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Janky Tits
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Religious people
#22024141 - 07/31/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who on here subscribes to one of the 3 abrahamic religions? Islam, Judaism, Christianity. And I'm not talking about being culturally religious like "Oh I'm a Catholic but I don't believe in god". I'm talking about do you believe that shit.
I think it is hard to be a believer in one of these religions and be a hardcore enlightened psychedelic user. I haven't been religious for years but I strongly remember after doing acid and DMT I grew strong contempt for religions and religious people most specifically Islam and Catholicism which have rotten and fucked up principles at their core.
I think the only place their are religious Psychedelic users are in South America and Mexico where the shamans practice some form of enlightened psychedelic Christianity. I remember hearing this Shaman/Ayahuascero singing some Jesus song in Spanish and talking about god and the Virgin Mary
I think it might be possible for a non-denominational or liberal Jewish person to use them and be hardcore but a Muslim user is impossible. Islam at its core demands absolute obedience to its dogma and psychedelics will revile Islamic teaching and concepts and it's extremely incompatible.
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Spiritual beliefs are such a personal thing that I think it's hard to lump people into particular archetypes based on their profession of religion.
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Religion and psycadelics can turn into psychosis quickly. Most people in America are Christains, so this explains why the drugs are illegal. Muslim terrorist have been known to take LSD. Psychedelics can motivate and brainwash people, if they are willing participants. The CIA experimented heavily in brainwashing. With psychosis you believe everything, with religion you believe everything. Maybe people get fucked up on religion. They call the high the "holy spirit', and this ghost directs them and can speak. Who the fuck knew this wasn't schizophrenia? If church was as interesting as being stoned on acid or weed or whatever, I'd show up from time to time. But church isn't like that, the wine isn't whiskey. I
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Re: Religious people [Re: Morel Guy]
#22024265 - 07/31/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The government experimented with using psychedelics to brainwash people, and then stopped because it didn't work.
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Re: Religious people [Re: LSDreamer]
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yeah they found that caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine do a much better job.
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I know very little about brainwashing. A lot of the psych meds probably do an even better job. Sometimes psych meds go horribly wrong too. I think the Government doesn't want to radicalize people, even their own people. Sober training keeps the, motivated enough as is. But this is about religion, something I never quite accepted. Religion never gave me much power over doubt. Psycadelics was a religion to me, but it never really gave answers. I suppose I am a spiritual drifter.
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: Catholicism which has rotten and fucked up principles at their core.
Explain.
atypical 'pscychonaught', "my drug induced stupor gave me profound insight, I have found secret wisdom, I spit upon your beliefs because the drugs said so".
Stop while your ahead lest you end up like WS
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I'm against all man made religion, because I believe its all bullshit. I do hope however that by some fucking miracle there is a god and a afterlife because meeting your loved ones after you die for eternity is so appealing.
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nicechrisman said: yeah they found that caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine do a much better job.
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The truly vile and corrupt burning in a lake of fire is also appealing.
Except in Islam, they believe in hell like a prison. Your time burning is directly proportional to your sins.
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Re: Religious people [Re: Morel Guy]
#22024691 - 07/31/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I know very little about brainwashing. A lot of the psych meds probably do an even better job. Sometimes psych meds go horribly wrong too. I think the Government doesn't want to radicalize people, even their own people. Sober training keeps the, motivated enough as is. But this is about religion, something I never quite accepted. Religion never gave me much power over doubt. Psycadelics was a religion to me, but it never really gave answers. I suppose I am a spiritual drifter.
As someone who has gone from being suicidal to happy and functional as a result of psychiatric medication, sentiments like this kinda bother me.
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myc_check1212 said: The truly vile and corrupt burning in a lake of fire is also appealing.
Except in Islam, they believe in hell like a prison. Your time burning is directly proportional to your sins.
To be honest it all sounds like a bunch of myths. Islam stands out most as being just a myth because of how isolated it is Western and Central Asia and how it almost exclusively panders to a group of peoples aka Arabs. Of course Turks, Bosniaks, Albanians, Pakis, Kazkahs, Tatars etc are all not Arabs and they are all Muslims but still Islam regardless is just a Arabian myth that also appeals to neighboring people. A arab made it for the sake of conquering Arabia and spreading his influence, nothing more. At least Christianity is more believable in that it panders to everyone not just a specific caste of people like Islam does. Jesus apparently also wasn't a conquering barbaric pedophile like Mohammed and well you know not being that makes it more believable that you are a righteous messenger of god. Regardless I'm an Ietsist and propose that there may or may not be some sort of transcendent powerful intelligent life force out there and that such a thing cannot be determined and thus religions like Islam and Christianity are pointless.
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want but that's just my opinion
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myc_check1212 said: The truly vile and corrupt burning in a lake of fire is also appealing.
Except in Islam, they believe in hell like a prison. Your time burning is directly proportional to your sins.
Common who wants to burn in hell? I don't believe in sin, but I wish that an afterlife exists where you would stay with your loved ones for eternity. A person can dream right?
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You missed the point.
Seeing loved ones and friends is swell. The wicked burning so they don't come and fuck up your "after party" is swell too.
As it says in Genesis 10:12 "dont be a dick"
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nicechrisman said: yeah they found that caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine do a much better job.
I love that combo
How's that government mind control workin for you bro? I bet you drink floridized water too.
