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nwalker248
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My first Monotub - growlog in the making
#22027189 - 08/01/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Going to edit this post in the next dayto make it agrow log of sorts. -3 aug
've tried the pf tek several times now, and each time the jars just develop bacteria and dark spots and half of them don't even begin to germinate (if that's the correct term). However, I tried some WBS spawned to coir/verm, and had no trouble at all.
I may make another thread as a grow log if anyone was interested in a first monotub grow, as I have pictures of most progress made. But for now, Im currently fruiting 3 quarts of spawn to about 4.5 of substrate in a 35L tub (so substrate is quite deep, and am just starting to get pins. Strain is B+.
This mushroom popped up at about 3 days past fruiting. I'm now at day 6 and have lots of other pins starting to come up, but this was aggressive as hell and grew to this size from a pin in 3 days before any others even pined (excluding sidepins)

I'm guessing that I'm going to want to be cloning this mushroom, and am probably going to clone with a LC. If successful will all mushrooms that fruit on a tub spawned with the LC all come out like this? And can a short slice of this mushroom be kept in the fridge/freezer until I'm ready to make a LC?
Sorry for the long post just for a few questions, but if anything I thought I'd just share my first mushroom with you all Can post a grow log if anyones interested, I know I enjoy reading them.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22027249 - 08/01/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd go to agar and skip lcs for the time being. Pasty plates are a great way to start. Once the culture is clean you can use it to make a grain master.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22027415 - 08/01/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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recently I selected my clones from a tub 1. Cut at base with sterile scapel 2. Cut open the base and recieve a tissue sample 3. Transfer sample to plastic bag and store in fridge until ready to use
Ready to use?
4. Prepre agar/ pasty plates 5. Flame tweezers/ scapel 6. Transfer tissue sample to plate (preferably in a SAB)
Before you make a LC Make some good clean culture with Pasty plates, THEN after you have cleaned culture you can make LC or transfer the plate to a grain jar, ect. The point is you can do lots of things. Also the way genetics works is you have a higher probability of replicating those traits of a selected clone, not necessarily the exact mushroom that you have cloned
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Syntheticwords]
#22027544 - 08/01/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: I'd go to agar and skip lcs for the time being. Pasty plates are a great way to start. Once the culture is clean you can use it to make a grain master.
Well that will probably be ready o pick within the week and i don't think i'll have enough supplies for agar that soon. so lc is probably the easiest to do so soon.Quote:
Syntheticwords said: recently I selected my clones from a tub 1. Cut at base with sterile scapel 2. Cut open the base and recieve a tissue sample 3. Transfer sample to plastic bag and store in fridge until ready to use
Ready to use?
4. Prepre agar/ pasty plates 5. Flame tweezers/ scapel 6. Transfer tissue sample to plate (preferably in a SAB)
Before you make a LC Make some good clean culture with Pasty plates, THEN after you have cleaned culture you can make LC or transfer the plate to a grain jar, ect. The point is you can do lots of things. Also the way genetics works is you have a higher probability of replicating those traits of a selected clone, not necessarily the exact mushroom that you have cloned
What do you mean by that last sentence?
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22027578 - 08/01/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LCs should be taken to agar first to ensure a clean culture. Even then it's dicey and agar > g2g is generally better for new cultivators.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18081573/fpart/1/vc/1
If you have an asian grocery store nearby you can get agar today. The rest of the pasty plate tek is really easy to pick up too.
And that last sentence means that whatever genetics we see expressed are within the context of the environment. That pin for instance was right at the edge of the tub, possibly getting better FAE and humidity than the rest of your tub.
It may not pin across a whole tub like that, especially without a casing layer.
*edit* Don't get me wrong, it is a good candidate to clone. How it fairs later on though will depend on the environment it's grown in.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22028052 - 08/01/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Next time when doing bulk try and make your substrate a nice, smooth surface. You get better flushes that way. Also cloning small baby pins from a cluster will be your best bet. Just pick a small pin that's growing fast in a cluster, and drop it onto agar.
