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Cops - noise complaint?
    #22032604 - 08/02/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I need some advice guys. I am being "harassed" by the police.

The other day I was in bed at my house. My friends showed up at my house in the middle of the night to say hello. My friends were playing music from their truck. I went out to say hello to them. The cops then arrived and asked for identification because of a possible noise complaint. When they asked for my identification, I shook my head no, walked into my house, and returned to my evening with my girl. Please note that I was not hosting a party.

Some days later, I received a fine for noise that was coming from a vehicle, which I did not own. This struck me as odd.

Can I fight this based on the fact that the vehicle was not mine?


Edited by XUL (08/02/15 09:51 AM)


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: XUL]
    #22032634 - 08/02/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I read your original thread and it sounds like you skimmed over some important details here.

Ask a lawyer instead of kids on the internet. They will not charge you for the consult. You won't need a lawyer for the appearance, but you still need a gameplan.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22032655 - 08/02/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if thats the whole story than sure you should be able to dispute it


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22032668 - 08/02/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am basing this information on the officers empirical write up on my ticket. Everything written in my post coincides with his write up.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: XUL]
    #22032739 - 08/02/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

seems weird that the police were even called over a cars music. prick neighbors?


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: XUL] * 3
    #22032804 - 08/02/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Tell your dumb ass friends to turn their shit down when they come to your house.

Also find out what neighbor ratted on you and fertilize their garden with copious amounts of rock salt.

Also fight the ticket because it sounds like bullshit.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22032969 - 08/02/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you sound like my neighbors next door. They always pull up blasting music and are like 16 year old pieces of shit. After a few months I finally saw cops at their place. My block used to be filled with cars and the parents let these kids do whatever. They even drove through our yard once. Glad they got fucked by the cops. No more parties but they still do dumb shit. Throw trash all over, openly made my area patrolled by cops, and are a nuisance.

If you got a complaint it's likely cause you were an idiot and walked inside. If you did nothing wrong why not show them your ID. This whole I have rights shit is stupid. you have to identify yourself because your stupid ass friend causes a noise complaint. Since it is your property it falls on you.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22032980 - 08/02/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"this whole I have rights shit is stupid"

A+ would quote again :lol:


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22032982 - 08/02/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I was thinking of quoting that too. I mean who needs rights? It's not like I'm using them for anything...


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #22033055 - 08/02/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Obviously taking out of context. I'm alluding to the whole "I have rights you don't need to see my ID when someone is involved in a crime/citation/questioning." Normal people who aren't doing anything illegal fork over their ID? Unless your some criminal with hundreds of warrants or haven't paid child support. It's immature and you wouldn't be in this situation.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22033083 - 08/02/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He ommited quite a few details from his original thread.

OP, speak to a lawyer and just show up in court with a plan. Odds are the officer will fail to appear and the case will dismissed.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22033094 - 08/02/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

makes sense. I can also see myself doing the same thing OP did. I wouldn't think I was involved.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22033209 - 08/02/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

SteveRogers said:...Seemed he was drunk and underage...



...so
XUL-( Registered: 03/16/05)
signed up here when he was 11?
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and is this the same incident?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22000194...:confused:

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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: vinsue]
    #22033227 - 08/02/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good point. Something just didn't sound right about it in that original thread.

"They said they were responding to possible underagers drinking. I then walked into my house, locked my doors, turned off all the lights, and watched out my blinds. My friends stayed outside (there was a DD) and I heard the cops tell my friends that, since I was in my underwear, they were going to give me a fine in the mail for indecent exposure."


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: XUL] * 1
    #22033307 - 08/02/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ask spiritual warrior for advice.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22033532 - 08/02/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Good point. Something just didn't sound right about it in that original thread.

"They said they were responding to possible underagers drinking. I then walked into my house, locked my doors, turned off all the lights, and watched out my blinds. My friends stayed outside (there was a DD) and I heard the cops tell my friends that, since I was in my underwear, they were going to give me a fine in the mail for indecent exposure."




Of course they said that they were responding to noise and possible underagers. But the fact is that nobody was underage. They were trying to pin me with anything.

And one time, years back, they knocked on my door and told us they were the pizza man.

I was in my boxers because it was 1 in the morning.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22033634 - 08/02/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
Tell your dumb ass friends to turn their shit down when they come to your house.

Also find out what neighbor ratted on you and fertilize their garden with copious amounts of rock salt.

Also fight the ticket because it sounds like bullshit.



Why take it out on their plants?

