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10 hbwr seeds extract...
    #22034238 - 08/02/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

going to extract 10 hbwr seeds with naptha and alchol then ill try to turn it into lsh and then divide the extract into two dosage and use em with my friend...what you guys think...we need to know how its going to be like...are 10 enough for two as we are gonna try to turn it to lsh (which is more potent)?


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: oontribe]
    #22035557 - 08/02/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

An extract would hit you faster but it wouldn't last as long.

Eat them for a slow steady trip.
Extract them for a rapid onset for your trip that's a little shorter than normal (3-4hrs instead of 4-6)


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: sudly]
    #22036173 - 08/03/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

An extract does greatly diminish the nausea, or so I've heard. Just chewing them until the bitter taste is gone and spitting out the seeds afterwards supposedly works just as well as eating them, but no nausea either. A lot of users have also described how to use it sublingually. It'll take more seeds, but again, it'll be nausea-free.

One method that I'm very interested in, but kinda sounds like bunk, is doing a cold water extraction and adding garlic. Apparently, the garlic 'kills' the constituents that make you sick.

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Step 1
The water should be boiled and left to cool down to room temperature. There is no specific measurement of water needed as the LSA will extract into it regardless.

Step 2
4 to 12 seeds should be crushed using a mortar and pestle or a hammer and then put into the water.

Step 3
The water should be then put into a fridge for at least 4 hours or more and covered in something such as tinfoil or a paper bag to avoid exposure to light when the fridge is opened.

Step 4
After the water has been refrigerated, a finely chopped up garlic clove should be added to the water for 30 minutes and stirred periodically to completely eliminate nausea and vomiting, this works because the sulphur in garlic eliminates all cyanogenic glycosides within the seed matter.

Step 5
A small amount of fruit juice can be added to help eliminate the taste of the seed matter.

Step 6
Sieve out the seed matter and garlic and this can be discarded of.

Step 7
If these steps have been followed correctly, the cold water extraction is ready to consume.




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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: Satyr604]
    #22036248 - 08/03/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

interesting...and i was wondering about the strength of 5 seeds extracted and/or turned into LSH?


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: oontribe]
    #22036622 - 08/03/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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interesting...and i was wondering about the strength of 5 seeds extracted and/or turned into LSH?



Since it's HWBR I would say 5 seeds each would be a good dose. I've never done HWBR only MG seeds so I'm only basing this off of what I've read on this site.


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: Satyr604]
    #22037046 - 08/03/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Step 4
After the water has been refrigerated, a finely chopped up garlic clove should be added to the water for 30 minutes and stirred periodically to completely eliminate nausea and vomiting, this works because the sulphur in garlic eliminates all cyanogenic glycosides within the seed matter.





Interesting, do you have a source for this?


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: zoom_zoom_shroom]
    #22037244 - 08/03/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Satyr604 said:
Step 4
After the water has been refrigerated, a finely chopped up garlic clove should be added to the water for 30 minutes and stirred periodically to completely eliminate nausea and vomiting, this works because the sulphur in garlic eliminates all cyanogenic glycosides within the seed matter.





Interesting, do you have a source for this?




I saw the technique mentioned a few times on several messageboards. I had a look around on the interweb and could only find the source I quoted, detailing a tek using HBWR and garlic:

http://psychedelicinformation.tumblr.com/post/17272355885/lsa

Again, it sounds interesting, but I would not be surprised if it's just one big crock of shit.


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: Satyr604]
    #22037437 - 08/03/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think ill stick to the naptha and alcohol...how long should i leave em in alcohol after the three days naptha wash (x3) before pulling em?


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: oontribe]
    #22038064 - 08/03/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thinking about the 'garlic tek' and reading into it, it seems to me that it could work, but not because garlic negates the nauseating chemicals. A cold water extraction, when done properly, will usually lead to less sickness. The garlic will help, but mainly because it's a vasodilator. LSA on the other hand, is known to cause vasoconstriction.

So yeah, doing a CWE and then adding garlic might work, but not because of the reasons described in the link/TEK I posted.

oontribe, I know you weren't planning on doing it that way anyway, but I just wanted to clear it up for other potential readers. 

I have an order of 20 HBWR seeds coming myself, am really interested in that extraction you're planning.


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: Satyr604]
    #22040441 - 08/04/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Satyr604 said:
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zoom_zoom_shroom said:
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Satyr604 said:
Step 4
After the water has been refrigerated, a finely chopped up garlic clove should be added to the water for 30 minutes and stirred periodically to completely eliminate nausea and vomiting, this works because the sulphur in garlic eliminates all cyanogenic glycosides within the seed matter.





Interesting, do you have a source for this?




I saw the technique mentioned a few times on several messageboards. I had a look around on the interweb and could only find the source I quoted, detailing a tek using HBWR and garlic:

http://psychedelicinformation.tumblr.com/post/17272355885/lsa

Again, it sounds interesting, but I would not be surprised if it's just one big crock of shit.



Haha fair enough!


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: zoom_zoom_shroom]
    #22040659 - 08/04/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its not only about the body load...the other alkaloids can affect your trip mentally...thats why pure psilocybin is different than mushroom and mushroom than stones and the differences between mushroom species...the other stuff can interact with the active alk inside or outside your body and produce bad effects...could be wrong too...better safe than sorry...i have done lsa with out extraction and that wasny cool.


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: oontribe]
    #22041341 - 08/04/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would chew/quid the crushed seeds with fresh peppermint leaf (supermarket cold produce) after brushing gums/cheeks and mint mouthwash use.

If spitting after 35 minutes use 8 seeds.  If extracting in alcohol 6 and if eaten 5 & I'd space em out over 21 minutes to help nausea.


I almost never eat them.  I've regurgitated the single seed that slipped passed the muslin in my 40 minute cwe no shaking (only shake after filtering away seeds or nausea.  I coldshake in the aldehyde source over 15 minutes and dose).

You don't have to use naptha, I used canola oil for the wash.  Others ((sunflower(?), peanut)) work also.

Also experiment with other aldehyde sources.  Cuminaldehyde is quickly becoming a favorite; cinnemaldehyde comes on twice as fast and is powerful -use a lower dose.

If you have old seeds that are getting sleepy they may be primed for adduction.


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Re: 10 hbwr seeds extract... [Re: flickedbic]
    #22041535 - 08/04/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the info.


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