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Darkness increasing mushroom potency?
    #22030739 - 08/01/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So I was surfing around some old threads and found this thread here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11666108/fpart/1/vc/1

It's a post about a study some medical mushroom journal did that states magic mushrooms grown in the dark can be 100x more potent then ones grown in the light.

I'm making this thread because I'm theorizing that maybe with mushies we could use a method that bud cultivators use to increase potency:

When a bud grower sees his plants are ready he takes them inside and puts them in an entirely dark room for 24-48 hours before harvesting. This is done because the 'goodies' in weed are only produced during the night part of the day/night cycle. So it's believed that this 24-48 hours of pure darkness increases the potency of the bud considerably.

I'm thinking if this finding on mushrooms is true, then perhaps a day or two before we harvest we should not turn on our lights for the 12 hours we usually would and instead keep them in the dark for 24-48 hours and perhaps this will increase the potency.

Your thoughts?


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22030768 - 08/01/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

100x increase? :lol:

Test it out brotha. With a clone. Potency is so subjective that I'm not sure you could measure a 100x increase unless you worked with a clone that you ate and said this was okay and then ate the dark-grown shrooms and died.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22030786 - 08/01/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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100x increase? :lol:

Test it out brotha. With a clone. Potency is so subjective that I'm not sure you could measure a 100x increase unless you worked with a clone that you ate and said this was okay and then ate the dark-grown shrooms and died.




Yea honestly I'm very skeptical as well, but I do think I'm going to attempt the method I talked about. It worked well on bud, but mushrooms aren't bud so I'm definitely not going to get my hopes up haha.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22030814 - 08/01/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22030845 - 08/01/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I doubt it.
Plant resins/terpenes/chlorophyll cycles etc
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22030866 - 08/01/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For the first time I used filtered natural sunlight when I recently put my Huautla into fruiting conditions and the potency is off the charts.

So I'll be going into the light rather than the dark side, Luke.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22030873 - 08/01/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr.Satan said:
t.

I'm making this thread because I'm theorizing that maybe with mushies we could use a method that bud cultivators use to increase potency:





don't ever put the two in the same category, this is your first mistake....did you read the whole thread?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11667052#11667052


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22030891 - 08/01/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I doubt it.
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worth a shot.




I'm just gunna give them 24 hours of darkness before I harvest my next flush and see if anything noticeable happens. Worst case scenario it doesn't increase potency in which case the potency will just be the same which is fine by me, my trip from this strain was fucking amazing last time! I was tripping so hard I couldn't do anything except marvel at the OEVs and CEVs as I was lost in profound thoughts. I seriously felt like I was exploring a different universe. :headbang3:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22030897 - 08/01/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Dr.Satan said:
t.

I'm making this thread because I'm theorizing that maybe with mushies we could use a method that bud cultivators use to increase potency:





don't ever put the two in the same category, this is your first mistake....did you read the whole thread?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11667052#11667052




I read the OP and the first page of posts, but there was far too many pages for me to read all of that. I realize they are drastically different, but I mean if they are similar in the way that potency can be increased through darkness I was just theorizing perhaps the method would work on both.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22030901 - 08/01/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22030909 - 08/01/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight




It clearly said the study was done with mushrooms exposed to light, indirect light, and ones that weren't exposed to light.

"Three different lighting conditions, that is, dim daylight, indirect daylight, and darkness were used to harvest the mushrooms. A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used. The psilocin content of the mushrooms was analyzed by derivatization with N-methyl-N-(trimethylsilyl) trifluoroacetamide (MSTFA), followed by the GC-MS technique. This investigation showed that the psilocin content of the mushrooms was highly dependent on the lighting conditions. Variations could amount to 100-fold increases in the samples harvested in the dark condition, compared to the samples harvested in the light conditions."


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22030921 - 08/01/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How will you test it?


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22030928 - 08/01/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight




It clearly said the study was done with mushrooms exposed to light, indirect light, and ones that weren't exposed to light.

"Three different lighting conditions, that is, dim daylight, indirect daylight, and darkness were used to harvest the mushrooms. A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used. The psilocin content of the mushrooms was analyzed by derivatization with N-methyl-N-(trimethylsilyl) trifluoroacetamide (MSTFA), followed by the GC-MS technique. This investigation showed that the psilocin content of the mushrooms was highly dependent on the lighting conditions. Variations could amount to 100-fold increases in the samples harvested in the dark condition, compared to the samples harvested in the light conditions."



it is talking about drying mushrooms post harvest:thumbup:


Guys, the bottom line is don't dry your mushrooms in the sun, which nobody does anyway.  I have a subscription to the journal.  I'll check the article when I get time and see what's there, but it won't be today or tomorrow, because I'm swamped with work.  I can't post it for copyright legal issues, but I'll read it and see what they're trying to say.

