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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2197831 - 12/23/03 01:18 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)


God if we believe in him as a concious omnipotent entity, created
millions of souls into situations and enviroments in which if he is
omniscient , he KNEW THEY WOULD FAIL, and then punished them to
eternal torment without redemption.

A good point. It is unknowable however if God does control reality
completely and we have the illusion of free will, or if He sits back
and lets us act and we live with the random consequences. Either way
He knows that some people will fail no matter what. How can He ask
us to attain such a high and improbable goal?

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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: MAIA]
    #2197837 - 12/23/03 01:21 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)


Would you like to take the red pill, or the blue pill ?


I would opt for ignorant bliss(whichever pill that was).

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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2197842 - 12/23/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)


What task is this?


To act in a responsible manner. To strive for what God wants us
to strive for.

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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2197843 - 12/23/03 01:26 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
To strive for what God wants us
to strive for.




Which is?
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2197857 - 12/23/03 01:33 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:

Would you like to take the red pill, or the blue pill ?


I would opt for ignorant bliss(whichever pill that was).




Now ya done it. You got the attention of fireworks_god.

In my humble opinion, based on my "brain-washing" as I was growing up, and based on the "brain-washing" of the Christian church, we are not "striving" for anything.

(Now, I am not about to say that the only people going to heaven, if there is such a place, are Christians.)

To go to heaven, you simply accept Jesus as your savior. There is nothing else you can "strive" for because we are sinners and guilty of all sin at all times. It is only by the grace of God that we are forgiven and able to enter into heaven.

You don't have to "strive".


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2197878 - 12/23/03 01:40 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)


To strive for what God wants us
to strive for.


Which is?


I have no clue. And neither does anybody else.

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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: Frog]
    #2197888 - 12/23/03 01:45 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)


To go to heaven, you simply accept Jesus as your savior. There is
nothing else you can "strive" for because we are sinners and guilty
of all sin at all times. It is only by the grace of God that we are
forgiven and able to enter into heaven.

You don't have to "strive".


Most people in the Christian church do focus more on faith than
works as the path to God. They say because we are hopeless sinners,
that our faith alone is what will redeem us in the eyes of God.

However, all denominations of Christianity still try to dictate
what types of actions we can and can't do. They try to influence
the "works" area of humanity because the "works" are what actually
affect real people in this world.

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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2197918 - 12/23/03 01:59 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
I have no clue.  And neither does anybody else.




Exactly. If we don't know the will of God, then we should just live our lives as we see fit, with our own meaning... probably striving to advance and keep our species going, since it seems to be the only way to carry on...

This is probably the way it is suspossed to go. :grin:
Peace.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2201712 - 12/26/03 04:33 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

animals have choices to make too.... we've just evolved way more rediculous choices than they have, and we're confusing the fuck out of ourselves. :wink:


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Re: Has choice doomed mankind? [Re: Strumpling]
    #2202671 - 12/26/03 06:36 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

seem like some things arent very predictable :wink: but thats what all animals face, is uncertainty. Natural Selection ? :smile:

its good to see you again, havent seen you around the boards much lately. :laugh:


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