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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22036540 - 08/03/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Personally I'd go ahead and case it with coir + verm. No more difficult than preparing the bulk substrate, unlike the large quantities of other materials that you don't need a peat casing would require. It's not quite as good, but I think most would agree it's better than not casing. You'd probably spend the casing colonization time consolidating anyway.
Just save a 1-1.5 quarts of 80/20 sub in the fridge, add another 1qt of hydrated verm to it, mix, and case both tubs. Some don't even both er upping the verm. It definitely won't be as beneficial with as with grais through, so don't sweat it if you skip out.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Darkhome]
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22036758 - 08/03/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, you will be fine mixing different strains, the strongest mycelium will grow over the weaker one and only one strain will produce fruits.
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spacechildo
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22036896 - 08/03/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol, no.
they're all cubes, they'll grow together. why do people keep saying this shit nowadays? who started it?
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: spacechildo]
#22036959 - 08/03/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Soo you're saying that 3 different varieties can all grow together in the same tub? Interesting..
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/03/15 10:24 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22037024 - 08/03/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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of course, they're all cubes. what happened when you mixed varieties, and how could you tell 1 was taking over the tub?
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: spacechildo]
#22037062 - 08/03/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I actually haven't mixed varieties before, but I've heard TC's say that the stronger mycelium will grow faster than the others in the same tub and one type of variety will be expressed. But, a half PE/ golden teacher tub would be interesting tho.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22037083 - 08/03/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The thing is that the agressive mycelium will be present in both strains and when two different sets meet they may decided to fruit together in concert. So it won't even be as clear as you think, some will fruit together and some won't.
Hell some of them may fuse together and exchange information. Its all the same species. When you have a few million strains in a tub, lots can happen.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: spacechildo]
#22037088 - 08/03/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22037121 - 08/03/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said:
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spacechildo said: lol, no.
they're all cubes, they'll grow together. why do people keep saying this shit nowadays? who started it?
Haha awesome. Could be a pretty cool looking tub then once it starts fruiting. I'll have to post some pics of what happens.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22037122 - 08/03/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by RenegadeBlue (09/15/16 06:08 AM)
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22037153 - 08/03/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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With ms its still a crapshoot. So yields will be unpredictable with it. Some people are doing controlled crosses to get specific results. If you look at the tubs in my sig they are a cross that produces luecistic fruits with brown spores. I am almost done stabilizing them.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22037174 - 08/03/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: With ms its still a crapshoot. So yields will be unpredictable with it. Some people are doing controlled crosses to get specific results. If you look at the tubs in my sig they are a cross that produces luecistic fruits with brown spores. I am almost done stabilizing them.
That's freaking awesome!!! The cross in the tubs in your sig...I mean
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22037273 - 08/03/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said: Is there also a chance of reduced yield from using multiple strains because they are all going to be duking it out to take over the sub?
2 grain jars of cubensis with different labels on them wont duke it out any more then 2 grain jars marked "cambodian" will. both are still cubes.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: spacechildo]
#22037667 - 08/03/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by RenegadeBlue (09/15/16 06:08 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22037697 - 08/03/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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dont fan a mono. maybe if you just misted heavily but..
theset and forget is for when you have a mono perfectly dialed in. on your way to figuring out wwhat dialed in is like in your conditions you may have to mist a tub a cpl times if you had too much fae going and it started drying.
a casing layer allows you to pump up the fae without drying the sub out.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: spacechildo]
#22037777 - 08/03/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by RenegadeBlue (09/15/16 06:09 AM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22037786 - 08/03/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Never mist walls mist the sub. The sub needs the water, the walls don't care either way.
High 90's for RH is only needed in the microclimate at the substrate surface. Forget the other bs you read.
You introduce a million contams when you spawned it. Spawn run and fruiting are not sterile processes.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22037847 - 08/03/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by RenegadeBlue (09/15/16 06:11 AM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22037863 - 08/03/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its gonna depend a lot on how you dial it in, how thick a sub you use, if you case, etc. I have never once fanned a mono. I do mist if needed. What you should do is start a grow log and post pics daily. People can then tell you what you need to work on.
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