the oyster shell necessary?



First of all, there is a huge difference between casing layers and bulk substrates......nobody grows mushrooms on "casings".

A bulk substrate is the main thing the grain spawn/cakes colonize.

A casing layer is just a non nutritious top layer, usually applied to an already fully colonized bulk substrate.

So lets not get those two terms confused again.

Bulk substrate  materials: Coir/manure/straw/verm/calcium sulfate/etc.

Casing layer materials: Verm/peat moss/jiffy mix/oyster shell/calcium carbonate/etc.

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Is this under "franks tek list" or is it the "monotub" link?



The first, but read both.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22035842 - 08/02/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Once your tub colonizes nuke it for about 5-7 minutes in a bowl with a cracked lid



Microwave ovens have no place in this hobby.....they do not sterilize nor do they pasteurize anything.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22035866 - 08/02/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Then there is no need to treat casing layers at all.  If it does nothing, anyone who had success with a microwave tek might as well have cased with raw materials?

How is heating the material via heating water not a legitimate strategy? :camping:


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22035990 - 08/02/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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1:1.5 to 1:2 is a pretty standard spawn ratio.  1 brick of coir should be just about right for your spawn in a 60~qt tub.  I would use a coir verm casing for your first casing layer, it's much easier.  Peat needs to be sifted through, have clumps broken up, and masaged a bit with the verm.  Just save 1qt of of your damion80/20 substrate and leave it in your fridge (had some bag luck with room temp coir going bacterial.)  Once your tub colonizes nuke it for about 5-7 minutes in a bowl with a cracked lid, then add another quart of field capacity verm, and apply it to your colonized substrate once it's cool.




Thanks. I'm assuming the amount of substrate just depends on how thick you want the mycelium and how long you are willing to wait for 100% colonization?


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22036012 - 08/03/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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First of all, there is a huge difference between casing layers and bulk substrates......nobody grows mushrooms on "casings".

A bulk substrate is the main thing the grain spawn/cakes colonize.

A casing layer is just a non nutritious top layer, usually applied to an already fully colonized bulk substrate.

So lets not get those two terms confused again.

Bulk substrate  materials: Coir/manure/straw/verm/calcium sulfate/etc.

Casing layer materials: Verm/peat moss/jiffy mix/oyster shell/calcium carbonate/etc.




My bad, I had a brain fart:crazy:.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22036058 - 08/03/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



:fuckinawesome:


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22036254 - 08/03/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How is heating the material via heating water not a legitimate strategy? :camping:



Can you control exactly how hot said material gets in a microwave?

No, you cannot.

Can a microwave get anything past 100c?

No, it cannot.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22036363 - 08/03/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's a brief spike to boiling, then the heat should dissipate into the non-water elements of the casing and hold it at some approximation of pasteurization temps? The smaller the quantity used the faster it cools and the less effective it will be.

I've not had a problem nuking casing or small amount of coir bulk sub for trays.  Any time it's contamed, there's been something nasty under it.

Roadkill, Violet, Agar, Fooman, FunFungi (whoever that is) all seem to use microwave casing prep.

Is it your contention that microwaving is worse than doing nothing at all?  Honestly I haven't had the occasion to test it side-by-side with non-prepped casing.

I assumed the microwave prep was used to drop the microorganism load in the casing to allow easier colonization, regardless of how precise it was about selecting what it was killing.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: stevo]
    #22036475 - 08/03/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The only thing a microwave does in this hobby is melt agar that has already been sterilized.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22036586 - 08/03/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's wrong.
Maybe that's just all YOU do with a microwave.


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: Violet]
    #22036920 - 08/03/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How necessary is a casing layer? Or is it just preference? I know its there for moisture retention, is that it's only purpose?


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Re: Humidifier for RH and FAE in monotub? [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22036991 - 08/03/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The benefit of casing layers grows with the instability of humid conditions and with the richness of the substrate's nutrition. For most bulk substrate applications with Cubensis, it is essentially unnecessary


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