From what it appears, they're reporting that after harvest, sunlight degrades psilocin, which we already knew.  It doesn't say if you dry in the dark, the psilocin content is going to be raised, it simply says it won't be degraded by up to 99% due to sunlight.  We also know that air degrades psilocin, and that isn't going to change.  Don't read more into this paper than what is actually there.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22030944 - 08/01/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How will you test it?




I have 4 cakes that will be ready for harvest in a week tops. I plan to keep 2 out 4 in the regular lighting cycle I've been using and move the other 2 into a small SGFC that doesn't receive any light for the last 24-48 hours. The test definitely won't be 100% fool proof, but it will be good enough for me to decide if the method is something I should use in the future. :smile:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22030957 - 08/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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cronicr said:
it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight




It clearly said the study was done with mushrooms exposed to light, indirect light, and ones that weren't exposed to light.

"Three different lighting conditions, that is, dim daylight, indirect daylight, and darkness were used to harvest the mushrooms. A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used. The psilocin content of the mushrooms was analyzed by derivatization with N-methyl-N-(trimethylsilyl) trifluoroacetamide (MSTFA), followed by the GC-MS technique. This investigation showed that the psilocin content of the mushrooms was highly dependent on the lighting conditions. Variations could amount to 100-fold increases in the samples harvested in the dark condition, compared to the samples harvested in the light conditions."



it is talking about drying mushrooms post harvest:thumbup:


Guys, the bottom line is don't dry your mushrooms in the sun, which nobody does anyway.  I have a subscription to the journal.  I'll check the article when I get time and see what's there, but it won't be today or tomorrow, because I'm swamped with work.  I can't post it for copyright legal issues, but I'll read it and see what they're trying to say.

From what it appears, they're reporting that after harvest, sunlight degrades psilocin, which we already knew.  It doesn't say if you dry in the dark, the psilocin content is going to be raised, it simply says it won't be degraded by up to 99% due to sunlight.  We also know that air degrades psilocin, and that isn't going to change.  Don't read more into this paper than what is actually there.
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Oh the OP didn't say anything about drying it made it seem like the growing environment was what was being tested. It seems I will have to read the actual report as well and see what they are actually claiming


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22030959 - 08/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22030966 - 08/01/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it's saying somethign that has been know from day one, dry soem in the sun and some in the shade the shit in the shade will be better


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22030973 - 08/01/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I ment how would you test their potency, other than subjective trials?:confused:

cronicr Ive always wondered, what do you have in the inside pockets of the other side of your jacket? Do you has one odem greeniests?


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22030975 - 08/01/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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it's saying somethign that has been know from day one, dry soem in the sun and some in the shade the shit in the shade will be better



:facepalm: damn it, I was really mislead by that guy's OP. I suppose I won't even waste my time testing this then


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22030978 - 08/01/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's how America got so dumb. The abstract isn't the paper :shrug:

It's why these idiots think vaccines cause autism and all sorts of other stupid shit. Only the headline gets reported. Everyone skipped the contents

I would say your test is fine to mess with but just eating the same mush on two occasions and you'll think one trip is more potent if someone told you the mush was more potent before you are them


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22030987 - 08/01/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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cronicr Ive always wondered, what do you have in the inside pockets of the other side of your jacket? Do you has one odem greeniests?



that's where i keep my secret weapons like kizzle and frank:evil:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22031012 - 08/01/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well I would have to test the potency by dosing the same weight on separate occasions which is far from a 100% way to test them, but idk I might decide to do it I might not. Really not sure now. I'm glad you brought that false reporting done by the OP of that thread to my attention though. That guy is a dick for being so misleading lol.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22031018 - 08/01/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You think Luigi would approve if he knew?:sad:


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    #22031026 - 08/01/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22031048 - 08/01/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well I would have to test the potency by dosing the same weight on separate occasions which is far from a 100% way to test them, but idk I might decide to do it I might not. Really not sure now. I'm glad you brought that false reporting done by the OP of that thread to my attention though. That guy is a dick for being so misleading lol.



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Well I would have to test the potency by dosing the same weight on separate occasions which is far from a 100% way to test them, but idk I might decide to do it I might not. Really not sure now. I'm glad you brought that false reporting done by the OP of that thread to my attention though. That guy is a dick for being so misleading lol.



he was just as uninformed and mislead as you were:lol:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22031067 - 08/01/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Power grows on power subs with power lights give higher potency. Dealer grade potency.

