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oontribe

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what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar!
#22023291 - 07/31/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are three golden droplets (looks like the omega-3 golden gel tablets) inside the jar on the surface. my camera doesnt capture it!
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Trickyricky217
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: oontribe]
#22023293 - 07/31/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't be positive without any pictures but sounds like metabolites to me.
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oontribe

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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: Trickyricky217]
#22023298 - 07/31/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cant really get it...they are small and they are in the middle in the surface.
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: oontribe]
#22023348 - 07/31/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm guessing metabolites.
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: oontribe]
#22023445 - 07/31/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What are your colonizing temps? and what % is the jar colonized?
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: oontribe]
#22023509 - 07/31/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm have no background in biology, but I believe metabolites are enzymes secreted by mycilium to help fight against competitors, and also to help break down substrates before being consumed by the mycilium itself. I think (tho may be wrong) that these enzymes help 'predigest' there chosen substrate and there are many different types that can be produced for various reasons. (whether food, competitor organisms, or environmental conditions.)
In any case, generally if i see any kind of metabolite production with cubes I start paying attention, especially for bacterial competitors.
(if anyone has any better info on this, please correct me. I did a google search on it and only got a bunch of shroomery results)
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: CMOSS]
#22023610 - 07/31/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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CMOSS said: In any case, generally if i see any kind of metabolite production with cubes I start paying attention, especially for bacterial competitors.
Same here. I typically see metabolites in my spawn jars after full colonization or close to it. When I do see them, I usually don't G2G to any more jars. I will just spawn to a substrate and hope to get 1-2 healthy flushes.
I often see the metabolites forming on the surface of the substrate before introducing fruiting conditions if i spawned from jars that contained metabolites.
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: shroomyaxn]
#22023632 - 07/31/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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More than likely metabs, like stated above it could be something wrong. I've also seen jars throw off metabs from big temp swings and also if you leave a jar colonized for a long time
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oontribe

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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22023788 - 07/31/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It could be over colonization. there is like 3 or4 seeds that didnt seem to colonize.
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: oontribe]
#22024039 - 07/31/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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oontribe said: There are three golden droplets (looks like the omega-3 golden gel tablets) inside the jar on the surface. my camera doesnt capture it!
whatever they are, u sound excited
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: blindingleaf]
#22024067 - 07/31/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol thanks guys.
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: oontribe]
#22024088 - 07/31/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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More that likely myco piss.
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: shroomboomer]
#22024207 - 07/31/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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shroomboomer said: More that likely myco piss.
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RogerRabbit said: Mycelium does not urinate, does not have a bladder, and there is no such thing as myc piss. Why this horrible disinformation persists after we've known for over 50 years that these liquids are antibiotic and released in response to bacteria is beyond comprehension. Next time you get sick, ask the doctor for a myc piss shot instead of antibiotics and see him look at you like you just bumped your head or fell off a turnip truck. If your grains are infected, there will be metabolites. If you've colonized at above normal room temperature, bacteria has been stimulated and thus the metabolites. RR
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RogerRabbit said: It's not even a waste product, and people who call it piss are ignorant. The liquid is excreted to help break down the substrate, and in a different formulation is produced to fight contaminant molds and bacteria. These are the products antibiotics are made of.
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RogerRabbit said: Mycelium does not urinate, not is it infused with bacteria. Metabolites are anti-bacterial in fact. Mix it with water and use it on your plants. It's an excellent fertilizer. RR
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RogerRabbit said: The mycelium secretes enzymes to help break down the substrate for digestion and also to help ward off competitors. If you're using excessive temperature or have excessive contaminants, you'll have more of these secretions, which have nothing to do with urination. RR
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RogerRabbit said: These enzymes can be many colors, including red. RR
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RogerRabbit said: These enzymes are secreted to help break down substrate materials and also to help ward off competing organisms. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Also remember the pH will naturally swing towards acidic as the mycelium secretes enzymes to break down the substrate. Use gypsum to help prevent it from going too low. RR
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: PussyFart]
#22024217 - 07/31/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh look, it's rr. Wait a minute, it's pussyfart. How's it going, pf?
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: insanemike]
#22024221 - 07/31/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Chillin...............
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: PussyFart]
#22024229 - 07/31/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey pf, I know we had our lil spats lol but do you really live in RI? I grew up in south side providence and prolly know you
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22024282 - 07/31/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I live in a different more severe communist threshold....
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: PussyFart]
#27342703 - 06/10/21 08:51 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gypsum or lime for pH... Lime helps buffer swings in pH, how does gypsum affect it?
Edited by Kingcaps (06/10/21 08:52 AM)
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: Kingcaps]
#27343036 - 06/10/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not sure how this plays into this specific thread but to answer your question…
Lime raises ph drastically.. gypsum is the buffer. Lime adjusts ph immediately (when coming in contact with water) and gypsum does it over long periods of time and will never raise the ph above like 8 even if you use a ton of it. You need small amounts of lime (calcium hydroxide) compared to gypsum (calcium sulfate dihydrate), at least when used in casing mixes (tsp of lime compared to a Tblsp of gypsum)
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: fahtster]
#27343060 - 06/10/21 12:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pooling of the enzymes or whatever you want to call it is one thing, but if you notice it's all kind of defying gravity and nothing but tiny amber droplets that could be a sign of wet bubble or dry bubble or some other bad joojoo.
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Re: what is this??? golden droplets inside the jar! [Re: PussyFart]
#27343176 - 06/10/21 01:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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shroomboomer said: More that likely myco piss.
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RogerRabbit said: Mycelium does not urinate, does not have a bladder, and there is no such thing as myc piss. Why this horrible disinformation persists after we've known for over 50 years that these liquids are antibiotic and released in response to bacteria is beyond comprehension. Next time you get sick, ask the doctor for a myc piss shot instead of antibiotics and see him look at you like you just bumped your head or fell off a turnip truck. If your grains are infected, there will be metabolites. If you've colonized at above normal room temperature, bacteria has been stimulated and thus the metabolites. RR
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RogerRabbit said: It's not even a waste product, and people who call it piss are ignorant. The liquid is excreted to help break down the substrate, and in a different formulation is produced to fight contaminant molds and bacteria. These are the products antibiotics are made of.
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RogerRabbit said: Mycelium does not urinate, not is it infused with bacteria. Metabolites are anti-bacterial in fact. Mix it with water and use it on your plants. It's an excellent fertilizer. RR
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: The mycelium secretes enzymes to help break down the substrate for digestion and also to help ward off competitors. If you're using excessive temperature or have excessive contaminants, you'll have more of these secretions, which have nothing to do with urination. RR
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RogerRabbit said: These enzymes can be many colors, including red. RR
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: These enzymes are secreted to help break down substrate materials and also to help ward off competing organisms. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Also remember the pH will naturally swing towards acidic as the mycelium secretes enzymes to break down the substrate. Use gypsum to help prevent it from going too low. RR
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