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First contam I believe
    #22032582 - 08/02/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Any ideas what causes this? Just opened these ten days after transferring the spawn to sub.





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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22032639 - 08/02/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like metabolites, just a sign of either stress or bacteria. In this case I think it's bacteria.

It will fruit just fine and you can eat the fruits just fine as well.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: taGyo]
    #22032707 - 08/02/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From some of the threads I found I think so too. The other tub had some of the same but was more clear. How can I avoid this next time?

They did get stressed I know during my move this weekend


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22032723 - 08/02/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A) Don't move anymore :lol:
B) Agar > Grains > Spawn usually leads to a less likelihood of contams.

You're fine though, a lot of grows have a level of bacteria in them.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: taGyo]
    #22034489 - 08/02/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It looks so wet. Is it yellow liquid or yellow growth under water?

I had some mycelium before that turned yellow and i believe it was dying underwater. I got the pooling under control and it turned back to a nice white in days. Not an expert though, especially on your grow, just my input.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ryoung0588]
    #22034716 - 08/02/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yellow liquid.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: taGyo]
    #22039380 - 08/03/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Probably what was initially said then, metabolites caused by some sort of bacterial problem. Should at least put out some kind of crop the way it looks... Let it ride and good luck, my man!


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ryoung0588]
    #22039402 - 08/03/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

could be temp related but it looks fine


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: cronicr]
    #22039418 - 08/03/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have the same thing going on and it seems to be clearing up with lighter misting (I'm fruiting coir/verm trays in an SGFC).  So if it's a monotub maybe it's not quite dialed in yet.

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ryoung0588]
    #22039432 - 08/03/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

nice pic cron :rofl2:


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #22039543 - 08/03/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's a dubtub. It's in spawn run right now so it's just the single tub covered in foil with GE holes covered by micro pore.

I'm PCing my casing tonight and will case tomorrow. I'll update soon!

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22039859 - 08/03/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm PCing my casing tonight and will case tomorrow. I'll update soon!



I hope you mean your pasteurizing your casing in your PC, and not sterilizing it. Sterilized casings invite mold spores to grow on it's surface, while pasteurized casings allow beneficial microbes to survive and fight off contams.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22043461 - 08/04/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I sterilized. I've read pros and cons to both. I went the sterile way this time. Next time I'm gonna do both and record differing results for myself.

Got them cased today.

Here's before the casing:







And here's one cased:



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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22043475 - 08/04/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looks good :thumbup:


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22043521 - 08/04/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good job!! :congrats: Are you gonna put that tub into fruiting now or wait for the surface to colonize to 30% first?


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22043562 - 08/04/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

whats your casing layer material?

i wouldnt sterilize coir for casing layers, myc eats coir easier the more you cook it,
i just hydrate mine in room temp water.

if its peat based it needs to be pasteurized and (pre)limed


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: spacechildo]
    #22043584 - 08/04/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's a 50/50+ verm/peat/lime casing.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22043596 - 08/04/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What strain are you packing my man.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22043599 - 08/04/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that should have been pasteurized then.

i cant zoom in on the pics so i cant say anything about your sub tho,
looks good from what I can see.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: spacechildo]
    #22043616 - 08/04/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: cronicr]
    #22043900 - 08/04/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, I'd let the mycelium colonize the casing layer a bit, it looks a bit thick.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22046583 - 08/05/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm gonna let them colonize a bit then put into fruiting. Casing layer is right around 1/4" thickness so I'm hoping it will only take a few days.

I'll go the pasteurize route next time. I'll make sure to keep an eye out for any possible contams.

And I'm running B+!


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22046616 - 08/05/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22095951 - 08/15/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I got pins!!!!!






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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22095987 - 08/15/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22098083 - 08/16/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:awegroove:


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: taGyo]
    #22098301 - 08/16/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: jbaby007]
    #22098330 - 08/16/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've never felt more proud:grin:

I do haz question though. Tub#1 started pinning when the sub was about 90% colonized. Tub#2 just got its first pins today and is roughly 70% colonized. Is this awful for pinset and is there a better way to keep that from happening next time?


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22098340 - 08/16/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like it wasn't the cleanest spawn.

Do you work with agar?


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22098363 - 08/16/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would suggest making sure there is no FAE (Fresh Air Exchange) while colonizing.

Will trigger fruiting.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: TrippyTripTime]
    #22098509 - 08/16/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I followed a posters advice and put them into fruit after my casing was 30% colonized. I'll wait til it's 100% next time.


And this was my first grow so I haven't delved into agar work yet. That's my next project!


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: ReefyGibby]
    #22098525 - 08/16/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you cased it then that's fine, it shouldn't get to 100%. A casing is not for the mycelium to colonize past that 30%, it's to provide a microclimate. When you do a cake, for instance, you roll it in verm so their's a high level of humidity near the surface of the cake to induce pinning.

