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Jaffa4144
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DMT Extraction Help
#22027121 - 08/01/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi All,
I'm just curious, swim was expecting more of a yield from this - opinions?

600ml Deionised water 60g Mim Hostilis Root Bark 12g Caustic Soda
Added Naptha, heated, mixed and seperated the layers.
Left in the freezer for 24 hours, removed the Naptha and let the last bits evaporate.... This is what was left. swim recycled the Naptha and put it back into the solution for another pull but swim was expecting more. Granted this is swims first time so any comments would be greatly appreciated...
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Jaffa4144]
#22027374 - 08/01/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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How did you mix it? And what guide did you follow?
Personally I let the bottle sit in warm water(50c) for 10min then swirl and shake it. Then place it back into the warm water and let it sit for another 10min and repeat this for 5 times. If you get emulsion from shaking the bottle, add more Caustic Soda until the layers separate quick and easily. Let the bottle sit for some time until the layers have totally separated and then pull the layer.
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: qweqaz]
#22028863 - 08/01/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qweqaz said: How did you mix it? And what guide did you follow?
Personally I let the bottle sit in warm water(50c) for 10min then swirl and shake it. Then place it back into the warm water and let it sit for another 10min and repeat this for 5 times. If you get emulsion from shaking the bottle, add more Caustic Soda until the layers separate quick and easily. Let the bottle sit for some time until the layers have totally separated and then pull the layer.
Swim followed the guide by David Barlow, the video guide.
Do you think it's purely down to the fact that the Naptha didn't absorb enough DMT during the mixing? He used a borosilicate flask but don't have a lid to seal it, so he couldn't shake it vigerously.
One thing to note, he left the above glass tray for another few hours and there was a 'film' over most of it which when scraped became DMT, is this normal?
Edited by Jaffa4144 (08/01/15 02:46 PM)
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Jaffa4144]
#22028880 - 08/01/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats why you should have done it yourself.
Dont let Someone Who Isnt You do your extractions. they obviously dont know what they are doing.
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David barlow's video is what I started out following and my results are pretty good. Your DMT is still there tho, you just have to do more pulls. Practice makes perfect  Atleast you got something. Just try to get that naptha touch as much of the DMT that are in that other layer. Swirl it around, shake it etc. Just make sure you do not trap anything in emulsion. Check for emulsion and add more lye if needed.
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: qweqaz]
#22029130 - 08/01/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qweqaz said: David barlow's video is what I started out following and my results are pretty good. Your DMT is still there tho, you just have to do more pulls. Practice makes perfect  Atleast you got something. Just try to get that naptha touch as much of the DMT that are in that other layer. Swirl it around, shake it etc. Just make sure you do not trap anything in emulsion. Check for emulsion and add more lye if needed.
Thanks - can you clarify what you mean by emulsion?
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Jaffa4144]
#22029276 - 08/01/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Emulsion is what you get when you mix two substances with eachother intensly enough so that its troplets becomes so small that it takes a lot of time for the two substances to separate (you add complexity to it inaway) Easy experiment is to add oil into water and see how the droplets easily loosen up and the two layers separate easily, if you shake the container more and the droplets become smaller and you add complexity to it. Will take more time for the two layers to separate. This is emulsion. When you add too little lye you will cause the emulsion to take way too long to separate. Some say that you should avoid emulsion, but all you need to do is add more lye. You will see what I mean when you get the emulsion and you want to bring it back to normal. Adding more lye and the speed of the two layers to separate will be really fast.
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: qweqaz]
#22029392 - 08/01/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qweqaz said: Emulsion is what you get when you mix two substances with eachother intensly enough so that its troplets becomes so small that it takes a lot of time for the two substances to separate (you add complexity to it inaway) Easy experiment is to add oil into water and see how the droplets easily loosen up and the two layers separate easily, if you shake the container more and the droplets become smaller and you add complexity to it. Will take more time for the two layers to separate. This is emulsion. When you add too little lye you will cause the emulsion to take way too long to separate. Some say that you should avoid emulsion, but all you need to do is add more lye. You will see what I mean when you get the emulsion and you want to bring it back to normal. Adding more lye and the speed of the two layers to separate will be really fast.
