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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: blissedout]
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blissedout said: there is no lethal dose of L.
Massive LSD overdose is most definitely fatal:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129381/
The only reason these people didn't die was because they got to a hospital very quickly once they realized that the "coke" they snorted was LSD.
Edit: It looks like 3 of the 8 subjects probably would have survived without medical intervention, but the other 5 went into comas. Three of them stopped breathing. The other two vomited while comatose.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: o8u]
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
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you must be new here.
You must not know what it looks like when someone ODs on it and starts seizuring until atropine is administered with a shit-ton of benzos.
I'll agree its not very toxic and nobody should ever be exposed to enough to die but to say that it is impossible to die on something that potent and derived from ergotamines is a bit of a stretch 
The cop that got dosed in oakland a couple years ago for not shaving properly before suiting up and the guy that got caught in customs after ODing from wearing a shirt soaked in solution come to mind.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Toadstool5]
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you must be new here.
You must not know what it looks like when someone ODs on it and starts seizuring until atropine is administered with a shit-ton of benzos.
I'll agree its not very toxic and nobody should ever be exposed to enough to die but to say that it is impossible to die on something that potent and derived from ergotamines is a bit of a stretch 
The cop that got dosed in oakland a couple years ago for not shaving properly before suiting up and the guy that got caught in customs after ODing from wearing a shirt soaked in solution come to mind.
Still there's thumbprints and eventually if you take enough its on you like eating or absorbing a million hits of acid is just some dumb shit. Anyone who overdose on acid is ether retarded or has a mental problem that caused them to go bonkers ether way they should never have had access to a healing chemical if they're going to use it like a but if your smart you would know that a million hits is a lethal dose and not do that. Seriously dont say LSD is something that can kill you when you would have to be a retarded rich man to even try and do that much. Its like saying a really fast car killed the driver when it was the drivers dumbass that drove it as fast as they could straight at a cliff dont blame the car blame the .
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: thewanderer25]
#22030907 - 08/01/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's pretty standard for LSD to be weighed by the medium it's on/in. Liquid, blotter ect ect. It's the way the law is written at least at the federal level. Drop a hit into a swimming pool and your technically in possession of a swimming pool amount LSD. It's fucking retarded but not shocking drug laws can be so flawed by the people americans vote into office.
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Dude the ocean man what if I dropped a tab in the ocean? Thats like billions of life sentences
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: thewanderer25]
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thewanderer25 said: Dude the ocean man what if I dropped a tab in the ocean? Thats like billions of life sentences 
first you'd have to figure out a way to possess the ocean
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Toadstool5]
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you must be new here.
You must not know what it looks like when someone ODs on it and starts seizuring until atropine is administered with a shit-ton of benzos.
I'll agree its not very toxic and nobody should ever be exposed to enough to die but to say that it is impossible to die on something that potent and derived from ergotamines is a bit of a stretch 
The cop that got dosed in oakland a couple years ago for not shaving properly before suiting up and the guy that got caught in customs after ODing from wearing a shirt soaked in solution come to mind.
What? Just what? Can you tell us about your friend that thinks he is a glass of orange juice?
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Toadstool5]
#22032725 - 08/02/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"It's not very toxic at all"
Try it's one of the most non-toxic substances to be found inside and outside of nature.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Toadstool5]
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you must be new here.
You must not know what it looks like when someone ODs on it and starts seizuring until atropine is administered with a shit-ton of benzos.
I'll agree its not very toxic and nobody should ever be exposed to enough to die but to say that it is impossible to die on something that potent and derived from ergotamines is a bit of a stretch 
The cop that got dosed in oakland a couple years ago for not shaving properly before suiting up and the guy that got caught in customs after ODing from wearing a shirt soaked in solution come to mind.
If you don't have a source for those incidents I'm going to have to say they didn't happen. LSD can't be ingested through skin contact.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: D.M.T]
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you must be new here.
You must not know what it looks like when someone ODs on it and starts seizuring until atropine is administered with a shit-ton of benzos.
I'll agree its not very toxic and nobody should ever be exposed to enough to die but to say that it is impossible to die on something that potent and derived from ergotamines is a bit of a stretch 
The cop that got dosed in oakland a couple years ago for not shaving properly before suiting up and the guy that got caught in customs after ODing from wearing a shirt soaked in solution come to mind.