Your culture will also be more aggressive on agar since it is so young, and not old if you were to take a tissue sample of a mature mushroom.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22028118 - 08/01/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't clone a fruit that's almost at the end of its life cycle.
also you need more fae in your FC!
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: spacechildo]
#22028600 - 08/01/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I wouldn't clone a fruit that's almost at the end of its life cycle.
also you need more fae in your FC!
Looks like i have a bit of reading to do on cloning and agar and things. Seems like i can save a tissue sample in the fridge for a week or so while i look into it,
Alright, I think I'm going to add a third whole each long side as the wholes are only about an inch wide. May I ask what shows that I need more fae for the future?
One more question, is it a good idea to have the fan facing directly towards the holes if i need more fae? or will this dry the substrate out? sorry
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22028659 - 08/01/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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your mushroom is trying to escape
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: spacechildo]
#22028885 - 08/01/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fan facing directly will dry out the substrate. If you need more FAE, loosen the top holes.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Syntheticwords]
#22028897 - 08/01/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Syntheticwords said: recently I selected my clones from a tub 1. Cut at base with sterile scapel 2. Cut open the base and recieve a tissue sample 3. Transfer sample to plastic bag and store in fridge until ready to use
Ready to use?
4. Prepre agar/ pasty plates 5. Flame tweezers/ scapel 6. Transfer tissue sample to plate (preferably in a SAB)
Before you make a LC Make some good clean culture with Pasty plates, THEN after you have cleaned culture you can make LC or transfer the plate to a grain jar, ect. The point is you can do lots of things. Also the way genetics works is you have a higher probability of replicating those traits of a selected clone, not necessarily the exact mushroom that you have cloned
Ya dont cut the fruit open you tear it, cutting pushes contams to the inside, i also agree with tag and space, you certainly can clone a more mature fruit bu pins are better.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: taGyo]
#22029210 - 08/01/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone interested in a grow log when its done? hanks for all your helo, might just update here and maybe add some pictures to the op
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: cronicr]
#22029216 - 08/01/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Syntheticwords said: recently I selected my clones from a tub 1. Cut at base with sterile scapel 2. Cut open the base and recieve a tissue sample 3. Transfer sample to plastic bag and store in fridge until ready to use
Ready to use?
4. Prepre agar/ pasty plates 5. Flame tweezers/ scapel 6. Transfer tissue sample to plate (preferably in a SAB)
Before you make a LC Make some good clean culture with Pasty plates, THEN after you have cleaned culture you can make LC or transfer the plate to a grain jar, ect. The point is you can do lots of things. Also the way genetics works is you have a higher probability of replicating those traits of a selected clone, not necessarily the exact mushroom that you have cloned
Ya dont cut the fruit open you tear it, cutting pushes contams to the inside, i also agree with tag and space, you certainly can clone a more mature fruit bu pins are better.
Isnt the point of cloning to get the best growing fruits so that you can repeat that? How would you know if they were just pins?
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22029223 - 08/01/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because you can tell. If there's 20 pins in a cluster, and one or two are much larger and faster growing, its pretty safe to assume that will be a large mushroom.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22029228 - 08/01/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well it was indeed the first to push out, way more factors then size thopugh, i look for fast fruiteers and or nice clusters myself
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: cronicr]
#22029248 - 08/01/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like those traits you cant see 
stuff like the peyote ksss is really cool tho!
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: spacechildo]
#22032352 - 08/02/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn they grow quick, this is the next picture a day apart.

How long do you think it will be until I should decapitate it? (/when spores will drop).
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22032449 - 08/02/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22033061 - 08/02/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just checked on it and the mushroom has nearly fallen over, because some sidepins have pulled the substrate away from the wall and poked up haha. might just pick it toight instead.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22033188 - 08/02/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It looks ready.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: taGyo]
#22033212 - 08/02/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why don't you pick it 3 hours ago when it was ready instead of tonight?
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Inocuole]
#22033270 - 08/02/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Why don't you pick it 3 hours ago when it was ready instead of tonight?
