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Anonymous #10
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #8]
#22046078 - 08/05/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #8 said: I think when it comes down to it, the very idea of a hallucination and some kind of seperation from our known reality is very scary for some people.
This is the biggest reason that I used to see. Most people are scared they won't come back from a bad trip and that it messes with their head. I don't blame them honestly. Drugs like this can be dangerous for the mind since they alter the user's perception of reality.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #9]
#22062581 - 08/08/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #9 said: These compounds are "mind drugs", so if a person isn't all that bright, they probably won't like psychedelics, people who don't like to use their mind will not like psychedelics, these are thinking man's compounds, and if you don't have much consciousness to expand, or are not capable of intellectual or abstract thought, then psychedelics won't do much for you...if you can't grasp the implications then what's the point. (I'm not talking about "book smart" here though, I'm speaking of true intelligence, and if you don't have it then psychedelics won't interest you)
-E. Borodin
But then; what is 'true intelligence' ? Some people just like to see things, that is it, & they're as stupid as a potato
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Anonymous #12
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #11]
#22062685 - 08/08/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. You will become schizophrenic. 2. You will go psychotic. 3. You will jump off a building. 4. You will get arrested and serve life in prison for eating some mushrooms. 5. Every other bad thing imaginable will happen to you if you use psychedelics.
People are afraid of what they do not understand. They are raised and instilled with a fear of socially unacceptable drugs, even ones that have little chance of harm. Alcohol can cause both physical and mental harm but no one bats an eye if you have a few drinks.
Another fear I just found out the other day is thay people think it's possible for you to never stop tripping. I was talking about a trip and someone chimed in and said "I've heard of people that never stop tripping, I'd be too afraid to do them".
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Anonymous #13
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #12]
#22065008 - 08/08/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The people who oppose those two substances are just some of the countless victims of misinformation and complete ignorance on the topic. It's not their fault for being so misinformed, but the part that frustrates me is the way those people are so convinced they are right that they don't even entertain the possibility they are wrong. In the grand scheme of this debate they just aren't very rational thinking people. I mean even with things you think you know a lot about it's only logical to agree that you could be proven wrong. The difference between people like us and the ignorant fools who preach non sense against weed and mushrooms is that we have actually given those substances a chance where as they never even considered doing that. Have you ever noticed how anyone against mushrooms or weed is very in your face about it and tries their hardest to convince you? That's because that is the way they were tricked into thinking those substances were bad for them so they think that same technique will be effective. Little do they know anyone who has used either of those substances will never be convinced they are bad because we have all been effected by them in such a positive way.
Edited by Anonymous (08/08/15 11:14 PM)
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Anonymous #3
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22065075 - 08/08/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: Anyone else? Anyone have a reply that isn't some poor attempt at a joke?
It's not an attempt at a joke. I believe it to be the truth. Every time someone posts something like this in SA, it comes to light later the OP is young, still lives at home and the oppressor is their parents.
Why else would you need to post this anonymously?
Ah, well none of that is correct. Don't live at home, not gay, parents live in a different state. There isn't any oppressor, and I thought the OP was pretty clear that I was talking about when speaking to other people, such as friends. My family is a bunch of holy rollers, so it would be a lost cause even mentioning anything like this to them.
Read the OP again. You gave a text book argument that the underage/living at home kids make for drugs. First thing they turn to is "alcohol and tobacco are legal and they're worse for you!". Not that, that isn't a good point, but still, it's the same argument they always use, usually in relation to their parents use of one or both of those. The next argument is always about their ignorance.
There is no inkling of any kind of indication the post is about friends or what not. In fact the only reference you make at all to what group of people you're referring to is "people you know" which can be just an expansion of "someone". That word is often used to hide the fact that they are in fact talking of their parents.
Further, adults who discuss this phenomenon usually have more to say than "alcohol/tobacco are worse" or "they're ignorant and shouldn't be judging stuff they have no clue about". They usually have some actual view points on the positives to throw in, and a lot of the times with links backing up everything they stated as a positive.
So there you go. I made an assumption based on past experience and the evidenced presented.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #3]
#22071137 - 08/10/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #3 said:So there you go. I made an assumption based on past experience and the evidenced presented.