If you don't have a source for those incidents I'm going to have to say they didn't happen. LSD can't be ingested through skin contact.
You obviously haven't heard of bicycle day. The whole reason LSD was discovered is because hoffman spilled some on his hand. It most certainly does absorb from skin contact and that's the only way anyone ever gets hurt from it. But still people need to be careful around it or else its on them the only reason hoffman spilled some is because he had no clue how potent it is so had no clue to be on guard. I thank whatever god exists that hoffman spilled some on him that day otherwise LSD would still be waiting to be discovered.
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he's aware of cycle day.
there's lots of controversy surrounding that day and how he tripped.
check out what david nichols has to say about it.
swiss chemists were famous for how meticulous and careful they were. it's pretty damn unlikely he spilled it on his hand, and there's even been lots of reports of people not getting dosed from tons of exposure to the skin. it needs to hit blood for that to occur it seems.
long story short, nothing is certain with any of this.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: blissedout]
#22033358 - 08/02/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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blissedout said: Supposedly, this girl, Erin, is connected to the MAPS group, too?? If that's the case, she should be ashamed of herself.
Where did you see that? That's extra fucked up if so.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
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...man.
Don't even know what to say, that's so much.
I bet someone is Really disappointed with them, how could they be so careless. I am more careful with really small things. I too find it hard to believe it was the much xtal in weight but still, that must have been A lot.
Just read it was 2 grams. Man.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
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Hofmann himself says the just assumed that he must have had some contact with the LSD to start tripping. Obviously, any logical person would make that assumption. He never said "I was fucking around in the lab without any proper personal safety gear and dumped 5 grams on my hand and started tripping out later..." He basically says "I must have had some contact with it because later I started feeling wonky and had to leave work." Most likely, he inhaled some over the course of the time he was working with it that day, because the first trip that gave him the indication that it was active wasn't that intense. It was his second experience when he intentionally ingested it that sent him to the moon.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Shpongle1]
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yea its so annoying when ppl claim they put a drop of L on their hand and started frying.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: SurReality]
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Idk man who cares really I just eat it if someone wants to place it on their hand then thats fine with me. Im just going to worry about me the L will find me when im ready and I just eat it but to worry about what others do with it is silly. (sorry im a little dizzy just finished with hyperspace idk if my post sounds weird or even makes sense)
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: thewanderer25]
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thewanderer25 said: You obviously haven't heard of bicycle day. The whole reason LSD was discovered is because hoffman spilled some on his hand. It most certainly does absorb from skin contact and that's the only way anyone ever gets hurt from it. But still people need to be careful around it or else its on them the only reason hoffman spilled some is because he had no clue how potent it is so had no clue to be on guard. I thank whatever god exists that hoffman spilled some on him that day otherwise LSD would still be waiting to be discovered.
I've always suspected Albert Hofmann wasn't being entirely truthful when he said it was an accident, but I've also suspected he or someone under his supervision produced a lot of the LSD I've had
But yeah, I think he had a hunch one day that LSD would get him high and went for it. Maybe he'd ingested other compounds before it that we don't know about too. I bet if we go through the catalog of chemicals Hofmann worked with there's another psychoactive one all have overlooked.
The DMSO+LSD squirt gun Abbie Hoffman (no relation) supposedly shot people with is a myth though. Nick Sand, among others, proved LSD doesn't work like that.