I wasn't home when i posted the picture/said i'd pick it later. I just picked it anyway, weighs about 9 grams.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22033276 - 08/02/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good, good. Now eat it.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Inocuole]
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: taGyo]
#22033314 - 08/02/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If only there were two
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22034873 - 08/02/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol well, we're stoned and on gabapentin (trippy as it is) and so me and a friend ust split the mushie lol. half a gram dry roughly, should synergize with the two drugs already and affect it slightly i guess.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22042474 - 08/04/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just picked another few that were ready. There were three sidepins that poked through the side and ended up growing, and dropped their spores in the night, and another pretty heavy 12 gram mushroom. I don't think I'm really going to be able to tell the difference between first and second flush for now, as they're all growing at pretty different rates (though lots popped up overnight pretty evenly). Looking good here, probably could still do with more FAE but widening the holes is a bit awkward for now.
What's usually classed as a heavy mushroom for something like b+?
Edit: those mushrooms are a few hours into fan drying in case anyone was wondering.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22042514 - 08/04/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My biggest B+ have been about an eighth dry. I'm sure they can get a lot bigger though.
That cluster of four looks like a decent clone candidate.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22042544 - 08/04/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes cubensis can get very heavy. most of us dont care for the size of 1 fruit tho, we care for total harvest and that magic touch
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: spacechildo]
#22043546 - 08/04/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the tub needs more fresh air
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22043577 - 08/04/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Next time you do bulk make your substrate a nice, smooth surface on top.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22043767 - 08/04/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nwalker248 said: Lol well, we're stoned and on gabapentin (trippy as it is) and so me and a friend ust split the mushie lol. half a gram dry roughly, should synergize with the two drugs already and affect it slightly i guess.

Gabapentin??? I've been around the block more time then Earnhardt and hit just as many walls and never heard of that.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: TravelAgency]
#22043872 - 08/04/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nwalker248 said: Lol well, we're stoned and on gabapentin (trippy as it is) and so me and a friend ust split the mushie lol. half a gram dry roughly, should synergize with the two drugs already and affect it slightly i guess.

Gabapentin??? I've been around the block more time then Earnhardt and hit just as many walls and never heard of that.
It's a prescription painkiller for nerve damage. It is actually quite an incredible drug for what it's worth haha, I use it for meditation. Not sure what it does, but it feels like you're just a little bit stoned. But the second you close your eyes you get the CEV of a bunch of shrooms. Makes it hard as shit to sleep though, because you close your eyes and you get sort of patterny, grainy visuals made of just black and white light.
The half a gram was a nice touch. You could definitely notice it, brightness, looked at a flame and it had a nice hue and such.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22043893 - 08/04/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: Next time you do bulk make your substrate a nice, smooth surface on top.
Oh definitely I will do. There's a lot I could do better next time, but I don't think I've done too badly. 
It's my first proper grow. I tried the pf tek twice and got contams both times, 'nocced up some WBS and so just went into a bulk grow. Surprising so many people stick with PF tek for so long really.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22043898 - 08/04/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Color me intruiged. Thanks for the info
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22043930 - 08/04/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nwalker248 said: Surprising so many people stick with PF tek for so long really.
I was thinking the same thing, dealing with all those cakes and misting/fanning constantly really gets annoying after a while, not to mention much smaller yields. Bulk FTW!!!
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22043935 - 08/04/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: Next time you do bulk make your substrate a nice, smooth surface on top.
Oh definitely I will do. There's a lot I could do better next time, but I don't think I've done too badly. 
It's my first proper grow. I tried the pf tek twice and got contams both times, 'nocced up some WBS and so just went into a bulk grow. Surprising so many people stick with PF tek for so long really.
Indeed. You get better flushes with a flat surface. Don't pack it down though unless you're using straw. I never did the PF tek I went straight to bulk. No regrets
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22043943 - 08/04/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nwalker248 said: Surprising so many people stick with PF tek for so long really.
I was thinking the same thing, dealing with all those cakes and misting/fanning constantly really gets annoying after a while, not to mention much smaller yields. Bulk FTW!!! 
Cakes actually have a pretty high BE. For the most part, more than bulk subs.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
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nwalker248 said: Surprising so many people stick with PF tek for so long really.
I was thinking the same thing, dealing with all those cakes and misting/fanning constantly really gets annoying after a while, not to mention much smaller yields. Bulk FTW!!! 
