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Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime
    #22034533 - 08/02/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Has the whole world gone nuts? The guy who stopped mass-shooter Muhammad Abdulazeez from killing any more people is going to face federal charges. He should get a medal but rules are rules.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/chattanooga-timothy-white/

Naval officer that stopped active shooter to face charges for discharging weapon

CHATTANOOGA, TN — When a deranged killer crashed a vehicle into a military reserve center and began shooting, a Naval officer drew a personal handgun and helped stop the attack.  Now it is being reported that the officer, regarded as a hero to many, will be facing federal charges because he discharged a weapon on federal property.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22034659 - 08/02/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it's "obama", not obumble, get it right

anyway im sure he'll be alright


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: zZZz]
    #22034669 - 08/02/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, you're sure he will be alright? He has to pay big bucks for a lawyer and hopes to get off with little time but will probably be convicted of a felony. No good deed goes unpunished.

I prefer obumble, it combines his name with what he does most of. Fumbling.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22034701 - 08/02/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

he's not so bad, he's is still only human, give him a break, btw he's just a puppet with a pen for the most part..

but yea, i have faith in my country


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: zZZz]
    #22034811 - 08/02/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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he's not so bad, he's is still only human, give him a break, btw he's just a puppet with a pen for the most part..

but yea, i have faith in my country




So he is a liar, broke most of his campaign promises, gave the stimulus money to big banks instead of spending it on infrastructure or something we can use. Continued the foreign wars we are fighting for no reason and started new ones. But in his defense, he is a puppet?

Let me get this straight, you are saying, and most people believe, he is taking orders from the big money men who put him in power? In other words he is violating his oath of office and is not just a bumbler, but a traitor. And that's his good point?

Now he, or his administration, is putting a hero on trial. The man saved many lives, and prevented a lot of carnage. That famous pen obumble has could stop it all. Hell, he doesn't even need to do that, just have one of his flunkies pass the word that the man should be let off lightly or charges dropped.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22034844 - 08/02/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well i dont agree with them charging that man, but military men are expendable in the eyes of the government, they are there to be used..

and yea, obama takes orders from other people, but he makes the final decisions, it's his signature after all..

he has alot of say in the matter,  but the country cannot be run by just one man, there are many people involved and then u always have those sneaky politicians trying to sneak some loopholes in the law.. it's a harsh game out there..


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: zZZz]
    #22034852 - 08/02/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The Navy quickly responded that the West allegations are false.

"Stories of Navy personnel being charged with an offense are not true. There is still a long way to go in reviewing the facts of this tragic incident, but at this time we can confirm no service member has been charged with an offense," the Navy said in a statement posted to social media. 
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/navy_denies_reports_sailor_wil.html


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: spock]
    #22034879 - 08/02/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure the law has been on the books for over 20 years how this has to do with your boy Obama Idk.

Peace

Edit to add.
  Conservative Media Erroneously Attribute Military Base Gun Policy To Clinton Administration
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/17/conservative-media-erroneously-attribute-milita/204465


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: zZZz]
    #22035007 - 08/02/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If he has not been charged yet, then he might not be, depending on public reaction. I will wait to see if its covered in the major media.

>and yea, obama takes orders from other people, but he makes the final decisions, it's his signature after all..

If he takes orders, then the ones who give the orders make the decisions. This is part of trump's charisma, he does not take money from corporate interests and owes nobody.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22035025 - 08/02/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

trump would still have to take orders, cuz money does not rule, countries are bought with blood, not money


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: zZZz]
    #22035032 - 08/02/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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trump would still have to take orders, cuz money does not rule, countries are bought with blood, not money




Who is he going to take orders from?


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22035036 - 08/02/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the war lords

all the other shit is just an illusion


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22035039 - 08/02/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

people who pretend to be taking the high road of patriotism while insulting their president and commander in chief clearly do not respect democracy, or the values of which this nation was founded on.

im an anarchist so im not at all bound by it, and even i believe the office deserves SOME respect.

the last 5 presidents have all been jokes. anything you can say about one you could say about them all. except in the case of junie, where you cant say "he is smart" and expect to be taken seriously.

beyond that, they have all broken rules, murdered innocent people, and set guilty people free.

so why the fuck should we care that obama does it too.

he is a figurehead. first black president. thats it. he is not a good or a bad president. he is simply....average.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22035064 - 08/02/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can respect that asshole if you want to but I do not. Respect is earned, not won in a rigged election. I also have little respect for the 2 before him. Nixon was a bad president, eisenhour was not too bad.

