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Completely strange growth - Malabar
#22035029 - 08/02/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is my second grow with Malabar and both times I've gotten this growth just overtaking every inch of my casing layer.




As you can see pins are coming in now, my last grow produced about 64 oz wet. Here's a picture of my last malabar grow results and it looked very similar with this growth.


Hope things work out as good this time. Anyone else ever grow this strain and have this growth? It's pretty interesting. Never have seen anything like it.
BTW it smells really normal and a strong mushroom oder.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035062 - 08/02/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brefeldia maxima, Maybe? Strange, don't normally see that in cube cult. What's your bulk sub?
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stroma maybe?
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: cronicr]
#22035113 - 08/02/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My sub is just coir and verm.
Also, I have two other tubs next to this that are completely normal looking. I grew a few other tubs with my last grow too and only this strain is making this weird growth. Same vendor and everything so I'm chalking it up to genetics.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035121 - 08/02/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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look up stroma and compare it
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035126 - 08/02/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I seriously doubt that what you're dealing with is genetic mutation of cubensis mycelium. Defnitely some sort of slime mold or other fungus.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035288 - 08/02/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've got malabar, and for what it's worth, I've seen that same growth. Yours is maybe a little more pronounced, but same basic appearance. I've been assuming it was aerial myccellium, or just some kind of consolidation of the casing layer that was otherwise normal. I even broke off a little chunk, and it smelled just like fresh mushrooms.
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TheMustardTiger said: I seriously doubt that what you're dealing with is genetic mutation of cubensis mycelium. Defnitely some sort of slime mold or other fungus.
Mold just happens to grow on only this strain 2 times? Also people have reported this growth on this strain. I looked it up last time I grew and had it happen. Just seems like that can't be true.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: biocurious]
#22035304 - 08/02/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've also grown cubes, and thats not how its supposed to look. not 100% sure its stroma either, unless stroma has many variances, looks really cool in its own freaky way tho!
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: biocurious]
#22035306 - 08/02/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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biocurious said: I've got malabar, and for what it's worth, I've seen that same growth. Yours is maybe a little more pronounced, but same basic appearance. I've been assuming it was aerial myccellium, or just some kind of consolidation of the casing layer that was otherwise normal. I even broke off a little chunk, and it smelled just like fresh mushrooms.
Yup, nothing smells off, and it bruises blue when my wife drops the lid on it by accident (thanks wife).
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035320 - 08/02/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheMustardTiger said: I seriously doubt that what you're dealing with is genetic mutation of cubensis mycelium. Defnitely some sort of slime mold or other fungus.
Mold just happens to grow on only this strain 2 times? Also people have reported this growth on this strain. I looked it up last time I grew and had it happen. Just seems like that can't be true.
And you've never considered that the spores from this contamination are floating around your grow area and your sterile technique has allowed it to infiltrate on 2 occasions? If it is cube myc, it looks like shit and I would switch to something that doesn't look like that.
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spacechildo said: I've also grown cubes, and thats not how its supposed to look. not 100% sure its stroma either, unless stroma has many variances, looks really cool in its own freaky way tho!
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audiophoenix said:
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TheMustardTiger said: I seriously doubt that what you're dealing with is genetic mutation of cubensis mycelium. Defnitely some sort of slime mold or other fungus.
Mold just happens to grow on only this strain 2 times? Also people have reported this growth on this strain. I looked it up last time I grew and had it happen. Just seems like that can't be true.
And you've never considered that the spores from this contamination are floating around your grow area and your sterile technique has allowed it to infiltrate on 2 occasions? If it is cube myc, it looks like shit and I would switch to something that doesn't look like that.
Ok, Lets consider the facts
1) I have grown this 2 times both side by side with other cubes that do not contain this growth.
2) The growth did not seem to affect the actual growth of healthy fruit bodies.
3) I'm not the only one that has this growth on this particular strain.
4) I've never seen this growth in my years of growing on any other strain or grow.
5) nothing is discolored and it doesn't smell like anything other than mycelium.
At the end of the day, if I get a good 3 flushes like I did last time I don't care what it looks like.
I would like to consider the possibility that this could simply be a characteristic of this strain as I see no other evidence that this is a mold or fungi other than it just looks weird.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035424 - 08/02/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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interesting, I just started some Malabar on agar and none of my dishes germinated except one, and it exploded. I can tell it is a very fast growing strain. Be interesting if I get the same results.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: DeTwizzle]
#22035459 - 08/02/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeTwizzle said: interesting, I just started some Malabar on agar and none of my dishes germinated except one, and it exploded. I can tell it is a very fast growing strain. Be interesting if I get the same results.
Yeah, my jars (MS) were very aggressive and fast. Just ripped right through my grain.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035483 - 08/02/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're not interested in others' opinions, why did you post in the first place? You seem quite dismissive.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: ShroominMe]
#22035495 - 08/02/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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my eyes are rolling so far to the back of my head i am checking my own ass out
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: ShroominMe]
#22035570 - 08/02/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ShroominMe said: If you're not interested in others' opinions, why did you post in the first place? You seem quite dismissive.
Because it's interesting...
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix] 1
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funny how you can tell by someone's sig that they're a pubber
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22035849 - 08/02/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would it be possible for it to have been stroma to for the shapes but was overtaken by the fast and aggressive malabar myc? Idk much about stroma but from searching and looking at pictures it does look similar to this, but IMO(which isn't much since I'm pretty new to this) if last time the same thing happened and it flushed like in the pic more power to you.
I'm very interested to see how it flushes/is affected by the weird growth pattern whatever it may be. Keep us posted on results, also it would t hurt to scope some of it a see if it's all myc or stroma/combo. Try cutting a blob with a knife to see the inside, it would still bruise outside from the myc on top, if it bruises inside too then you just have the craziest looking/behaving myc I've seen in my show time in the hobby.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: cronicr]
#22036136 - 08/03/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: jbaby007]
#22036146 - 08/03/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was just teasing best of luck and keep us posted
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: cronicr]
#22044295 - 08/04/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So here's an update as promised.
EDIT: For some reason the pics don't work so here's an imgur album instead. LINK
I'm not 100% convinced this is just random mycelium growth, but perhaps it's this mycelium reacting to something in my air a certain way.