Cakes actually have a pretty high BE. For the most part, more than bulk subs.
BE?
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22044030 - 08/04/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A simple Google search could have answered that.
But...BE is bio efficiency. Dry weight of material used vs. Wet weight of the mushrooms. When doing bulk you ideally want minimum 100% BE first flush.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22044060 - 08/04/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: A simple Google search could have answered that.
But...BE is bio efficiency. Dry weight of material used vs. Wet weight of the mushrooms. When doing bulk you ideally want minimum 100% BE first flush.
I promise you, i spent at least a few minutes searching Guess the next thing would be shroomery abbreviations.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22044069 - 08/04/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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BE isn't really a shroomery term. Its what all the commercial mushroom farms use.
Higher BE = more cash.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
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JohnnyR1ngo
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22044189 - 08/04/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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We all have to start somewhere, so I'll dive right in.. nwalker, when you began this grow was it a MS to agar or straight to grain jars..? And was it your intention to select some good genetics from a fruiting strain, say as to maybe get genetics for clusters of small fruits.. Looking for that canopy?
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044530 - 08/04/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seeing as it was my first actual grow (though 2 failed pf teks) I didn't bother with agar. My intentions for this grow, get something that I can actually eat haha. I went in with no intentions but did lots of reading for a few months. It was just straight up inocc'd jars from a print that Aero (commented a little while ago) provided, and then spawned to coir/verm. Not so much my intention to select good genetics no, but at this point I feel like it would probably speed things up if I was to get a nice clone. Would love to get a really nice and efficient grow going next time.
Got to work on the FAE (which I'm realizing I'm going to have to do tomorrow, and widen the top holes a fair amount), getting a better method of inoculation than MS grain jars, even out the substrate and probably a few other things I'll learn on the way to make things better. Reading into some other substrates at the minute, but without needing to properly pasteurize it, coir is pretty easy.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22044576 - 08/04/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nwalker248 said: Got to work on the FAE (which I'm realizing I'm going to have to do tomorrow, and widen the top holes a fair amount), getting a better method of inoculation than MS grain jars, even out the substrate and probably a few other things I'll learn on the way to make things better. Reading into some other substrates at the minute, but without needing to properly pasteurize it, coir is pretty easy.
Loosen the polyfil in the top holes until it's barely sitting in place. This will increase your FAE greatly and the pins will love it! Just keep an eye on the surface, don't let it dry out or growth will be stalled.
Inoculating grain jars with an agar wedge is a great method to achieve fast growth with a very low level of contam (always use the SAB).
And coir is very contam resistant, whether it's sterilized, bucket tek'd, or properly pasteurized, it still has a high level of success.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22044602 - 08/04/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did LC my 1st try... It seemed to all be going well, spawn looked good.. Hadn't learned to smell it yet then... Spawned to poo/verm... And it triched out on me... Looking back, I assume it was because I used te bucket tek w/ poo.. Will be properly pasteurising in the future..
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22044612 - 08/04/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said:
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nwalker248 said: Got to work on the FAE (which I'm realizing I'm going to have to do tomorrow, and widen the top holes a fair amount), getting a better method of inoculation than MS grain jars, even out the substrate and probably a few other things I'll learn on the way to make things better. Reading into some other substrates at the minute, but without needing to properly pasteurize it, coir is pretty easy.
Loosen the polyfil in the top holes until it's barely sitting in place. This will increase your FAE greatly and the pins will love it! Just keep an eye on the surface, don't let it dry out or growth will be stalled.
Inoculating grain jars with an agar wedge is a great method to achieve fast growth with a very low level of contam (always use the SAB).
And coir is very contam resistant, whether it's sterilized, bucket tek'd, or properly pasteurized, it still has a high level of success. 
The polyfill is nearly falling out at the minute. The holes are only an inch wide though, and so I really should widen them a little physically.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044614 - 08/04/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bucket tek with poo is trich city.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044618 - 08/04/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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JohnnyR1ngo said: I did LC my 1st try... It seemed to all be going well, spawn looked good.. Hadn't learned to smell it yet then... Spawned to poo/verm... And it triched out on me... Looking back, I assume it was because I used te bucket tek w/ poo.. Will be properly pasteurising in the future..