If you case and let it colonize to 100% then there was no reason to case. The reason we let it reach 30% is so the mycelium is exposed to fresh air, a pinning trigger that tells it it's reached the surface. The mycelium that ate through that 30% tells the whole substrate to pin because it's found a suitable climate. The 70% that's still covered has the added benefit of the microclimate which traps moisture, creating a high humidity environment. This is much like wild cubes where the mycelium starts underground and then pokes its way up.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: taGyo]
    #22098609 - 08/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That op pic looked like every tray I mixed with hpoo weird jelly and yellow. Kinda gross looking. Didn't smell bad though. Did it work out ok??


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    #22098903 - 08/16/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Very useful information, taGyo! Thank you!

And yea they turned out fine! Growing like crazy!







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    #22098979 - 08/16/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome man. Can't wait to see how they turn out


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    #22102876 - 08/17/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22107062 - 08/18/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Two of the mushies had veil breaks today. How soon should I harvest these suckers?





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    #22107077 - 08/18/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh man they are looking beautiful. Almost time they still don't look opened up


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    #22107135 - 08/18/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Two of the mushies had veil breaks today. How soon should I harvest these suckers?







:vibin:  I would harvest them now, the actives stop being produced once the veil starts to break away.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22107724 - 08/18/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also I can't get a dehydrated until Friday morning. Will they be ok in the freezer until then?


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    #22107764 - 08/18/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Never froze fruits before. I would imagine the potency would not be affected. Some people put their dried shrooms in the freezer for long term storage and the potency stays the same for years from what I've read.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22107813 - 08/18/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they'll turn to mush


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    #22109320 - 08/19/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

First tub harvested!

11.8oz wet weight with an additional .6oz in aborts.

Not as much as I was hoping since I used 16quart tubs but I can't complain! It's possible my substrate was not deep enough. It was probably only 3.5inches deep.
I've got them fan drying now.

Tub 2 should be done in a few days.







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    #22110170 - 08/19/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Put them in the fridge, not the freezer for short term storage. I would have let them go until Thursday and just dunked the substrate to be honest, minor potency loss in the fridge. Speaking from experience, that's what I did with my first fruits while waiting for my dehydrator and I ate them fresh that day and then fresh that next night and it was a little different.


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    #22110311 - 08/19/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn. Awesome I can't wait to see that good job. looks like SWIM will be having a good time.


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    #22110485 - 08/19/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Put them in the fridge, not the freezer for short term storage. I would have let them go until Thursday and just dunked the substrate to be honest, minor potency loss in the fridge. Speaking from experience, that's what I did with my first fruits while waiting for my dehydrator and I ate them fresh that day and then fresh that next night and it was a little different.



:lmafo: dude... that had nothing to do with how you stored them and everything to do with the fact that you dosed two days in a row. an eighth on night 2 will be half the trip as it was on the first night


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Put them in the fridge, not the freezer for short term storage. I would have let them go until Thursday and just dunked the substrate to be honest, minor potency loss in the fridge. Speaking from experience, that's what I did with my first fruits while waiting for my dehydrator and I ate them fresh that day and then fresh that next night and it was a little different.



:lmafo: dude... that had nothing to do with how you stored them and everything to do with the fact that you dosed two days in a row. an eighth on night 2 will be half the trip as it was on the first night



I know lol, I ate 35 grams fresh the first time and then 90 grams fresh brotha. Second time was not even close lol. Then when I dried them I could never reach what that first 35 grams did so I gave them all to my friends. Second flush I dried properly and they hit me like a freight train.

Potency can vary between mushrooms/flushes, etc and it was all MS so for all I know I just ate a weaker batch that time.

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Put them in the fridge, not the freezer for short term storage. I would have let them go until Thursday and just dunked the substrate to be honest, minor potency loss in the fridge. Speaking from experience, that's what I did with my first fruits while waiting for my dehydrator and I ate them fresh that day and then fresh that next night and it was a little different.



:lmafo: dude... that had nothing to do with how you stored them and everything to do with the fact that you dosed two days in a row. an eighth on night 2 will be half the trip as it was on the first night



I know lol, I ate 35 grams fresh the first time and then 90 grams fresh brotha. Second time was not even close lol. Then when I dried them I could never reach what that first 35 grams did so I gave them all to my friends. Second flush I dried properly and they hit me like a freight train.

Potency can vary between mushrooms/flushes, etc and it was all MS so for all I know I just ate a weaker batch that time.

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    #22111910 - 08/19/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

35 grams fresh is a dry eighth


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #22112039 - 08/19/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude I've only eaten 3 grams max I think I ate 5 once when I was 17 and as soon as it hit I didn't want it haha I was like no no no. The walls started waving I just layer in bed and rode it out. I gotta step it up because my girl doesn't feel it so she needs a lot. Next time we are going to have 4 or 5 each  we need to feel it


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Devon420]
    #22112279 - 08/19/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Step up your game Devon. I don't like the low doses, I always get the feeling like I'm missing out on the full experience. It's like I'm waiting for something to happen but it never does. I only take 5+ grams from all my MS grows.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22112294 - 08/19/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn.  Ok. We have about 5 now so I'll wait until we can both have 5 no more screwing around. Every time it feels like I'm knocking at the door but I can't get in. If I take more I'm gonna get in and go crae crae haha


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Devon420]
    #22112311 - 08/19/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's exactly what it is, the higher the dose, the more fun you'll have, I guarantee it! :wink:


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22112335 - 08/19/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I will. Don't wanna overdo it though


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Devon420]
    #22112574 - 08/19/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea tru you have to find what level you're comfortable with. But each batch varies with MS, so it's hard to determine how much to take. Can't wait to get some clones going on agar, I want to have consistent potency when I dose up.