That is very informative. Thank you.
I'll let you know how I get on..... let's hope that practise really does make perfect
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Jaffa4144]
#22032006 - 08/02/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is that what you mean by emulsion? There's the clear layer, then the darkish brown layer and finally the dark brown layer.
This is after about 10 minutes settling after being shook/stirred. I've had a small layer of the darkish brown stuff between the two other layers every time.
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Jaffa4144]
#22032330 - 08/02/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Right, if you look at the line where the two layers separate(after about 60min in your case as the emulsion is pretty strong), it should be sharp and not bumpy. In your case i would add another 10g of caustic soda and shake it around until it dissolves and you will see that the emulsion will be gone much faster and easier.
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: qweqaz]
#22033192 - 08/02/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like good results but you're just working with such a tiny amount. The first picture looks like about ~40mg scattered across the pan. That's pretty close to a normal first pull. Will take 3-4 to get out most of the 1.5% DMT in there. Working with 60 grams only allows you to get out like 90mg though, barely enough for two doses. If you're going to go through all the steps and multiple pulls I think you're best off working with at least 250g at a time.
And that pan looks big for the amount of naphtha. Maybe try finding a smaller container or partially evaporate the solvent before freeze precipitating. Either should focus the crystals to build more on each other instead of spread out so tiny.
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Jaffa4144]
#22033210 - 08/02/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You've got 3 layers. The biggest layer - the black stuff, there's dmt n shit like that Second layer - it's kinda black, but it looks like shit, idk if it's useful, SWIM usually removes it too (It could be done by filtrating, or removing with syringe) Third layer - naphta with, depends on the PH of the black stuff, dmt or fat.
Edited by hobowizard (08/02/15 12:13 PM)
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Icon]
#22033884 - 08/02/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icon said: ....that pan looks big for the amount of naphtha. Maybe try finding a smaller container or partially evaporate the solvent before freeze precipitating. Either should focus the crystals to build more on each other instead of spread out so tiny.
Exactly what I was thinking. I think if the OP pre-evaporated some of the solvent before freeze-precip there would have certainly been a somewhat higher yield for the first pull....same goes for a smaller container.
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...The first picture looks like about ~40mg scattered across the pan....Working with 60 grams only allows you to get out like 90mg though, barely enough for two doses....
Are you saying 60 grams of bark will only yield 90mg of dmt in total?...or just per pull?
Because people are getting much higher amounts than that from bark. I've heard of people getting around 1g+ of dmt per 100g of bark, so around 500mg would be expected from 60g of bark.
.....Or am I way too lifted to be doing such simple maths at the moment ?
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: openmind]
#22035110 - 08/02/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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openmind said:
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...The first picture looks like about ~40mg scattered across the pan....Working with 60 grams only allows you to get out like 90mg though, barely enough for two doses....
Are you saying 60 grams of bark will only yield 90mg of dmt in total?...or just per pull?
Because people are getting much higher amounts than that from bark. I've heard of people getting around 1g+ of dmt per 100g of bark, so around 500mg would be expected from 60g of bark.
.....Or am I way too lifted to be doing such simple maths at the moment ?.
Oops, you're right, I'm the one stoned lol. My math was missing a zero, OP should be able to get 900mg out of 60g bark. So yea, now that first pull does seem very small. Hmmm...
Only other factor I can think of is temperature. Naphtha is only so great when you're extracting with it hot, then freezing it. If the bark mix is just at room temperature the whole process will be a lot slower and less yielding. I extract around 135F and can get about a third of the DMT at a time that way.
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Re: DMT Extraction Help [Re: Jaffa4144]
#22036017 - 08/03/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jaffa4144 said: I'm just curious, swim was expecting more of a yield from this.
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Is it bad if plastic dish is used for dmt to crystallize? (the one you put in the freezer)?
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As long as its solvent safe, but scraping crystals off plastic is no fun I always use a glass petri
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