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Dr.Satan
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Darkness increasing mushroom potency?
#22030739 - 08/01/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I was surfing around some old threads and found this thread here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11666108/fpart/1/vc/1
It's a post about a study some medical mushroom journal did that states magic mushrooms grown in the dark can be 100x more potent then ones grown in the light.
I'm making this thread because I'm theorizing that maybe with mushies we could use a method that bud cultivators use to increase potency:
When a bud grower sees his plants are ready he takes them inside and puts them in an entirely dark room for 24-48 hours before harvesting. This is done because the 'goodies' in weed are only produced during the night part of the day/night cycle. So it's believed that this 24-48 hours of pure darkness increases the potency of the bud considerably.
I'm thinking if this finding on mushrooms is true, then perhaps a day or two before we harvest we should not turn on our lights for the 12 hours we usually would and instead keep them in the dark for 24-48 hours and perhaps this will increase the potency.
Your thoughts?
Edited by Dr.Satan (08/01/15 09:45 PM)
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22030768 - 08/01/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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100x increase? 
Test it out brotha. With a clone. Potency is so subjective that I'm not sure you could measure a 100x increase unless you worked with a clone that you ate and said this was okay and then ate the dark-grown shrooms and died.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
#22030786 - 08/01/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: 100x increase? 
Test it out brotha. With a clone. Potency is so subjective that I'm not sure you could measure a 100x increase unless you worked with a clone that you ate and said this was okay and then ate the dark-grown shrooms and died.
Yea honestly I'm very skeptical as well, but I do think I'm going to attempt the method I talked about. It worked well on bud, but mushrooms aren't bud so I'm definitely not going to get my hopes up haha.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22030814 - 08/01/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
#22030845 - 08/01/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I doubt it. Plant resins/terpenes/chlorophyll cycles etc =/= fungus
worth a shot.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: new2doinstuff]
#22030866 - 08/01/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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For the first time I used filtered natural sunlight when I recently put my Huautla into fruiting conditions and the potency is off the charts.
So I'll be going into the light rather than the dark side, Luke.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22030873 - 08/01/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said: t.
I'm making this thread because I'm theorizing that maybe with mushies we could use a method that bud cultivators use to increase potency:
don't ever put the two in the same category, this is your first mistake....did you read the whole thread? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11667052#11667052
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: new2doinstuff]
#22030891 - 08/01/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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new2doinstuff said: I doubt it. Plant resins/terpenes/chlorophyll cycles etc =/= fungus
worth a shot.
I'm just gunna give them 24 hours of darkness before I harvest my next flush and see if anything noticeable happens. Worst case scenario it doesn't increase potency in which case the potency will just be the same which is fine by me, my trip from this strain was fucking amazing last time! I was tripping so hard I couldn't do anything except marvel at the OEVs and CEVs as I was lost in profound thoughts. I seriously felt like I was exploring a different universe.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
#22030897 - 08/01/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Dr.Satan said: t.
I'm making this thread because I'm theorizing that maybe with mushies we could use a method that bud cultivators use to increase potency:
don't ever put the two in the same category, this is your first mistake....did you read the whole thread? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11667052#11667052
I read the OP and the first page of posts, but there was far too many pages for me to read all of that. I realize they are drastically different, but I mean if they are similar in the way that potency can be increased through darkness I was just theorizing perhaps the method would work on both.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22030901 - 08/01/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
#22030909 - 08/01/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight
It clearly said the study was done with mushrooms exposed to light, indirect light, and ones that weren't exposed to light.
"Three different lighting conditions, that is, dim daylight, indirect daylight, and darkness were used to harvest the mushrooms. A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used. The psilocin content of the mushrooms was analyzed by derivatization with N-methyl-N-(trimethylsilyl) trifluoroacetamide (MSTFA), followed by the GC-MS technique. This investigation showed that the psilocin content of the mushrooms was highly dependent on the lighting conditions. Variations could amount to 100-fold increases in the samples harvested in the dark condition, compared to the samples harvested in the light conditions."
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
#22030921 - 08/01/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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How will you test it?
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22030928 - 08/01/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said:
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cronicr said: it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight
It clearly said the study was done with mushrooms exposed to light, indirect light, and ones that weren't exposed to light.