Bad assumption. Just like all the people who oppose mushrooms. You took what you thought you knew, and applied it to something you knew nothing about. Which was me and my intention for the question, because as I said, none of that was true. Frankly I don't know where you're getting this "kid must be gay, parents are viewed as oppressors, etc" crap. Are you a psychology student or something? You read waaaay too much into it.
But to everyone else, thanks for the replies. They've brought me some closure on the subject. One member summarized it perfectly. Its frustrating. But oh well, what can you do. Just leave them to their ignorance. And to be clear, I haven't just rushed them into this. All my inquiries have been very... tentative. Nothing like "Hey I'm going to do this and you should too!!". I usually wait until the subject of one drug or another gets brought up, so I wasn't the one who brought it up. You generally don't have to wait long for people to say something about it, when you're at a party or just hanging out for a good while. Then I'll say something like "Oh yeah that reminds me. This guy I was talking to the other day was saying he'd done mushrooms lol"
And then the conversation goes on from there. Then I get to see what they think about shrooms without them thinking I must be thinking about doing it because I brought it up. Thus far nobody seems to suspect. And unfortunately, unanimously, their response is negative. Its something that only "druggies" do, and they don't want to be a "druggie". If its not that, then its something really bad for you, and they don't need "drugs". All while they're doing the best they possibly can to kill as many brain cells as they can, drowning themselves in alcohol.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #10]
#22071153 - 08/10/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #8 said: I think when it comes down to it, the very idea of a hallucination and some kind of seperation from our known reality is very scary for some people.
This is the biggest reason that I used to see. Most people are scared they won't come back from a bad trip and that it messes with their head. I don't blame them honestly. Drugs like this can be dangerous for the mind since they alter the user's perception of reality.
Relevant post I made. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22067094#22067094
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Anonymous #9
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #11] 1
#22075628 - 08/11/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #9 said: These compounds are "mind drugs", so if a person isn't all that bright, they probably won't like psychedelics, people who don't like to use their mind will not like psychedelics, these are thinking man's compounds, and if you don't have much consciousness to expand, or are not capable of intellectual or abstract thought, then psychedelics won't do much for you...if you can't grasp the implications then what's the point. (I'm not talking about "book smart" here though, I'm speaking of true intelligence, and if you don't have it then psychedelics won't interest you)
-E. Borodin
But then; what is 'true intelligence' ? Some people just like to see things, that is it, & they're as stupid as a potato 
There's always exceptions.
I said "not book smart" because I have met shamans who were extremely intelligent, but never educated in "book smarts"
It's hard to say what true intelligence is, but you know it when you see it.
If a person is unable to grasp the implications or understand the journey then why take the trip? Because it's not just looking at pretty things, it's an altered mental state, and intelligent people have a high affinity for that state...where in most Cases unintelligent people are afraid, uncomfortable, or UN-able to understand that mental state, and have little desire to return.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #9]
#22090068 - 08/14/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good reply mate, I agree. 
I just knew a few very stupid (in all senses) that liked mush/2C's/Acid because they enjoyed the colours and just laughed about how things looked - I guess they never had a 'deep'/spiritual trip, but that's all I was going on.
You have to be intelligent if you want to make sense of psychedelics IMO, but you don't if you just want to see things move 
I think it depends on the attitude, they were always after a good party or whatever, but when I took, or probably most of you took, mushrooms in a very different way.
Perhaps the general public only sees the idiots I describe just wandering around giggling laughing at stupid colours, which gives a bad impression not just on those people, but psychedelic drug use as a whole.
People are not educated enough in these matters to accept responsible psych use; after decades of propaganda and scaremongering, what do you expect?
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Anonymous #9
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #11]
#22090186 - 08/14/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #11 said: Good reply mate, I agree. 
I just knew a few very stupid (in all senses) that liked mush/2C's/Acid because they enjoyed the colours and just laughed about how things looked - I guess they never had a 'deep'/spiritual trip, but that's all I was going on.
