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FriedEgg



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Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing
#22021634 - 07/30/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fully vacuum sealing dried cubes removes the oxygen but pulverizes your goodies.
If you partially vacuum seal your bag of dehydrated cubes, they won't be crushed. Using a small oxygen absorber packet will remove the remaining oxygen but not the nitrogen and other gases. (air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1% argon, and some other trace gases).
This should result in a bag with "air" (so they don't get crushed) but no oxygen. So the cubes will be good, right? Long term exposure to nitrogen doesn't harm the actives like it will with oxygen, does it?
Thoughts?
TLDR: does long term exposure to nitrogen gas (not oxygen) reduce potency?
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Edited by FriedEgg (07/30/15 07:25 PM)
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: FriedEgg]
#22021697 - 07/30/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why not put them inside a quart jar with a self healing injection port and then purge the jar with nitrogen gas using two needles and some tubing hooked up to a nitrogen tank?
Purge all the air out by sticking one needle into the SHIP and then stick the other needle hooked up to the nitrogen tank into the SHIP and pump it in at about 2-6psi and then remove the needles and wrap with parafilm.
If you put this nitrogen purged, parafilmed jar in a cool, dark place it should store well.
Nitrogen gas wont oxidize the psilocin.
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FriedEgg



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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: Toadstool5]
#22021744 - 07/30/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because I need more than a quart jar of storage

Also, a nitrogen tank? I have a vacuum sealer and some bags laying around the house but no spare nitrogen tank.
I don't mean to sound like a smart ass but: I didn't think any gas could "oxidize" psilocin/psilocybin besides oxygen. I assume you meant "degrade" or something along those lines?
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: FriedEgg]
#22021755 - 07/30/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just throw em in a vacume sealer with a desiccant packet or two, vacume seal it, and call it a day.
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FriedEgg



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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: Buck513] 1
#22021769 - 07/30/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't want to break them 
Quote:
vacume
are you stupid or can you not spell?
jk buck. I can't do math so don't take that the wrong way
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Edited by FriedEgg (07/30/15 07:53 PM)
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: FriedEgg]
#22021770 - 07/30/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They don't really break in a vacuum bag tbo
Not into a bunch of pieces anyways, the caps may seprate from the stems sometimes but that's about it
Edited by PinPornProducer (07/30/15 07:53 PM)
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FriedEgg



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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22021801 - 07/30/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
PinPornProducer said: They don't really break in a vacuum bag tbo
Not into a bunch of pieces anyways, the caps may seprate from the stems sometimes but that's about it

that's not what happens to me. they look ok when sealed. but when I open them, it looks like bigfoot plowed over them with a pogo stick.
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: FriedEgg]
#22021806 - 07/30/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22021815 - 07/30/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I swear by mine, it's the only way I'll store mine now.
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FriedEgg



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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22021822 - 07/30/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmmm, I guess I'll try the impulse seal + oxygen absorber method and report back (in 1-3 years ). It makes sense in theory
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: FriedEgg]
#22022279 - 07/30/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, a nitrogen tank? I have a vacuum sealer and some bags laying around the house but no spare nitrogen tank.
I don't mean to sound like a smart ass but: I didn't think any gas could "oxidize" psilocin/psilocybin besides oxygen
Yeah they can be purchased at welding stores and hardware stores, its about the same price as CO2 tanks for paintballing. you think its uncommon but i have two 20lb tanks laying around somewhere. Nitrogen is cheap and basically inert.
Use gallon jars, if you need more storage than that, build a cold storage unit and store them in vacuum sealed bags.
Any gas with oxygen or moisture in it can oxidize the actives especially with UV exposure. Carbon dioxide is a good example. Nitrogen is what you typically cook under when you are restricting atmospheric moisture, or oxygen gas, oxidation reactions, and combustion.
Argon or neon gas would be overkill but even then the correct way to store something that sensitive to oxidation in a military or private research setting. Pressurized argon vessels stored at -5°C, thats going out of your way.
Some vacuum sealers have a limit on how much pressure they squeeze the contents with. Maybe find a model that has the anti-crushing feature? I've personally never had problems when i had a sealer
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: FriedEgg]
#22022324 - 07/30/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mylar bags+partial vacuum+oxygen absorber+impulse sealing works great for longterm storage. I've done it that way for years with very little loss of potency. Just keep it in a cool place like a basement.
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Re: Nerdy question about long term storage, nitrogen, and vacuum sealing [Re: Lonegunman]
#22022873 - 07/31/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you store them in your freezer there should be no loss of potency, whether there is oxygen present or not.
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