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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22030565 - 08/01/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the rights in the constitution are inalienable for all men and women.

that's what it's about. it's not "just for the US".





so if a canadian went to cambodia he could use the US constitution as his means
of beating a conviction based on an illegal search where they found his illegal
firearm which he has to exercise his second amendment rights


let us know how that one works out


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22030596 - 08/01/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oh wow, is the nuance here just too blatant for you to accept.

the constitution is written specifically to address all and every human on the planet. it's pretty intense. you should read it sometime.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22030600 - 08/01/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

During an anal cavity search


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22030656 - 08/01/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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oh wow, is the nuance here just too blatant for you to accept.

the constitution is written specifically to address all and every human on the planet. it's pretty intense. you should read it sometime.





so why dont canadians have free speech, why dont canadians have a right to keep
and bare arms, why are these rights not in existence in other countries


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22030669 - 08/01/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

because the USA haven't won yet.

or rather, the hearts and minds of our nation have incurred the wrath of too much niceness to outsider's that have too much lip.

either or....

but the ideal of the rights to liberty and justice for all is a worldly one, as is pertained to in the writings that make up the constitution.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22030680 - 08/01/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm



I would be very careful about trusting that site.  Most of that case law is way out of date.  The common law doctrine that one can resist an unlawful arrest is superceded by statute in most states.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030708 - 08/01/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I reckon trying to kill a cop legally will end wrong, even if you did do it legally... There's a chance your still gonna end up being charged, no winning with them, I even heard in this documentary that the American police don't keep records and files of the cases where the cops did wrong.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030711 - 08/01/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

times have fucking changed. yet things haven't really proceeded said change.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Owlofthenight]
    #22030725 - 08/01/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You heard wrong.  Police misconduct is investigated.

And yes, there are circumstances where one can kill a cop and have it found to be self-defense.  Those times are few and far between, however.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030748 - 08/01/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ahh I see... Probs was an old documentary


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030751 - 08/01/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

say the cop is drunk, and lets just say off-duty...and he tries to arrest you with nothing you've done, only some drunken stupor'd inclination of suspicion ... then you can eliminate his map.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22030755 - 08/01/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can't use deadly force on anyone unless you have a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030757 - 08/01/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What if they accidently get killed like in the course of conducting their duty but like kinda like a lethal boobytrap (lol) but its made to look like an accident?


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22030761 - 08/01/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's called murder.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030773 - 08/01/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You can't use deadly force on anyone unless you have a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm.



yeah, basically. but if said cop (the one described above, of course) were to Eric Garner you on your ass and bust your chest into the cement, then that'd be bodily harm so bang bang get yer gun.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22030776 - 08/01/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Idk bout the cop being drunk part but I know of this person fighting off a few cops completely bashing the cops, all because they tried arresting him for something he didn't do... In the end well i really don't know if he ended up getting charged but he got taken to the psych ward, yep after a few injections from the psych ward and their in control over you... Now he just has to get injections all the time so they rob his brain.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030805 - 08/01/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:bored: i already said it was totally an accident. What if you see a cop beating up a small child?


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22030815 - 08/01/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can use force to stop that, sure.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: Enlil]
    #22030819 - 08/01/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

WHat about if inorder to save a small childs life you have to kill a cop.


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Re: When do I have the right to shoot a cop? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22030825 - 08/01/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If it's necessary, sure


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