You have to be intelligent if you want to make sense of psychedelics IMO, but you don't if you just want to see things move 
I think it depends on the attitude, they were always after a good party or whatever, but when I took, or probably most of you took, mushrooms in a very different way.
Perhaps the general public only sees the idiots I describe just wandering around giggling laughing at stupid colours, which gives a bad impression not just on those people, but psychedelic drug use as a whole.
People are not educated enough in these matters to accept responsible psych use; after decades of propaganda and scaremongering, what do you expect?
I suppose your right....
Though you can't deny that intellectuals of all types do have a fascination with these molecules...
It's far more than an inebriation or intoxication, it's a psychological journey into the depths of existance, an introspective and intellectual dive into consciousness, and a source of divine gnosis and inner healing...
I guess I forget they have recreational use...Though I have seen recreational users become Buddha under the bodhi tree, their ego holding them back has been dissolved and their true being free from cultural programming can observe the universe as it is...I've seen recreational users become shamanic devotees in a single experience...
I think dose is the key difference, recreational users take low doses, and explorers tend to push the limits as far as possible and tend to only take commited (large) doses, and the difference in experience is the difference between being stoned and breaking-through.
-E. Borodin
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Anonymous #14
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #9]
#22093713 - 08/15/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I remember when someone said 'but acid and mushrooms can cause flashbacks'
I said 'Cool. Who doesn't like free drugs?'
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Anonymous #13
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #14]
#22094487 - 08/15/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #14 said: I remember when someone said 'but acid and mushrooms can cause flashbacks'
I said 'Cool. Who doesn't like free drugs?'
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Anonymous #1
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #14]
#22124309 - 08/21/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #14 said: I remember when someone said 'but acid and mushrooms can cause flashbacks.
Is it true? Does that happen?
And if so, perhaps the flashbacks aren't just a flashback. Could it be trying to tell you something? Mkenna said that all these things we see are visual metaphors. So when you're seeing things in your trip, you're being shown something important. A little flashback, is a tiny little part of a trip right? So what is the flashback showing you? What's it trying to tell you?
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Anonymous #6
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22124720 - 08/21/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I've heard of people call something "flashbacks" It's pretty much HPPD, or a small ammount of HPPD. Like "flashbacking" to the trip I guess.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #6]
#22124784 - 08/21/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only flashback I've ever had, which was probably more placebo than anything, was just a mild feeling similar to the body load you get on psychedelics. It just doesn't really happen like people say. Before I had ever gotten into this shit I had a friend who did a lot of them and would constantly just out the middle of nowhere start talking about he's having a flash back and he's tripping again I wish I could go back in time and call him on his bullshit.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #3]
#22125367 - 08/22/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Flashbacks are a symptom of PTSD as well. An incredibly bad trip could cause PTSD...
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Anonymous #3
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #2]
#22125385 - 08/22/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be reliving the bad experiences or suffering the symptoms you suffered through a bad trip.
In that sense, PTSD is completely irrelevant. People who talk about having flashbacks (and I have heard it over and over again) are always just about getting high all over again. "That shit is stored in your spine and occasionally it gets out and you get high all over again, usually at really bad times". This simply just does not happen, ever. From a physiological stand point, it's just impossible. The body just simply does not store these substances for you to get high all over again 6 months later. There MIGHT be very minute trace amounts, but it would be at a level that you could not even possibly feel.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #3]
#22125435 - 08/22/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree that the people that talk about it like that are probably full of shit. I'm only pointing in a possible direction of origin for the common flashback myth. Especially when LSD was still very novel, people would dose too high or get dosed without their consent. That led to incredibly traumatic experiences which could easily lead to PTSD. A couple of those 'victims' could have had flashbacks. That would be enough to get it into the media and into common drug propaganda or drug myths. It being a common myth would of course lead people to believe they are having flashbacks and speak of them as you said.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: What makes someone oppose mushrooms? [Re: Anonymous #2]
#22127279 - 08/22/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the only 'flashbacks' i have ever had were always after i smoked weed within a couple days after the trip.
I didn't feel like i was tripping, but the visuals were there. I assumed that it was just because i had smoked weed. (i smoked during every trip as well)
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