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Leaninghills
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Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy?
#22029746 - 08/01/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've got a cake with B+ that has been in the chamber for 3 weeks, and it still has no pin heads. Mycelium looks okay except where it was bruised from water drops, at least that's what it looks like to me based on pictures I've seen. I've since taken care of that problem by tilting the chamber. I'm using a 20 gallon fish tank with 3 inches of sterilized gravel in the bottom to set the cakes on. I have an electronic timer that turns on an Ultrasonic humidifier every 3 hours to keep humidity between 90% and 100%. Temperature is a bit problematic but generally runs 82 during the day, and 72 in the night. I'm fanning twice a day, and the Humidifier stirs up the air the rest of the time.
Does this cake look healthy, and am I doing things right?

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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Leaninghills]
#22029779 - 08/01/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Leaninghills said: I'm using a 20 gallon fish tank with 3 inches of sterilized gravel in the bottom to set the cakes on.
You would need small holes on all sides of that tank if you want a decent harvest. You may get a few pins growing but they will most likely abort due to lack of FAE. SCFC's are highly recommended for cakes, and any other setups have a low success rate.
Also, you want to use perlite to set the cakes on, not gravel.
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/01/15 06:01 PM)
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Leaninghills]
#22029787 - 08/01/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: NDStepp84]
#22029819 - 08/01/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Watch all of these and tell me where you went wrong:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
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Leaninghills
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: taGyo]
#22030450 - 08/01/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Before I started, I did build an SGFC, and then monitored it for 2 weeks. Found that humidity varies greatly during the day from a number of factors, mainly heat. Also discovered that under the right conditions, the airflow can reverse and dry it out instead of humidifying it. Also, I'm gone 14 hours a day, and can't mist or fan it, and that was the reason I went with the Ultrasonic humidifier on a timer. I didn't dunk and roll the cakes because of concern for contamination. Living in the country presents the opportunity for all types of spores, bacteria, and other contaminants to get a foot hold. I'll try the dunk and roll next time though. I plan on setting up a small muffin fan on a timer to run for a minute or two just before the humidifier turns on, in the hopes more fresh air will help. The lack of air exchange may be the biggest problem. The cakes sit on their lids from the jars and not on the gravel directly. The gravel is for both drainage if condensate gets to high, and for humidity.
Appreciate all the info. Thanx much to all.
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Toadstool5
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Leaninghills]
#22030594 - 08/01/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like you need waaaaay more FAE.
Remember FAE is the most important trigger besides running out of nutrients or space to grow.
With a dunk, the only bacteria that will take hold of the mycelium is anaerobic so after a good rinse and lots of FAE in the chamber it dies right off. You can always dunk in sterilized water and roll in sterilized verm but it seems pointless.
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Toadstool5]
#22030689 - 08/01/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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For all they know they are still in the jars, having no FAE is your biggest risk for a contaminate. Fanning is not FAE.
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: NDStepp84]
#22030697 - 08/01/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit developed the SGFC when he was working 12 hour shifts and could only mist/fan once or twice a day. You'll be fine. Go back to your SGFC.
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: taGyo]
#22030729 - 08/01/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Make sure it is constructed properly, get rid of the humidifier and hygrometer, you don't need them. Dunk and roll those things.
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Toadstool5
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: NDStepp84]
#22031129 - 08/01/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fanning is not FAE.
Yeah it only helps, gotta have holes and air circulation in the room or a sgfc with the right amount of holes and perlite.
I am using a mini-mono for some cakes right now and i have to still fan several times a day with loose polyfil and holes on all 6 sides.
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taGyo
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Toadstool5]
#22031163 - 08/01/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said:
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Fanning is not FAE.
Yeah it only helps, gotta have holes and air circulation in the room or a sgfc with the right amount of holes and perlite.
I am using a mini-mono for some cakes right now and i have to still fan several times a day with loose polyfil and holes on all 6 sides. 
Try no polyfill. You shouldn't have to fan it to be honest. Fanning does very little for FAE.
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Toadstool5
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: taGyo]
#22031192 - 08/01/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tried but because it isnt full of substrate and i dont have a humdifier in a 7-year drought area the RH drops too low. The circulation is low too because i dont have a fan in the room and the shape of it prevents many currents from the AC.
It was a fun experiment, Im surprised it even worked! Got about 8g dry from the first flush so far (MS, two cakes didnt even produce)
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taGyo
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Toadstool5]
#22031233 - 08/01/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ahh, damn :/
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Toadstool5
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: taGyo]
#22031267 - 08/01/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah being so poor you can barely afford your phone bill sucks but i was able to construct a mini mono and fruit with nothing but foil, verm, and a 5 quart ice cream tub stacked those suckers, misted, and fanned when i could.
Clandestine as fuck 
Ive got some trays of bulk colonizing and more grain jars going so the cakes are for fun and i dont trip more than twice a month.
Sorry to jack you OP
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Toadstool5]
#22031810 - 08/02/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: Looks like you need waaaaay more FAE.
Remember FAE is the most important trigger besides running out of nutrients or space to grow.
no...full colonization first and yo don't' run out of nutrients, this is why we use high co2 levels during colonizing is to stop the myc from deveouring the substrate, you want this to happen at fruitng, you can see this easily with tubs ..when you put it into fruiting you will see the sub shrink, it isnt' from water its' froom being eaten
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: cronicr]
#22034850 - 08/02/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guess I should have waited a bit more before posting. Checked this morning, and have 5 bodies started.

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taGyo
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Re: Slow to pin head. Do these look healthy? [Re: Leaninghills]
#22034881 - 08/02/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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