Looks like an okay pin set. maybe not as great as last time I grew em, but I'll take it.
Also a bonus comparison picture to a tub I have growing right next to this which was prepped in the exact same way.

Edited by audiophoenix (08/04/15 09:16 PM)
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22044615 - 08/04/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm still hooked on it being fucked
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: cronicr]
#22064249 - 08/08/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I didn't get another photo because my wife harvested. It was 3.5 dry oz so I'm good with that. Second flush is pin in now so I'll update on that soon.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22064256 - 08/08/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22064284 - 08/08/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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so you said your last tub with the badass wall to wall pinset had the same affliction? i dont see any on the harvested part of that tub though. did it just disappear like as the fruits grew bigger or did it come up when you were harvesting?
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: cronicr]
#22064610 - 08/08/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i'm still hooked on it being fucked
Dude that's stroma lol. Look at the way the mushrooms push the fluffy white growth up?
I had it on my cake:
 
It's worth noting that I have a Malabar syringe and it's contamed as fuck and all growth I get from it looks fucked from the get-go.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: taGyo]
#22064644 - 08/08/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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looks cool, might be mutants, keep some it for dna testing if it fruits all the way
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: god2hateyou]
#22064649 - 08/08/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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god2hateyou said: looks cool, might be mutants, keep some it for dna testing if it fruits all the way
where do you come up with this stuff lol?
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: god2hateyou]
#22064652 - 08/08/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bet the reason why the tub is so full is the stroma is acting like a casing layer 
I'm pretty sure God2 is a puppet.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: Mdahmer]
#22064711 - 08/08/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: I bet the reason why the tub is so full is the stroma is acting like a casing layer 
I'm pretty sure God2 is a puppet.
Not my puppet. I'm not new to this site and I'm not that concerned about this shit that I would pull that.
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Dude that's stroma lol. Look at the way the mushrooms push the fluffy white growth up?
I had it on my cake:
 
It's worth noting that I have a Malabar syringe and it's contamed as fuck and all growth I get from it looks fucked from the get-go.
You are likely right.
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Mdahmer said: so you said your last tub with the badass wall to wall pinset had the same affliction? i dont see any on the harvested part of that tub though. did it just disappear like as the fruits grew bigger or did it come up when you were harvesting?
Yeah it was not as crazy as this one to being with, but it was certainly there and in the same patterns. It basically was such a heavy pin set that it pushed it all up. We had some caps with the stuff on them.
I guess I don't know enough about Stroma to make the call myself. I picked a couple pieces off and played with it to see if I could tell what it was. Smells strong like mushroom, bruises blue and is meaty feeling. I don't know if that still fits into the Stroma category but it's just a weird thing.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22066517 - 08/09/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah bro, it's stroma 
I'm surprised you're getting pinsets like that but honestly I really think it's acting like a casing layer.
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cryptofgod said: Weird looking cubensis?

Anyone have any suggestions? Or are they looking good
That is some insane aerial myc! 
This occurs when you don't have enough FAE in your chamber. The mycelium is stretching to try to reach fresh air.
This is bacteria:
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Fuzzy

More Fuzzy

Notice how it looks different? Bacteria blobs up and aerial myc comes out in strands. A bacteria cake will still fruit given more time and the fruits from this cake are safe to eat.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: taGyo]
#22066543 - 08/09/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why has no one told him to eat it and report back yet?
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: maddchef]
#22067707 - 08/09/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I ate it and I am now gay.
In other news. I am pretty sure you fellas saying it's stroma are correct. I have never researched it and now that I've had some time, I have been able to pretty much confirm it. So thanks for the pointers everyone.
So my theory on why I got it on this strain is this. Both times I've grown it they were the first jars to be completely colonized. They were also the first tubs to be completely colonized. Since stroma happens when you wait too long to fruit, I'm guessing that I delayed too long with these tubs and waited for the others to become colonized when I should have just fruited this first and left the others to catch up.
So for those who are growing Malabar, keep an eye on your timing I guess because I have seen others have the issue with this variety and I'm guessing it may be the timing.
I pulled the clumps off the surcace of the tub and now it looks fairly normal. I am seeing pins starting already so hopefully it's not a loss.
Someone in another thread said that stroma is potent and you can eat it. Does anyone have any idea if that's bullshit?
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: cronicr]
#22067793 - 08/09/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't fucking eat the stroma.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: taGyo]
#22067834 - 08/09/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22067853 - 08/09/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or eat it and get sick as fuck.
Your call.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: taGyo]
#22067858 - 08/09/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah, I won't be eating it. Just made me wonder when I heard someone else talk about it. Seemed sketchy is all.
BTW, the GIF was representing me mid eating it and reading your comment. Wasn't meant to be a snarky comeback. Just a joke.
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Re: Completely strange growth - Malabar [Re: audiophoenix]
#22067862 - 08/09/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I liek ur avatar.
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