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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22035115 - 08/02/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You can respect that asshole if you want to but I do not. Respect is earned, not won in a rigged election. I also have little respect for the 2 before him. Nixon was a bad president, eisenhour was not too bad.

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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22036326 - 08/03/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Has the whole world gone nuts? The guy who stopped mass-shooter Muhammad Abdulazeez from killing any more people is going to face federal charges.





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If he has not been charged yet, then he might not be, depending on public reaction. I will wait to see if its covered in the major media.

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That's where you say: "I was wrong" or "I copied it from a crazy web site without fact checking".
No one charges American Heroes for stopping the bad guy with the gun. He will never be charged, ever.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22036364 - 08/03/15 04:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the bush election was rigged... in fact it was given to the court of non-elected officials... who went AGAINST The ballot.

the clinton election was rigged...

what elections were not?

you are just another brain washed right winger.

no better than the brain washed left wingers.

he's done way more with his life than you have with yours.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22036674 - 08/03/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The story quoted insiders saying he was going to be charged. The story has not been refuted but we will see.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22036829 - 08/03/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

right, so you are propagating myths against him, because you dont like him...because you believed other myths propagated against him, by rich people who dont like him, because he serves other rich people instead of them.

so basically you are doing the bidding of some rich guy who doesnt deserve your help.

good job buddy.

wake up...realize that you are a slave to a system of mortgages and car payments and that politics are just an illusion.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22037235 - 08/03/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I posted a link to a story quoting credible sources. If you don't like it, tough. The "myths" against him are solid facts. Back to your moonbat drunken stupor.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22037608 - 08/03/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

its not a fact that the guy has charges.

tell me some facts about obama?


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22038781 - 08/03/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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do not respect democracy




We're a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.

Maybe you should try to understand what form of government you live under before attempting to form anymore opinions?


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
    #22039633 - 08/03/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/

they are not mutually exclusive.

and here is another explanation:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/united-states-republic-democracy/

now... both of those are based on "not paying attention to the man behind the curtain"

but they are the right answers for claims such as mine, of what this country is "supposed to be"

now, if you want to argue we arent really a democracy... the correct way would be to say "we are no longer a democracy"

as stated here by jimmy carter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/jimmy-carter-is-correct-t_b_7922788.html

or by using great arguements formed here by noam chomsky

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/17/chomsky_the_u_s_behaves_nothing_like_a_democracy/

but your argument seems to lean toward "we were formed as a republic"

and if thats the case the correct rebuttal is...we were formed as a democratic republic. so you are being both pedantic and correct in your assertion while being pedantic and incorrect in your correction.

so while i have plenty to learn about this country i live in, it seems you do as well.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22040772 - 08/04/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From your own citation: "Frequently, politicians, and many ordinary Americans, refer to the United States as a democracy. Others find this aggravating because, unlike in a democracy where citizens vote directly on laws, in the United States, elected representatives do – and, therefore, the U.S. is a republic."





Just because you get to vote, doesn't mean we are a democracy.


Is the USA a republic or a democracy?


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
    #22041391 - 08/04/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

both of my citations said we are both.

again you are only seeing the part you believe in which makes you wrong.

maybe you should read the WHOLE article instead of just seeing the parts you like.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22041408 - 08/04/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

or dont.

either way.

most people who get shit in their head that deep, you cant even educate them with a sledge hammer, so i really dont care.

i dont think we need rich people making laws for us anyhow...they have you brainwashed into believing that without laws we'd all act like monkeys in a zoo.

there would be some people thats true for. the rest of us just want to act civilized and go about our merry.

those that that cant control themselves from slinging shit would just get removed.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22041428 - 08/04/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

when the rich (obama included, trump included, clinton included, bushs all included, reagan included) make laws.

it just makes a slave out of those that arent rich.

it doesnt matter who has been president over the past 30 years, every year you've lost spending power and lost freedom, and had to work yourself to death for the company store.

they give you just enough freedom and luxury that you dont riot.

they take just enough away that you dont riot.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22041474 - 08/04/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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when the rich (obama included, trump included, clinton included, bushs all included, reagan included) make laws.

it just makes a slave out of those that arent rich.

it doesnt matter who has been president over the past 30 years, every year you've lost spending power and lost freedom, and had to work yourself to death for the company store.

they give you just enough freedom and luxury that you dont riot.

they take just enough away that you dont riot.




