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Re: Sacrifice to prevent 2012. [Re: Annapurna1]
#2200163 - 12/24/03 09:52 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rule #1: No Flaming ...the issue is the popularity of large..fuel-inefficient vehicles..and their identification with nationalism... your identification of them with nationalism. getting 10 miles to the gallon doesn't make you a fascist by any stretch of logic, especially the absurd rant that follows... no matter what the neo-conmen say..the fact remains that anyone that spends umpteen million $$$ on such a vehicle has a vested interest in "securing" cheap gas to drive it...and that of course means imperialist warmongering..which in turn generates racism..initially against arabs..and then spreading to other nationalities... what exactly is "fuel inefficient" wise one?? where is the cut-off? what if my car gets 18mpg? will my cravings for cheap gas turn me into a racist imperialist warmongerer? what about 15mpg? what if i drive a fuel-efficient car but my lifestyle forces me to drive all over the place and i use alot of gas? what if i refuse to carpool when it's feasable? am i then a nationalist? your average touring jam band burns far more gas than any SUV-driving soccer mom in a given month... i suppose they must all be fascists interested in securing cheap petroleum by whatever means necessary... please. enough scapegoating and stereotyping already. the amount of gas that a person must burn to travel a mile in their own car is an EXTREMELY small part of their overall energy consumption. how long are your showers? what do you set the thermostat to? do you use air-conditioning? do you buy non-local goods that must be shipped cross-country by large trucks? sorry if laughter was the best response i could come up with to your assertions... they were, indeed, quite amusing. ps. i drive a toyota corolla with a manual transmission. i get around 35 miles per gallon on the highway.
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Re: Sacrifice to prevent 2012. [Re: ]
#2200388 - 12/25/03 12:10 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rule #1: No Flaming
dismissive laughter also constitutes a flame..unless it really is the limit to your intelligence...
getting 10 miles to the gallon doesn't make you a fascist by any stretch of logic
maybe not with deliberate knowledge and intent...
especially the absurd rant that follows...
and what about the following absurd rant??...
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If SUVs were taken from the market then X amount of oil would be saved (can't remember what X equals) and that same X amount is the amount of oil they plan to get out of that big alaskan caribou reserve. (annually). So, scrap the SUVs save the caribou. That suits me fine. SUVs are the most dangerous vehicles on the road. They kill more than any other car. What the SUV has done is started a highway arms race where everybody needs to get bigger cars to protect themselves from other people's big cars. The banning of SUVs may not save the world, but there's plenty of good reasons to think lowly of people who own them. Cause.. they're idiots.
ok..so assuming that my absurd rant is all wrong..what is the psychological effect of this "arms race" on the participants??...my guess is that it would lead to a mentality more similar than different to what i said before...
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Re: Sacrifice to prevent 2012. [Re: Phluck]
#2200590 - 12/25/03 02:27 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's interesting how posts seem to meander onto other issues.
This was part of a discussion that took place in a college class I had taken some years ago regarding world religions. Some believe that the Mayan culture had a knowledge of a planet some today want to identify as planet x (cool band by the way). This planet is supposed to move in a huge elliptical orbit and pass by us every 3633 or 3656 years depending on whose version you believe (there may be other numbers based on predictions/calculations from other groups I'm not aware of). Anyway, it is thought by some that this planet x will soon show up again and exert forces on our planet as it passes that will cause land mass to shift /disappear and seas to rise. It's also supposed to drag behind it in it's huge wake debris that will pelt the surface of the earth for good measure. Some say or would like to believe that this will go down in the year 2012. One needs to keep in mind we are talking about an ancient civilization that used advanced math and made observations/accurate predictions of astrological events without the use of modern day tools like a simple telescope we can pick up for a few hundred dollars today. There's a story where it's said we are the result of divine/genetic intervention. That cultures like the myans were direct results of this intervention. Like many other things we are offered to accept there is no real way to nail it down. Faith... Hope...(Love...) I hope to know what "Truth" is at some point. For now I'll just try to keep my act together, be good to others and observe.
Can a sacrifice alter such an astrogical event (assuming that this is what the myans understood)? Probably not. The act of the sacrifice was probably more out respect/honor for their understanding of their world. If human sacrifice was all that was needed to continue existence, then why does their calander end on that specific date?
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Re: Sacrifice to prevent 2012. [Re: cateyes]
#2201542 - 12/26/03 12:43 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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"If human sacrifice was all that was needed to continue existence, then why does their calander end on that specific date? "
If you were writing out a calendar and you got about 1000 years in the future, wouldn't you decide you were about finished?
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Re: Sacrifice to prevent 2012. [Re: Phluck]
#2201864 - 12/26/03 08:41 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would you feel the need to write a calander going into a thousand years ahead into the future from now? What's the big point? Why not just make a new calender for the new year, as each year passes by? Obviously the Mayans weren't really thinking too deeply, and just had too much time on their hands and got bored and tired of writing calendars thousands of years into the future OR, perhaps they truly DID predict something by their calculations and hypothesis's and so on. If a planet or some body of physical matter in space DOES pass by every 30000 years in a gargantuan astronomical elliptical orbit or whatever, and if the Mayans DID witness this, then I'm sure they would've viewed it as a TREMENDOUS event perhaps regarding their god(s) interaction with them, and wouldn't just shrug it off and think of it as some lil fluke.
We'll see in about 6 years from now.
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SkorpivoMusterion said: We'll see in about 6 years from now.
Plenty of time for me to get rich and blow some shit up.  Peace.
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The Mayans REALLY could see into the future and one night while stoned decided to fuck with some young druggies hundreds of years in the future ...
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"Obviously the Mayans weren't really thinking too deeply, and just had too much time on their hands and got bored and tired of writing calendars thousands of years into the future OR, perhaps they truly DID predict something by their calculations and hypothesis's and so on. "
Or third option:
They didn't know what the fuck was going on, so concocted a religion, "predicted" that magical things would happen in the future, and then were killed off.
Flash forward to now... a bunch of stoned hippies think they were right, without any evidence to go on. Only 8 more years until you have to backpeddle or pretend you never really believed this so as to avoid making a fool of yourselves.
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Re: Sacrifice to prevent 2012. [Re: Phluck]
#2202117 - 12/26/03 11:59 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Best bet: Don't be certain of anything that one can't be certain of.  Peace.
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Sure, I'm not 100% certain that the world won't end, or shift, or whatever in 2012... but I'm 100% certain that I haven't seen any evidence that it will. (No, a claim is not the same thing as evidence).
In short, if anyone wants to put any money on it, I sure wouldn't mind a little extra cash come December 23, 2012. After all, I'll be all tapped out from Christmas shopping.
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Re: Sacrifice to prevent 2012. [Re: Phluck]
#2202150 - 12/26/03 12:19 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ja, I was taking a position of neutrality when I said that, it can go towards any direction that anyone wants it to. Peace.
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