"Three different lighting conditions, that is, dim daylight, indirect daylight, and darkness were used to harvest the mushrooms. A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used. The psilocin content of the mushrooms was analyzed by derivatization with N-methyl-N-(trimethylsilyl) trifluoroacetamide (MSTFA), followed by the GC-MS technique. This investigation showed that the psilocin content of the mushrooms was highly dependent on the lighting conditions. Variations could amount to 100-fold increases in the samples harvested in the dark condition, compared to the samples harvested in the light conditions."
it is talking about drying mushrooms post harvest
Guys, the bottom line is don't dry your mushrooms in the sun, which nobody does anyway. I have a subscription to the journal. I'll check the article when I get time and see what's there, but it won't be today or tomorrow, because I'm swamped with work. I can't post it for copyright legal issues, but I'll read it and see what they're trying to say.
From what it appears, they're reporting that after harvest, sunlight degrades psilocin, which we already knew. It doesn't say if you dry in the dark, the psilocin content is going to be raised, it simply says it won't be degraded by up to 99% due to sunlight. We also know that air degrades psilocin, and that isn't going to change. Don't read more into this paper than what is actually there. RR
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
#22030944 - 08/01/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Galba Cubensis said: How will you test it?
I have 4 cakes that will be ready for harvest in a week tops. I plan to keep 2 out 4 in the regular lighting cycle I've been using and move the other 2 into a small SGFC that doesn't receive any light for the last 24-48 hours. The test definitely won't be 100% fool proof, but it will be good enough for me to decide if the method is something I should use in the future.
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
#22030957 - 08/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Dr.Satan said:
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cronicr said: it had nothing to do with growing in the dark it was about natural sunlight
It clearly said the study was done with mushrooms exposed to light, indirect light, and ones that weren't exposed to light.
"Three different lighting conditions, that is, dim daylight, indirect daylight, and darkness were used to harvest the mushrooms. A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used. The psilocin content of the mushrooms was analyzed by derivatization with N-methyl-N-(trimethylsilyl) trifluoroacetamide (MSTFA), followed by the GC-MS technique. This investigation showed that the psilocin content of the mushrooms was highly dependent on the lighting conditions. Variations could amount to 100-fold increases in the samples harvested in the dark condition, compared to the samples harvested in the light conditions."
it is talking about drying mushrooms post harvest
Guys, the bottom line is don't dry your mushrooms in the sun, which nobody does anyway. I have a subscription to the journal. I'll check the article when I get time and see what's there, but it won't be today or tomorrow, because I'm swamped with work. I can't post it for copyright legal issues, but I'll read it and see what they're trying to say.
From what it appears, they're reporting that after harvest, sunlight degrades psilocin, which we already knew. It doesn't say if you dry in the dark, the psilocin content is going to be raised, it simply says it won't be degraded by up to 99% due to sunlight. We also know that air degrades psilocin, and that isn't going to change. Don't read more into this paper than what is actually there. RR
Oh the OP didn't say anything about drying it made it seem like the growing environment was what was being tested. It seems I will have to read the actual report as well and see what they are actually claiming
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22030959 - 08/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: taGyo]
#22030966 - 08/01/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's saying somethign that has been know from day one, dry soem in the sun and some in the shade the shit in the shade will be better
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Galba Cubensis]
#22030973 - 08/01/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I ment how would you test their potency, other than subjective trials?
cronicr Ive always wondered, what do you have in the inside pockets of the other side of your jacket? Do you has one odem greeniests?
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: cronicr]
#22030975 - 08/01/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: it's saying somethign that has been know from day one, dry soem in the sun and some in the shade the shit in the shade will be better
damn it, I was really mislead by that guy's OP. I suppose I won't even waste my time testing this then
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Re: Darkness increasing mushroom potency? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22030978 - 08/01/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's how America got so dumb. The abstract isn't the paper 
It's why these idiots think vaccines cause autism and all sorts of other stupid shit. Only the headline gets reported. Everyone skipped the contents
I would say your test is fine to mess with but just eating the same mush on two occasions and you'll think one trip is more potent if someone told you the mush was more potent before you are them
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