This statement is very true in my eyes as well.  Little by little freedoms get exchanged for some trumped up security needs that are manufactured by the string pullers.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22044129 - 08/04/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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both of my citations said we are both.

again you are only seeing the part you believe in which makes you wrong.

maybe you should read the WHOLE article instead of just seeing the parts you like.



Quote:

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or dont.

either way.

most people who get shit in their head that deep, you cant even educate them with a sledge hammer, so i really dont care.

i dont think we need rich people making laws for us anyhow...they have you brainwashed into believing that without laws we'd all act like monkeys in a zoo.

there would be some people thats true for. the rest of us just want to act civilized and go about our merry.

those that that cant control themselves from slinging shit would just get removed.





Or maybe you could save some face and admit you learned something today?

Or not. I don't really care what your articles say, to be honest. We are a republic, plain and simple.

Anyways ... Keep up the strawman(men). It's started to become comical.

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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
    #22044138 - 08/04/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

do you need me to quote them for you to read them?

or are you just going to wait for everyone else to read them and realize you are full of shit?

i can quote them if you like.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22044585 - 08/04/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like some quotes :rofl:

I read it earlier(don't feel like rereading) and I'm pretty sure you guys are talking about whether the US is a republic or a democracy. But the us is Democratic republic.


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    #22044599 - 08/04/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thats what i said yes :smile:


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22050341 - 08/05/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)


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Achillita said:
I'd like some quotes :rofl:

I read it earlier(don't feel like rereading) and I'm pretty sure you guys are talking about whether the US is a republic or a democracy. But the us is Democratic republic.



Yes but there is difference between being a democracy and being democratic. Being a democracy means citizens vote on laws directly. Being a democratic republic means we vote for the representatives of the republic. We are not a democracy, we just elect our republic's officials through democratic means. The constitution never labels us a "democratic republic", we are a "constitutional republic" with a democratic system of electing officials. We are NOT a democracy. Democracy = mob rule, our country was founded on rights of individuals not mob rule.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22051407 - 08/06/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly.

I already countered your 'position', rxb. Just because we get to vote doesn't mean we are a democracy.

We are a republic, plain and simple.





If you base your reality off shit you read online, I kinda have to chuckle.

I can find articles that say the sky is pink polka dotted and Obama is a lizard man from Kenya.

Doesn't make any of them true. . . . . . .


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    #22051798 - 08/06/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ok.

cool... i disagree. and so do many people.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22051829 - 08/06/15 05:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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ok.

cool... i disagree. and so do many people.





...dude our country is a constitutional republic that is a fact. We are a constitutional republic that elects officials democratically. If we were a democracy we would vote for laws ourselves not elect a Congress to do so. We are a constitutional republic, we have a republic that is based off one document, the constitution. The official type of government of the United States is a constitutional republic, we were the first ever formed constitutional republic and hundreds of nations have followed suite in adopting this system of government. You can disagree all you want, but it dosen't change the fact that the U.S. Is a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives..we are not a democracy. Some people may call us a "Democratic Republic" (and we may be a democratic Republic, by definition) but officially that is not the case, as aforementioned we are a constitutional republic.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22051856 - 08/06/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But, but, but ... he read an article online that said people who misuse words are correct...... How can the internet be wrong?

Our schools nowadays teach confidence, more than knowledge. Case in point, rxb.



Even wikipedia disagrees with you, rxb.

"The government of the United States of America is the federal government of the REPUBLIC of fifty states that constitute the United States, as well as one capital district, and several other territories."

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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
    #22051867 - 08/06/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here is the wiki of a constitutional republic:
"A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States. However in recent years, many people have criticized the federal government for moving away from a Constitutional Republic, as defined by the Constitution, and towards a pure democracy.[1]"


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22055337 - 08/06/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you guys are cute in your trollishness.

i get what you are saying.

my polisci instructors, many articles, most of my history books, and a lot of other people and sources which i value more than you disagree.

so..

i've agreed to disagree.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22055354 - 08/06/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We have never had a pure democracy in usa. We vote for someone to represent us. Even in the presidential elections, we vote for electors, not the actual person.