Ooooooo yeah bucket Tek is for coir not hpoo. Sorry about that buddy. Good luck on your next venture!
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: TravelAgency]
#22044683 - 08/04/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah.. I learned that one the hard way... Haven't tried again since.. But that AA75x keeps calling my name from out of that closet.. Ringo.... Ringo... I've been combing the threads and am considering looking into Franks 12- step program..
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044694 - 08/04/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's been 4 yrs... Does that make it born again first mono?
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044703 - 08/04/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you've got a bunch of hpoo and a food service thermometer and a big pot you're good to go on pasteurization.
You know, growing up I always thought "Fuck Louis, I like Brie and Camambert. " Now I know it's /true/ application. Thank you Monsieur Pasteur
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044723 - 08/04/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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JohnnyR1ngo said: But that AA75x keeps calling my name from out of that closet.. Ringo.... Ringo... I've been combing the threads and am considering looking into Franks 12- step program..
Nicee, I wanna get an AA sometime soon, I've been using a Presto and it's worked great so far.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: TravelAgency]
#22044735 - 08/04/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll need to invest in one, I did the bucket tek because I was unsure whether or not you could use 75x with lid off, with water 2/3 jar depth and adjust heat to pasterize in it?
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044740 - 08/04/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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AAs are great and all but my presto works fine.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044746 - 08/04/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a monster pc, I did 6 lg bags in one run...
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22044865 - 08/04/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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JohnnyR1ngo said: I'll need to invest in one, I did the bucket tek because I was unsure whether or not you could use 75x with lid off, with water 2/3 jar depth and adjust heat to pasterize in it?
Yes, that's how I pasteurize my bulk substrates!! I suggest keeping the lid on the PC loosely, so the jars will all heat up evenly. AND if you can get a digital meat thermometer, you can monitor the temps outside the PC, it's soo much easier!  Check out Frank's Pasteurization Tek, that's where I got started. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22045232 - 08/04/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sweet... I'll give it a go .. Currently waiting for something to microscopic study...
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22045343 - 08/05/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22052421 - 08/06/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just woke up this morning to a black substrate haha. Seems i left them a little too long and the spores dropped. Somehow the top of the caps on the tallest shrooms are black (and rubbed off), when nothing could have dropped ontop of it, so thats confused me a little.
Harvested first flush and came to 300g roughly. Not the best, but not too bad considering I used only a quart and a half of spawn.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: nwalker248]
#22052601 - 08/06/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mushrooms make their own wind, you'll always see the caps get black even if theres no mushroom cap above it
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22052664 - 08/06/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the fc has currents that moves your spores. everything that lives and breathes creates currents to some degree but they wont matter in a fc anyway.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: spacechildo]
#22052691 - 08/06/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: the fc has currents that moves your spores.
Indeed. Its a combination of both. Spores sometimes leave some pretty cool designs too.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22052696 - 08/06/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the current of the shrooms vs the fc currents is like you trying to affect the wind outside by blowing, doesnt do much.
spores are real light and can travel pretty far. like crossing oceans, maybe even through space!
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: spacechildo]
#22052719 - 08/06/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you say so
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22052774 - 08/06/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yup.
just like the currents you make arent responsible for blowing the hat off your head on a windy day!
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: spacechildo]
#22052826 - 08/06/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The mushrooms themselves are capable of moving spores 4 inches in any direction. It doesn't matter though OP, next time you know to harvest sooner lol. I made the same mistake my first time
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22052894 - 08/06/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: The mushrooms themselves are capable of moving spores 4 inches in any direction. It doesn't matter though OP, next time you know to harvest sooner lol. I made the same mistake my first time
Seems in this tub it's been about 12 hours after the black ring drops down to the stem really.
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Re: My first Monotub + question about cloning? [Re: Buck513]
#22052896 - 08/06/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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not sure how that would matter in the storm of currents a fc makes. but as you said it doesnt matter much, just the beauty of shroomery discussing minute matters.
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