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RenegadeBlue
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Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation *DELETED*
#22034629 - 08/02/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22034648 - 08/02/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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IMO the benefits of adding coffee to the sub are minimal and you'll do just fine with the basic coir/verm/gypsum mix. CLEAN spawn and good genetics is a lot more important than using additives in your bulk substrate, in terms of fruiting potential.
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/02/15 06:01 PM)
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Darkhome
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22034654 - 08/02/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I left out the coffee... I'm relatively new to bulk myself...I worried it might cause contams, but I don't drink coffee either... CV...will do fine by themselves...I did start adding Gypsum...so CVG Just my newb opinion
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Darkhome]
#22034668 - 08/02/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you want to get the most out of your bulk subs, look into mixing in some hpoo, as it is the optimal mushroom substrate. Make sure to ALWAYS properly pasteurize at 140-160f for 1 hour when adding manure. A good ratio is 40% coir, 40% hpoo, 15% verm, and 5% gypsum.
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/02/15 06:06 PM)
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22034680 - 08/02/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: If you want to get the most out of your bulk subs, look into mixing in some hpoo, as it is the optimal mushroom substrate.
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RenegadeBlue
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22034827 - 08/02/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: cronicr]
#22034833 - 08/02/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: If you want to get the most out of your bulk subs, look into mixing in some hpoo, as it is the optimal mushroom substrate.

I've been deceived then!!! I really thought hpoo was > coir. Oh well.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22034839 - 08/02/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've seen no evidence to support anybody saying horse manure is better then coir other then price
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22034861 - 08/02/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RenegadeBlue said:
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Psilosoulful said: IMO the benefits of adding coffee to the sub are minimal and you'll do just fine with the basic coir/verm/gypsum mix. CLEAN spawn and good genetics is a lot more important than using additives in your bulk substrate, in terms of fruiting potential.
Thanks man. One more quick question here. So I'm going to be moving 20 BRF cakes into 2 minimonos. I was going to grind them up with a cheese grater as I've heard this is the best method. When you say clean spawn, is this just spawn that is free of any contams? Or is there some additional steps that I should take before adding my spawn to my substrate to make sure it is clean? Thanks again!
Yes, make sure it's free of contams by birthing the cakes and inspecting them. Any weird discolorations should be a red flag. It should also smell like fresh mushies too, that's a good sign. Did you inoculate those cakes with an MS syringe, because syringes are never 100% sterile. If you were to start those spores on agar then you'd have a better chance at 100% clean spawn. Not to worry tho, many cultivators fruit through most contams with no problems. Any pics btw?
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: cronicr]
#22034866 - 08/02/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i've seen no evidence to support anybody saying horse manure is better then coir other then price
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful] 1
#22034892 - 08/02/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i love my manure subs but even with isolates i can't see any diff from cow manure to horse manure to coir to straw other then straw puts out some pretty dam big fruits but yield wise the numbers were all pretty dam close, i think texture and moisture content play a bigger role myself
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22035011 - 08/02/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If your cakes are fully colonized with no visible contams, then you shouldn't have any problems using them in your bulk substrate. The environment where you mix up the spawn and bulk sub doesn't need to be sterile, almost all cultivators mix their tubs in open air with no problems (just make sure your cakes are 100% colonized). Your bulk mix itself should be pasteurized properly before using with your spawn. I follow Frank Horrigan's Pasteurization tek, and it's super easy! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22035265 - 08/02/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by Psilosoulful (08/02/15 08:48 PM)
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22035957 - 08/02/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whatever the benefits of coffee may be, it's a trichsplosion waiting to happen if you don't prep it properly and inoculate it well. Unless your tub is expendable (which given that you're using cakes, it probably isn't) I wouldn't try it.
Spongiform likes adding coffee grounds to his PF cakes, and he's the God of PF tek. Seems like a safer place to add it to me.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (08/02/15 11:43 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: cronicr]
#22036027 - 08/03/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i love my manure subs but even with isolates i can't see any diff from cow manure to horse manure to coir to straw other then straw puts out some pretty dam big fruits but yield wise the numbers were all pretty dam close, i think texture and moisture content play a bigger role myself
I agree. Even tho I find a diverse substrate makes for a healthy nice looking sub, it usually doesn't really translate into higher yields or nothing. I have a clone that puts out 175% BE first flush on coir just fine.
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22036031 - 08/03/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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if there really was a difference you'd be able to find a thread with a side by side that shows it.
I think I like it more than the mushrooms do, a good mix looks pretty fluffy and sweet to colonize! if i didnt know where it came from i'd chow down some myself
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RenegadeBlue
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Edited by RenegadeBlue (09/15/16 06:04 AM)
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Darkhome
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Re: Question Around Bulk Substrate Preparation [Re: RenegadeBlue]
#22036499 - 08/03/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can fruit them without a casing...I just did a 27q Mini-Mono... If you decide to case...this is easiest IMO
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18880716
They do better with a casing...if you are doing PE...definitely case
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Edited by Darkhome (08/03/15 06:42 AM)
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