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    #22055397 - 08/06/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i didnt say we did.

i didnt think we did.

i didnt imply we did.

i made an off handed causal statement about democracy where you could have simply replaced it with "democratic republic" because it wasnt even the way i was USING IT, and instead of discussing intelligently, we have pedantically harped on about an unimportant detail (which i didnt get incorrect to begin with).

its like if i argued with someone like you (and i have) if you said Mexicans arent Americans instead of focusing on the point of the discussion, i just went on about how all mexicans are americans (which they all are).

so like i said... we are a democratic republic....and like i said, lack of respect for our elected officials authority to do their job (in this case to be president and command the troops)... is a lack of respect for democracy.

when i first said "democracy" it was because stating "democratic republic" wouldnt have added removed or changed anything about the point of that statement


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    #22055445 - 08/06/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"people who pretend to be taking the high road of patriotism while insulting their president and commander in chief clearly do not respect democracy, or the values of which this nation was founded on."




thats the original context. to which it means, if you arent giving an elected official the respect due his office, you do not respect the process by which he was elected. (a democratic one regardless of if its a democratic republic or not).

and apparently i need to learn more about our country if i think this is a valid description of our country..requiring us to debate on if we are a democracy.

well note morons: i didnt even use the word democracy IN THAT WAY.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22055577 - 08/06/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You seem to think the person who occupies the office is due respect no matter what. That is a falsehood. The office of president deserves some respect but the person in it has to earn respect, simply winning an election is not enough. GWB won in the supreme court, do you respect that?


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22055821 - 08/06/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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you guys are cute in your trollishness.

i get what you are saying.

my polisci instructors, many articles, most of my history books, and a lot of other people and sources which i value more than you disagree.

so..

i've agreed to disagree.




Dude are you trolling...it's called google, I just sent you a quote from wiki, is that not enough to entice you to check out your "facts" because no textbook will ever tell you that we are a democracy. Maybe a public school teacher with a 4 year degree who is not much smarter than you said that, but they were mistaken, every textbook will define the US government as one of 3 things all of which are not mutually exclusive, but we are not a democracy (these 3 things being: Presidential system, Federal Republic or Constitutional Republic). Call your local senator, ask a college professor, check google, go to the library, but please verify your facts through some means, because now you are just being arrogant and spreading misinformation. Please just google "what kind of government does the US have", don't just spew out false facts, plus your refusal to even consider an opinion different than your own is rather arrogant. No need for arrogance. Do you really want to go your life believing lies, when we have more information accessible to us at this moment than ever before? Verify your facts please, everyone else reading through this could have ended up believing this misinformation, had no one corrected you and they could have gone their whole lives telling other people and their children, incorrectly, what kind of government we have. Do you really not care enough to just verify what kind of government your own country has? It takes 20 seconds and it is pretty important to know.


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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22055836 - 08/06/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You seem to think the person who occupies the office is due respect no matter what. That is a falsehood. The office of president deserves some respect but the person in it has to earn respect, simply winning an election is not enough. GWB won in the supreme court, do you respect that?




"You seem to think the person who occupies the office is due respect no matter what"

i said the authority of the office deserves respect, not the person...or even their actions... you are putting words in my mouth wrongly.


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Dude are you trolling...it's called google, I just sent you a quote from wiki, is that not enough to entice you to check out your "facts" because no textbook will ever tell you that we are a democracy




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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
    #22055883 - 08/06/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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rxb said:
Quote:

Dude are you trolling...it's called google, I just sent you a quote from wiki, is that not enough to entice you to check out your "facts" because no textbook will ever tell you that we are a democracy




nor did i.



I just want to help stop the spread of misinformation, sorry if my above post came off aggressively. Nevertheless, officially, according to the constitution and the white house we are a constitutional republic, a federal republic and a presidential system, but most simply we are a constitutional republic wherein the federal republic and the presidential system are simply by products thusly, all we really are is a constitutional republic.


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    #22055985 - 08/06/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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it's "obama", not obumble, get it right

anyway im sure he'll be alright






It's O'butthole...get it right  We elected the most ignorant, loud-mouthed fucking idiot we could with him.  The only thing he has going for him over Republicans is he isnt as dull and boring  :smirk:


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