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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Stonehenge]
#22037608 - 08/03/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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its not a fact that the guy has charges.
tell me some facts about obama?
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22038781 - 08/03/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: do not respect democracy
We're a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.
Maybe you should try to understand what form of government you live under before attempting to form anymore opinions?
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
#22039633 - 08/03/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/
they are not mutually exclusive.
and here is another explanation:
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/united-states-republic-democracy/
now... both of those are based on "not paying attention to the man behind the curtain"
but they are the right answers for claims such as mine, of what this country is "supposed to be"
now, if you want to argue we arent really a democracy... the correct way would be to say "we are no longer a democracy"
as stated here by jimmy carter:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/jimmy-carter-is-correct-t_b_7922788.html
or by using great arguements formed here by noam chomsky
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/17/chomsky_the_u_s_behaves_nothing_like_a_democracy/
but your argument seems to lean toward "we were formed as a republic"
and if thats the case the correct rebuttal is...we were formed as a democratic republic. so you are being both pedantic and correct in your assertion while being pedantic and incorrect in your correction.
so while i have plenty to learn about this country i live in, it seems you do as well.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22040772 - 08/04/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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From your own citation: "Frequently, politicians, and many ordinary Americans, refer to the United States as a democracy. Others find this aggravating because, unlike in a democracy where citizens vote directly on laws, in the United States, elected representatives do – and, therefore, the U.S. is a republic."
Just because you get to vote, doesn't mean we are a democracy.
Is the USA a republic or a democracy?
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
#22041391 - 08/04/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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both of my citations said we are both.
again you are only seeing the part you believe in which makes you wrong.
maybe you should read the WHOLE article instead of just seeing the parts you like.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22041408 - 08/04/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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or dont.
either way.
most people who get shit in their head that deep, you cant even educate them with a sledge hammer, so i really dont care.
i dont think we need rich people making laws for us anyhow...they have you brainwashed into believing that without laws we'd all act like monkeys in a zoo.
there would be some people thats true for. the rest of us just want to act civilized and go about our merry.
those that that cant control themselves from slinging shit would just get removed.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22041428 - 08/04/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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when the rich (obama included, trump included, clinton included, bushs all included, reagan included) make laws.
it just makes a slave out of those that arent rich.
it doesnt matter who has been president over the past 30 years, every year you've lost spending power and lost freedom, and had to work yourself to death for the company store.
they give you just enough freedom and luxury that you dont riot.
they take just enough away that you dont riot.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22041474 - 08/04/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: when the rich (obama included, trump included, clinton included, bushs all included, reagan included) make laws.
it just makes a slave out of those that arent rich.
it doesnt matter who has been president over the past 30 years, every year you've lost spending power and lost freedom, and had to work yourself to death for the company store.
they give you just enough freedom and luxury that you dont riot.
they take just enough away that you dont riot.
This statement is very true in my eyes as well. Little by little freedoms get exchanged for some trumped up security needs that are manufactured by the string pullers.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22044129 - 08/04/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: both of my citations said we are both.
again you are only seeing the part you believe in which makes you wrong.
maybe you should read the WHOLE article instead of just seeing the parts you like.
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rxb said: or dont.
either way.
most people who get shit in their head that deep, you cant even educate them with a sledge hammer, so i really dont care.
i dont think we need rich people making laws for us anyhow...they have you brainwashed into believing that without laws we'd all act like monkeys in a zoo.
there would be some people thats true for. the rest of us just want to act civilized and go about our merry.
those that that cant control themselves from slinging shit would just get removed.
Or maybe you could save some face and admit you learned something today?
Or not. I don't really care what your articles say, to be honest. We are a republic, plain and simple.
Anyways ... Keep up the strawman(men). It's started to become comical.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
#22044138 - 08/04/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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do you need me to quote them for you to read them?
or are you just going to wait for everyone else to read them and realize you are full of shit?
i can quote them if you like.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22044585 - 08/04/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd like some quotes 
I read it earlier(don't feel like rereading) and I'm pretty sure you guys are talking about whether the US is a republic or a democracy. But the us is Democratic republic.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: Achillita]
#22044599 - 08/04/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats what i said yes
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22050341 - 08/05/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I'd like some quotes 
I read it earlier(don't feel like rereading) and I'm pretty sure you guys are talking about whether the US is a republic or a democracy. But the us is Democratic republic.
Yes but there is difference between being a democracy and being democratic. Being a democracy means citizens vote on laws directly. Being a democratic republic means we vote for the representatives of the republic. We are not a democracy, we just elect our republic's officials through democratic means. The constitution never labels us a "democratic republic", we are a "constitutional republic" with a democratic system of electing officials. We are NOT a democracy. Democracy = mob rule, our country was founded on rights of individuals not mob rule.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22051407 - 08/06/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exactly.
I already countered your 'position', rxb. Just because we get to vote doesn't mean we are a democracy.
We are a republic, plain and simple.
If you base your reality off shit you read online, I kinda have to chuckle.
I can find articles that say the sky is pink polka dotted and Obama is a lizard man from Kenya.
Doesn't make any of them true. . . . . . .
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
#22051798 - 08/06/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok.
cool... i disagree. and so do many people.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22051829 - 08/06/15 05:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: ok.
cool... i disagree. and so do many people.
...dude our country is a constitutional republic that is a fact. We are a constitutional republic that elects officials democratically. If we were a democracy we would vote for laws ourselves not elect a Congress to do so. We are a constitutional republic, we have a republic that is based off one document, the constitution. The official type of government of the United States is a constitutional republic, we were the first ever formed constitutional republic and hundreds of nations have followed suite in adopting this system of government. You can disagree all you want, but it dosen't change the fact that the U.S. Is a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives..we are not a democracy. Some people may call us a "Democratic Republic" (and we may be a democratic Republic, by definition) but officially that is not the case, as aforementioned we are a constitutional republic.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22051856 - 08/06/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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But, but, but ... he read an article online that said people who misuse words are correct...... How can the internet be wrong?
Our schools nowadays teach confidence, more than knowledge. Case in point, rxb.
Even wikipedia disagrees with you, rxb.
"The government of the United States of America is the federal government of the REPUBLIC of fifty states that constitute the United States, as well as one capital district, and several other territories."
[cite]
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: El Torcho]
#22051867 - 08/06/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is the wiki of a constitutional republic: "A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.
A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States. However in recent years, many people have criticized the federal government for moving away from a Constitutional Republic, as defined by the Constitution, and towards a pure democracy.[1]"
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22055337 - 08/06/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you guys are cute in your trollishness.
i get what you are saying.
my polisci instructors, many articles, most of my history books, and a lot of other people and sources which i value more than you disagree.
so..
i've agreed to disagree.
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Re: Obumble administration to charge hero with a crime [Re: rxb]
#22055354 - 08/06/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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We have never had a pure democracy in usa. We vote for someone to represent us. Even in the presidential elections, we vote for electors, not the actual person.
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