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Xplicit RelapzZ said:
I think it is hard to be a believer in one of these religions and be a hardcore enlightened psychedelic user. ...but a Muslim user is impossible. Islam at its core demands absolute obedience to its dogma and psychedelics will revile Islamic teaching and concepts and it's extremely incompatible.
The problem is the church not the religions. There is a tradition in Islam called Sufism. Check it out.
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Re: Religious people [Re: spock]
#22024929 - 07/31/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah Sufism is pretty awesome and many say it is the original school of Islam before it became politicized. Also have you guys seen the pictures of mosque ceilings? These guys HAD to have been taking some kind of tryptamines
http://www.boredpanda.com/mosque-ceilings/
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: At least Christianity is more believable in that it panders to everyone not just a specific caste of people like Islam does.
You don't know what you are talking about. Most Muslims live in Asia. Islam is all inclusive as far as caste,race,region...
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nicechrisman said: Yeah Sufism is pretty awesome and many say it is the original school of Islam before it became politicized. Also have you guys seen the pictures of mosque ceilings? These guys HAD to have been taking some kind of tryptamines
http://www.boredpanda.com/mosque-ceilings/
Alright there obviously are Muslims out there who are peaceful but it cannot be denied that the foundations of Islam are rotten, backward, and intolerant and that it's founder was a conquerer war lord who spread Islam with the sword.
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Sounds like you have some preconceived notions and an axe to grind my friend.
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nicechrisman said: Yeah Sufism is pretty awesome and many say it is the original school of Islam before it became politicized. Also have you guys seen the pictures of mosque ceilings? These guys HAD to have been taking some kind of tryptamines
http://www.boredpanda.com/mosque-ceilings/
Politics fucks up religion. That was Jesus's true message.
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nicechrisman said: Yeah Sufism is pretty awesome and many say it is the original school of Islam before it became politicized. Also have you guys seen the pictures of mosque ceilings? These guys HAD to have been taking some kind of tryptamines
http://www.boredpanda.com/mosque-ceilings/
Alright there obviously are Muslims out there who are peaceful but it cannot be denied that the foundations of Islam are rotten, backward, and intolerant and that it's founder was a conquerer war lord who spread Islam with the sword.
Islam is not spread by the sword. Most Muslims are Asian. They were not conquered Peace Spock.
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Re: Religious people [Re: spock]
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nicechrisman said: Yeah Sufism is pretty awesome and many say it is the original school of Islam before it became politicized. Also have you guys seen the pictures of mosque ceilings? These guys HAD to have been taking some kind of tryptamines
http://www.boredpanda.com/mosque-ceilings/
Politics fucks up religion. That was Jesus's true message.
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I think you have the causation arrow pointed the wrong way.
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Re: Religious people [Re: spock]
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nicechrisman said: Yeah Sufism is pretty awesome and many say it is the original school of Islam before it became politicized. Also have you guys seen the pictures of mosque ceilings? These guys HAD to have been taking some kind of tryptamines
http://www.boredpanda.com/mosque-ceilings/
Politics fucks up religion. That was Jesus's true message.
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Yeah if he could only see how politicized his church has become...
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nicechrisman said: Yeah Sufism is pretty awesome and many say it is the original school of Islam before it became politicized. Also have you guys seen the pictures of mosque ceilings? These guys HAD to have been taking some kind of tryptamines
http://www.boredpanda.com/mosque-ceilings/
Politics fucks up religion. That was Jesus's true message.
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I think you have the causation arrow pointed the wrong way.
Religion really fucks up politics. No doubt. Wise to keep them apart. Peace Spock
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All beliefs about anything supernatural are dumb since we don't and can't have an answer and this universe is so complex that we're probably so far off it's pathetic, I hope this is all I get to experience, and that there is nothing else after this life, but that's just me.
Live your life based on this reality, not on something you can't know about, even if you think you do.
Then again, 72 virgins sounds pretty awesome, sucks you'd only have virgins for 72 days or less, but still
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I agree, I think it's all ridiculous and I see no reason to not criticize it's ridiculousness. I respect shamanism, Buddhism, and some sects of Hinduism because the overall message and it's principles are at peace and promote peace. I don't know a single shamanist or Buddhist terrorist.
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I think criticizing organized religion is fine, the average religious person I've met though, I feel no need to tell them they're wrong, since there is always a slight possibility they could be right, but their beliefs don't effect me and 95% don't bring it up usually, while organized religion very much effects other people.
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Yeah that's cool, you respect 'everything else'. Now explain the torch you carry for Christianity/Catholicism.
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myc_check1212 said: Yeah that's cool, you respect 'everything else'. Now explain the torch you carry for Christianity/Catholicism.
I use to be catholic, all Catholicism did for me is plant subconscious seeds of guilt and confusion. Because of Catholicism I have subconscious guilt for my sexuality and because of Catholicism I grew up in an intolerant family environment where my personality was heavily repressed for the sake of catholic values. The Catholic Church is an outright abomination bent on authoritarian control over peoples personal way of lives. It's an evil political institution meant to be keep people enslaved to dark age morals. Catholicism threw me into a deep depression, when I found out my girlfriend at the time was an atheist I was tormented by the idea that she was going to burn in hell and it ruined our relationship and threw me into a deep depression. Catholicism and fundamental Christianity is toxic and has done nothing but poisoned my life.
I have respect for the Jesus Movement and some non-denominational groups that are more liberal but Catholicism and Protestantism fucking blow almost as much as Islam.
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