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    #22112588 - 08/19/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We ate 3 each last time and I felt it a bit my girl was disappointed. So nextime she won't be I'm saving em up. I'll have enough on the weekend for us to both actually trip. Oops this is mush cult I can't talk about stuff like this but see I don't plan on my posts lol


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    #22112634 - 08/19/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22112646 - 08/19/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Devon420]
    #22113273 - 08/19/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Put them in the fridge, not the freezer for short term storage. I would have let them go until Thursday and just dunked the substrate to be honest, minor potency loss in the fridge. Speaking from experience, that's what I did with my first fruits while waiting for my dehydrator and I ate them fresh that day and then fresh that next night and it was a little different.



:lmafo: dude... that had nothing to do with how you stored them and everything to do with the fact that you dosed two days in a row. an eighth on night 2 will be half the trip as it was on the first night



I know lol, I ate 35 grams fresh the first time and then 90 grams fresh brotha. Second time was not even close lol. Then when I dried them I could never reach what that first 35 grams did so I gave them all to my friends. Second flush I dried properly and they hit me like a freight train.

Potency can vary between mushrooms/flushes, etc and it was all MS so for all I know I just ate a weaker batch that time.

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Holy crap you eat a lot how big are you?



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Second highest dose I've taken. 9.5gs. I don't dose under 5 grams, not worth it.


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: taGyo]
    #22113424 - 08/19/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

9.5 is to much for me. I'll work my way up


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    #22113469 - 08/19/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've worked my way up the ladder starting from 0.5 grams in late April. Each dose gets better and better. I'm waiting on trying 5 dried grams from my recent grow. :awesomenod:


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Re: First contam I believe [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22113476 - 08/19/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I will warn you, after 8 grams it can start getting hairy. 5 gs is a moderate dose for me, 8 is when I want to trip balls, ego-death and all, anything higher and I'm in for a god damn ride.


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    #22113488 - 08/19/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good to know, at 4.5 grams I had light morphing and visual distortions. I imagine bumping my next dose up to 6 grams would really give me the strong visuals I've been looking for. Gotta fasten my seatbelt it's gonna be one trippy ass ride!! :vibin:


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    #22113505 - 08/19/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First contam I believe [Re: taGyo]
    #22113519 - 08/19/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I will warn you, after 8 grams it can start getting hairy. 5 gs is a moderate dose for me, 8 is when I want to trip balls, ego-death and all, anything higher and I'm in for a god damn ride.



Kind of not really cult related, but yeah man.. actually I've tripped so much I think my tolerance has gone down, or my mushrooms potency has gone way up :lol: I used to do at least 7 grams every trip. Now 4 grams is more than plenty. I still get so smashed I can't function on the come up. But not as insane lol. Most I've done in 1 sitting was 18 grams. In the dark with no music. It was a wild experience to say the least.

To make it cult related.. look at the difference between pans and cubes! :O



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    #22113546 - 08/19/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I will warn you, after 8 grams it can start getting hairy. 5 gs is a moderate dose for me, 8 is when I want to trip balls, ego-death and all, anything higher and I'm in for a god damn ride.



Kind of not really cult related, but yeah man.. actually I've tripped so much I think my tolerance has gone down, or my mushrooms potency has gone way up :lol: I used to do at least 7 grams every trip. Now 4 grams is more than plenty. I still get so smashed I can't function on the come up. But not as insane lol. Most I've done in 1 sitting was 18 grams. In the dark with no music. It was a wild experience to say the least.

To make it cult related.. look at the difference between pans and cubes! :O






You know, I noticed this too.  2 grams used to not really do shit for me.  Nowadays I rarely need more than like 1.5 of some APE.


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I will warn you, after 8 grams it can start getting hairy. 5 gs is a moderate dose for me, 8 is when I want to trip balls, ego-death and all, anything higher and I'm in for a god damn ride.



Kind of not really cult related, but yeah man.. actually I've tripped so much I think my tolerance has gone down, or my mushrooms potency has gone way up :lol: I used to do at least 7 grams every trip. Now 4 grams is more than plenty. I still get so smashed I can't function on the come up. But not as insane lol. Most I've done in 1 sitting was 18 grams. In the dark with no music. It was a wild experience to say the least.

To make it cult related.. look at the difference between pans and cubes! :O






You know, I noticed this too.  2 grams used to not really do shit for me.  Nowadays I rarely need more than like 1.5 of some APE.



Well those were dealer shrooms, mine I still go about 5 gs to floor me. I have a pretty high psych tolerance to be honest. Not sure why. If I give the same doses to my girl or my friends they're on the floor while I'm playing video games and shit.


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    #22113666 - 08/19/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Some people are just like that.  :shrug:  At least you grow so you don't have to worry about how much it costs to eat more than a quarter every time.


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