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: D.M.T]
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http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1011615-overview#1
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Psychomimetic symptoms
Adverse effects of LSD use can include the following:
Panic reaction - May be triggered by an unexpected stressful setting Amplification of unconscious fears Self aggression Suicidal or homicidal ideation Fear of going insane or of the inability to return to normal Perception of rapid aging of self or others Profound depression Somatic symptoms
Somatic symptoms of LSD toxicity, which are usually due to sympathomimetic effects, include the following:
Mydriasis Hypertension Tachycardia Flushing Sweating Loss of appetite Nausea Diarrhea Dry mouth Drowsiness Sleeplessness Weakness Paresthesias Tremors Hyperactive reflexes Piloerection Mild pyrexia Seizures - Rare; typically with doses above 10 mcg/kg Massive overdoses can lead to the following[1, 2] :
Respiratory arrest Intracranial hemorrhage Cardiac arrhythmias Coma - Very rare Emesis Hyperthermia Autonomic instability Coagulopathies Rhabdomyolysis Seizures LSD has been found to be responsible for triggering serotonin syndrome in patients already using precipitating drug combinations (serotonin precursors or agonists, serotonin-release stimulators, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors [SSRIs], nonselective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors, nonspecific inhibitors of 5-HT metabolism).[5]
The basic tenet of caring for patients who have ingested hallucinogens such as LSD is reassurance in a calm, stress-free environment that is safe for both patient and healthcare professionals. Rarely, patients need to be either sedated or physically restrained. Benzodiazepines can safely be given to treat agitation.[1, 2] Butyrophenones such as haloperidol may be required, although there is a small theoretic risk of lowering the seizure threshold.[1]
Massive ingestions of LSD should be treated with supportive care, including respiratory support and endotracheal intubation if needed. The following should be treated symptomatically:
Hypertension Tachycardia Hyperthermia Hypotension - Should be treated initially with fluids and subsequently with pressors if required
it doesnt absorb though the skin unless there are small cuts on you but if you are exposin yourself to a lot in a small room and have knicks on your face for shaving then its going hit you hard 
Here we are, msds sheet, something none of you have probably ever considered looking at.
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_data_sheet.shtml
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LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE: 700 NG/KG ORAL-HUMAN TDLO; 2857 NG/KG ORAL-HUMAN TDLO; 857 NG/KG ORAL-HUMAN TDLO; 750 NG/KG INTRAMUSCULAR-HUMAN TDLO; 16 MG/KG INTRAVENOUS-RAT LD50; 50 MG/KG INTRAPERITONEAL-MOUSE LD50; 46 MG/KG INTRAVENOUS-MOUSE LD50; 300 UG/KG INTRAVENOUS-RABBIT LD50; 16 MG/KG SUBCUTANEOUS-GUINEA PIG LD50; 1800 UG/KG ORAL-WILD BIRD LD50; MUTAGENIC EFFECTS DATA (RTECS); REPRODUCTIVE EFFECTS DATA (RTECS). CARCINOGEN STATUS: NONE. LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE IS TOXIC PARENTERALLY. POISONING DUE TO PSYCHOTOMIMETIC AGENTS MAY AFFECT THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. PERSONS WITH EMOTIONAL DISTURBANCES OR ORGANIC BRAIN DISEASE MAY BE AT INCREASED RISK FROM EXPOSURE. CROSS TOLERENCE BETWEEN DIFFERENT PSYCHOTOMIMETIC AGENTS MAY OCCUR. INTERACTIONS WITH MEDICATIONS HAVE BEEN REPORTED.