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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22034038 - 08/02/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Then you can expect trouble. It's obvious we aren't even getting the full story. Sounds like he was drinking underage and ran inside his house. Cops decided to throw a citation anyway they could. Won't fork over ID, drinking, well expect consequences. There's a point in time in life where you turn from a boy to a man and own up to ur shit


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22035313 - 08/02/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If my friends pulled up cranking music at one AM I would say hello to them with my fist.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22035343 - 08/02/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it does sound like you've got shit friends.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: XUL]
    #22035519 - 08/02/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see how they could issue you a fine for a vehicle you don't own.  This is your town government enforcing a city ordinance, right?  Not something to do with a contract you signed with your landlord?  I think we never could give you advice without knowing what exactly the law is, and many other details.  If it is a civil offense I'm pretty sure you can go talk to a judge or some official and argue your case without needing a lawyer, and if you lose you will just be stuck with the fine.

Aside from that I would say your best bet is to keep on the straight and narrow, move to someplace with better/no neighbors, or make a significant contribution to the offending police in the form of financial donations and/or sexual favors.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22035720 - 08/02/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would fight it. Chances are the cop won't even show up and then it will be thrown out.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22035724 - 08/02/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

or just act like a normal person and not someone you see on cops.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22035733 - 08/02/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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or just act like a normal person and not someone you see on cops.




Does not compute....what is wrong with fighting a fine?


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22035746 - 08/02/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it all sprung from him running inside and locking his door. He claims to have done nothing illegal, so why do all that?? Has two different stories in two separate posts which don't add up. Sounds like he was legitimately causing a ruckus outside and knew it.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22035763 - 08/02/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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it all sprung from him running inside and locking his door. He claims to have done nothing illegal, so why do all that?? Has two different stories in two separate posts which don't add up. Sounds like he was legitimately causing a ruckus outside and knew it.




Oh ok I'm glad you explained further. I was just trying to get that out of you.  I agree just because the cop asked for your ID doesn't mean he was going to do anything to you. That's pretty standard for them to ask for that first ALWAYS. Then they would have  probably had a conversation with you about the situation. 

I only said go to court now because well the citation was issued nothing he can do about it.  I know that simple noise violation can be a pretty hefty fine depending on what city you are in. 

But OP for learning experience I have had cops come to my apartment for noise and I was throwing a party. I complied with them, everyone left, I gave them my ID. And then we chatted for while. In the end nothing happened to me.  Think about your situation compared to mine and if you would have just given him your ID and talked to him.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22035855 - 08/02/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yep. Going to court for it and explaining that he locked himself indoors won't fly. He will have to pay the fine.


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    #22035888 - 08/02/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yep. Going to court for it and explaining that he locked himself indoors won't fly. He will have to pay the fine.




Agreed. But what I'm saying is if the officer who issued the citation doesn't show up then well he doesn't have to explain anything. Am I correct?


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    #22035902 - 08/02/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on the complaint. They get paid overtime for showing up so most do. Only reasons for things to be dismissed from my experience are lack of evidence or errors in the citation.


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    #22035953 - 08/02/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I think the general practice for non-criminal cases is for the police to send a representative for the first appearance to state their charge, or maybe even you just talk to a magistrate and they will take a look, and possibly throw it out if they can't make a case, but if you plead not guilty and they want to continue then they will give you another date where the cop might have to show up before a judge.  That's how it works for some traffic violations around here at least, but it probably varies state to state and depends on the exact circumstances.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22035965 - 08/02/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I think the general practice for non-criminal cases is for the police to send a representative for the police for the first appearance to state their charge, or maybe even you just talk to a magistrate and they will take a look, and possibly throw it out if they can't make a case, but if you plead not guilty and they want to continue then they will give you another date where the cop might have to show up before a judge.  That's how it works for some traffic violations around here at least, but it probably varies state to state and depends on the exact circumstances.




Right. I'm in PA and I had a noise violation one time and was waiting to go into the court room. A different officer who did not issue my citation came up to me and said "if you are here for "so and so" (I can't remember his name, but the officer who issued my citation) he can't make it today you are free to go" And that was that.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22035985 - 08/02/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It might not be the same in PA, but I know in MA that officer does not need to show up only a representative from the police, and they can use a written statement from the officer as evidence against you.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22036002 - 08/03/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting. You know what....now that I'm remembering back there was a murder case going on before me and well it was taking a long time. So the other officer didn't feel like coming back another day lol.


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Re: Cops - noise complaint? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22036035 - 08/03/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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He ommited quite a few details from his original thread.

OP, speak to a lawyer and just show up in court with a plan. Odds are the officer will fail to appear and the case will dismissed.





Ya generally what I've done for every ticket i get. Make them have to show up had quite a few tickets dropped because of it.


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