But really look into strain isolation if you want potency. Or grow pans


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    #22031080 - 08/01/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Power grows on power subs with power lights give higher potency. Dealer grade potency.

But really look into strain isolation if you want potency. Or grow pans




The potency of my last flush was insane, I was just reading that thread and thinking "oh shit I can make these things even more potent?!" xD


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22031087 - 08/01/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well I would have to test the potency by dosing the same weight on separate occasions which is far from a 100% way to test them, but idk I might decide to do it I might not. Really not sure now. I'm glad you brought that false reporting done by the OP of that thread to my attention though. That guy is a dick for being so misleading lol.



he was just as uninformed and mislead as you were:lol:




Well he actually read the report, he should have known what they were talking about. All I did was read his post.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22031117 - 08/01/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Power grows on power subs with power lights give higher potency. Dealer grade potency.

But really look into strain isolation if you want potency. Or grow pans



How about mixing glow in the dark powder into the sub then, just for that extra milage, I mean if were already talking dealer grade:cool:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22031127 - 08/01/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Power grows on power subs with power lights give higher potency. Dealer grade potency.

But really look into strain isolation if you want potency. Or grow pans



How about mixing glow in the dark powder into the sub then, just for that extra milage, I mean if were already talking dealer grade:cool:



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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22031140 - 08/01/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm thinking if this finding on mushrooms is true




My initial reaction is odds of 100:1 against at least what you think it means.  I sort of remember that 5 year old discussion - oh yeah, I actually emailed the lead author but never heard back. :shrug:

The full article is here if you want to read it (no pics, just diagrams):

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/247855008_Enhancement_of_Indole_Alkaloids_Produced_by_Psilocybe_cubensis_(Earle)_Singer_(Agaricomycetideae)_in_Controlled_Harvesting_Light_Conditions

Reading it now...it never came around back in the day.

Well, that's certainly interesting.

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The mycelium was grown on pasteurized compost consisted of wheat straw, chicken manure and
gypsum. During the mycelium growth, temperature and relative humidity were maintained at 25 °
C

and 95%Rh respectively. After colonization of compost with mycelium, substrate was covered
with casing soil. After 10 days case-run the ambient conditions were changed to initiate
fructification. A temperature of 18-20'C was maintained during harvest period. In an attempt to
study the effect of light on chemical constitutions, some samples were kept in dark, some samples
were kept in dim lighting, where as others were exposed to natural but indirect light. Mushrooms
were picked and dried for further studies.




I don't spot any errors in what they presented, and the peak differences at the 17.6 minute mark are obvious.  Worth testing, but what it says is that, for the mushrooms THEY grew, there WAS a marked potency difference depending on natural light or the lack thereof.  Most indoor grows would not be supplying UV light to the fruits, though...


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22036417 - 08/03/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

An increase in psilocin doesn't necessarily mean an increase in potency. Most likely if the psilocin is increasing the psilocybin is decreasing at the same time.

I don't see how lighting at the moment of harvest is going to have an effect on anything. Maybe the lighting afterwards would if you didn't dry them. I mean mushrooms continue to grow after you harvest them. There is also a dramatic change in metabolism after being severed from the substrate. We can only speculate if that change has an effect on psilocin/psilocybin production.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Kizzle]
    #22037611 - 08/03/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I get that part, but it's the scale of the effect that's interesting.  Also I note that woodlovers like liberty caps dry naturally in the sun and yet have beau coup potency, most of it psilcybin that stores well...

I don't think they're talking about the "moment of harvest" anyway, it's pretty clear they're running the entire fruiting cycle in complete darkness to get what they're reporting.


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    #22038140 - 08/03/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not clear actually. It's never states specifically how much time they spent under the effects of the different lighting. But, Dr.Satan is talking 24 hours or 24-48 hours which certainly isn't the entire fruiting cycle. (It's not really moment of harvest so point taken)


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Kizzle]
    #22038430 - 08/03/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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An increase in psilocin doesn't necessarily mean an increase in potency. Most likely if the psilocin is increasing the psilocybin is decreasing at the same time.




Psilocybin is metabolized in the body into trioduogrycoxybidide, so the degreese in psilocybin for increase in psilocybin wouldnt have too much of an effect?