ACUTE EXPOSURE- INGESTION OF PSYCHOTOMIMETIC AGENTS MAY CAUSE NAUSEA, VOMITING, OCCASIONAL DIARRHEA, SWEATING, HEADACHE, HYPERTENSION, TACHYCARDIA, TWITCHING, HYPERREFLEXIA, TREMORS AND INCOORDINATION. BILATERALLY DILATED AND REACTIVE PUPILS, NYSTAGMUS, AND PHOTOPHOBIA MAY OCCUR. VASODILATION, HYPOTENSION AND RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION MAY OCCUR AT DOSES OF 20-60 MG/KG. BRADYCARDIA MAY BE PRESENT AT HIGHER DOSES. CONVULSIONS AND COMA HAVE BEEN REPORTED. EFFECTS ON THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM MAY INCLUDE EUPHORIA, HYPEREXCITABILITY AND ALERTNESS, RAMBLING SPEECH, DELIRIA, UNCONTROLLABILITY, TRANSCENDENTAL MOOD, DISTRACTABILITY, DEPERSONALIZATION AND IMPAIRMENT OF JUDGEMENT. A TEMPORARY PSYCHOTIC STATE WITH SENSORY ILLUSIONS, DISTORTIONS OR VISUAL HALLUCINATIONS CONSISTING OF SHIMMERING INTENSIFICATION OF COLOR AND TEXTURE, BRIGHTLY COLORED LIGHTS, GEOMETRIC DESIGNS, ANIMALS AND OCCASIONALLY HUMAN IMAGES MAY OCCUR. HEARING OR TASTING COLORS AND SEEING SOUNDS HAVE BEEN REPORTED. RARELY, ANXIETY, FEARFUL AUDITORY, VISUAL AND TACTILE HALLUCINATIONS, PANIC STATES AND PARANOID DELUSIONS, SUSPICIOUSNESS, EMOTIONAL LABILITY, INTENSE DEPRESSION, LOSS OF CONTROL, SUICIDAL IDEATION AND SELF DESTRUCTIVE OR AGGRESSIVE ACTS MAY OCCUR. DEATHS HAVE RESULTED FROM HALLUCINATORY EFFECTS LEADING TO ACCIDENTAL DEATH. ADDITIONAL EFFECTS DUE TO LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE MAY INCLUDE SALIVATION, LACRIMATION, HYPERPYREXIA, HYPERTENSION, PILOERECTION, SPASTIC PARESIS, HYPERACUSIS, SUGGESTIBILITY, PROLONGED PSYCHOSIS, RARELY, HYPERGLYCEMIA AND INTERNAL CAROTID ARTERIOSPASM WITH RESULTANT CEREBRAL ANOXIA AND SEIZURES. INFLAMMATORY FIBROSIS HAS BEEN REPORTED. STUDIES INDICATE THAT DEATH IN ANIMALS IS DUE TO RESPIRATORY FAILURE OR HYPERTHERMIA. IN THE HUMAN ADULT, LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH BREAKS AND OTHER STRUCTURAL ABNORMALITIES OF CHROMOSOMES. A SINGLE STUDY OF PREGNANCIES OCCURRING AFTER MEDICALLY ADMINISTERED DOSES DID NOT SHOW AN INCREASE IN THE RATE OF SPONTANEOUS ABORTIONS, PREMATURE BIRTHS, OR CONGENITAL DEFECTS OVER THE NORM. HOWEVER, BIRTH OF ABNORMAL BABIES HAS FOLLOWED CONSUMPTION OF ILLICIT LSD BY THE MOTHER IN EARLY PREGNANCY.
Like i said, at about 300 to 400mg in someone without a tolerance, they will go tense, start seizuring, and then their body temp climbs over 104°F before the spasms cease regular function of the diaphragm and you suffocate to death.
Will any of you ever have access to 500mg or ever take it? No, thats why there are not a lot of deaths attributed to it but take it from someone who lives in california, the center for the 1960's acid wave, you can OD and die on lsd 
I have even talked to a chemist in tolumne county that used to produce in the 1980s. Toxicity from exposure was a bigger conscern than being caught. They always taped up and used respirators as well as having atropine and benzos for treatment coupled with cpr if they were to become poisoned. 40g in a small room is more than enough to give you a good 300mg hit if it gets thrown into the air and you breathe it in and get it in your eyes/nose.
One more for good measure because im sure somebody will still swear that its safe:
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And in Psychedelics Encyclopedia, Peter Stafford summarizes: For those concerned about immediate medical hazards in ingesting LSD [...] Abram Hoffer has estimated, on the basis of animal studies, that the half-lethal human dose--meaning half would die (a standard measure for drugs)--would be about 14,000 [ug]. But one person who took 40 mg. (40,000 [ug]) survived. In the only case of death reportedly caused by overdose ([Griggs and Ward, 1977]), the quantity of LSD in the blood indicated that 320 mg. (320,000 [ug]) had been injected intravenously.2
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Re: 220 grams of LSD found in traffic stop [Re: Toadstool5]
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An MS/DS for LSD is useless. An MS/DS would make make water look dangerous.. Those LD50s are also useless. Using just the ones closest to humans would give you an estimate of somewhere between 12mg and over 5 grams.
That Griggs & Ward literature you mentioned was just an estimate by the authors. They couldn't determine the dose. All they knew is the guy injected a bunch of LSD thinking it was speed. The real dose was probably a bit higher than 40mg.
Fact is LSD is pretty safe.
Also most everyone on the Shroomery knows you can buy crystal LSD online. Many here do themselves, and yet there still haven't been any complications from it.
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