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038436 - 08/03/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Eat fresh and then dried mushrooms a week after and tell me that :thumbup:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Kizzle]
    #22038474 - 08/03/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not clear actually. It's never states specifically how much time they spent under the effects of the different lighting. But, Dr.Satan is talking 24 hours or 24-48 hours which certainly isn't the entire fruiting cycle. (It's not really moment of harvest so point taken)




True, I had to read between the lines to try and see what they were trying to test.  It looks like they're trying dark fruiting. But there was another similar study around the same time doing that and the pics of the fruits were just SO sad, scrawny little fuckers, that I wonder if what they really got was an extremely low yield with an above average amount of actives because of that.  Likely never know, although one could try it easily enough... :shrug:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22038538 - 08/03/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Eat fresh and then dried mushrooms a week after and tell me that :thumbup:




Depends if the dry ones were vacuum sealed and taken away from light rays immediately after being dried. Or even better yet, dried in an oxygenless and lightrayless enviroment.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038543 - 08/03/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Then how are they drying?


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038567 - 08/03/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

By a process called evaporation


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038574 - 08/03/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
    #22038577 - 08/03/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So you're going to evaporate the water from the shrooms....?

..... :lol:.... :rofl:... :rofl2:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22038669 - 08/03/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hahaha, I dont even understand you yet youre funny to me somehow;) Here I was writing you a pm to cut the bullshit and tell you whats really going on here but hey, by my retarded guest. Blahahahahaha.....

How do you dry your shrooms btw? By chemically binding the water molecules in them with some chemical and then somehow filtering that out? Hahahahahahah.............. Only in america:raisemyglass:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038683 - 08/03/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

And here I am telling you, I'm an open book. You got something to say pertaining this, don't try to go around everyone. Post it here, let some people who actually care read it :shrug:

This is what he linked me:

https://www.maps.org/research-archive/psilo/psilo_ib.pdf


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22038717 - 08/03/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nooooo, youre spilling trade secrets little boy!:cool: Also gj with the excessive use of the "pro cultivator" smily:wink: In the pm too:cool:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038743 - 08/03/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

See... You ruined the whole thing now taFyo... Now everyone's silent actually reading and learning and shit, thx alot Monday night ruiner!


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038767 - 08/03/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You mean shrug?

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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038821 - 08/03/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lolwut:  :wtfsonic:  :inonothing:  :kidnap:  :madhamster:  :lolcat:

Sadly enough, another magic method fails miserably.


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    #22038838 - 08/03/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:dafuq:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22038846 - 08/03/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

edited  Cronicr had it right.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22038848 - 08/03/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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An increase in psilocin doesn't necessarily mean an increase in potency. Most likely if the psilocin is increasing the psilocybin is decreasing at the same time.




Psilocybin is metabolized in the body into trioduogrycoxybidide, so the degreese in psilocybin for increase in psilocybin wouldnt have too much of an effect?



Not sure I follow you but if you mean psilocin should cause effects earlier than psilocybin because it's already in active form that's probably true. Psilocin is also light sensitive though so even it's increasing some of it also being destroyed.

I have a hypothesis that some of the psilocybin/psilocin is consumed during spore production since it's oxidation products can be polymerized into pigments and that's similar to methods used by other fungi to pigmentize their spores and/or caps. If it's true the apparent decreased spore production that occurs in darkness could possibly lead to more psilocybin or psilocin accumulating in the fruit body.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Kizzle]
    #22038852 - 08/03/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We shall never know given the sparse info in the original paper.  I wish I could find the other paper with the sad ass fruits. People were outright laughing at them and the authors - people that don't know shit about cultivation publishing shit papers about miserable results.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22038929 - 08/03/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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edited  Cronicr had it right.



I meant dafuq to him, your post was funny :lol:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
    #22039510 - 08/03/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That works for me too.  :iseewhatyoudidthere:


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22039632 - 08/03/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes the shrug! You should put that in your description as well as signature man. Sure to get recognition then;)

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Doesnt that look cool!?:thumbup:

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I have a hypothesis that some of the psilocybin/psilocin is consumed during spore production since it's oxidation products can be polymerized into pigments and that's similar to methods used by other fungi to pigmentize their spores and/or caps. If it's true the apparent decreased spore production that occurs in darkness could possibly lead to more psilocybin or psilocin accumulating in the fruit body.




The real question then being do the albinos have increased or descreased potency? Increase arg: they didnt use that metabolite but some other for the pigments. Decrease arg: they have some kind of feedback that makes them prioritize spore production instead of pigments when lacking psilo, compared to "normal" strains. Leaving them less psilo. Ill admit the first one sounds more sturdy. But then again both are assuming they use psilo for both pigments and spores.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
    #22040005 - 08/03/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It seems like a lot albinos develop a little green/blue tint to the cap. You could call it bruising but it's pigmentation nonetheless.

The fact that there are red spore producing strains of Cubensis might suggest the violet spore color is the result of both a red pigment and a blue pigment.


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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Kizzle]
    #22040255 - 08/03/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I like your thinking


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