Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Anonymous #1

Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment
    #22020855 - 07/30/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wtf?!

Just got an email from an unemployment officer regarding reasons for my termination at a previous job. They are trying to make a decisions based on my answers, as well as my employers. I was sent a list of six questions, but these two stood out:

5.    Your employer indicated you told them as an explanation for your actions that you enjoyed making some sort of “designer drugs” and that you seemed to have overindulged.  Did you tell them this?

6.    If you were taking substances that had this kind of effect on you, why were you taking them during times when they could have affected your work, especially after you had been warned that you needed to correct the problems with your performance?

Regarding number 5, I never said that. Not even close. We had a meeting a week before I was fired so I could explain myself. I told them that I did not know what was going on, why I couldn't focus etc. I had been fucking up quite a bit on the job and had received warnings based on my actions. My memory was pretty bad during this time due to a long mxe binge. It affected my ability to properly do my job as a landscaper. In specific, I was pulling out the wrong plants and at times doing the opposite of what I as instructed, even right after receiving instructions. Not my best moment, I know. The day I was terminated I flushed the rest of the mxe.

During the course of my employment, I spoke about the ease of extraction of various plant substances. My bosses were open and accepting of drug use, and used various psychedelics themselves. One of them even asked me to extract mescaline, which I did not respond to. After I was hired, I talked about drugs quite a bit, but wasn't actually using them, save for alcohol. As time went on, I stopped talking like that. One of my bosses frequently asked (jokingly?) if I was on drugs, had a drug filled weekend etc. It got annoying pretty fast. I even asked him if he thought I was on drugs all the time and he said yes. I never asked him to stop, but I should have. Halfway through my time there is when the mxe binge started, and things started to go wrong. I definitely kept my mouth shut at that time.

Regarding number 6, I did use mxe a few times on the job. I never did enough to fully dissociate, only to wake me up and get my brain going again. So I guess one could say that though I didn't use at work all the time, that my permanent 'mxe head space' was affecting my performance when had not taken it. I know it takes a while for the effects to fully subside and this is obvious based on the story here. I'm glad I flushed it, and am feeling much better without all the anxiety, depression, mood swings, memory troubles etc.

So the bottom line is that my former employer lied about explanation in question 5 of the email. I'm not really sure what to do with this information. I know they are just covering their asses and saw my drug use a good explanation. Everyone at work knew I liked odd compounds. But this is just infuriating. The boss that probably gave this information is a real asshole drama queen. I almost quit several times due to him. Off topic, they frequently made sexual jokes to or about their employees. Gay jokes, as they are. They did this to everyone and not in a harassing way. One current employee there has all the text messages and emails saved in the event that he is wrongfully terminated.

I have three broad questions, based on this.

1. What do I tell the unemployment officer? More specifically, how do I word this to cover my ass and diffuse the situation?
2. Now that the state office has this documented, what sort of shit am I going to be in, or not? What is the likelihood that they will pass on this information to police? I'm no drug dealer or manufacturer and don't want to get involved with the police based on these claims. Posting this online isn't going to help me if that ever happens, but I need some advice.
3. I just got back from filling out paperwork for a job that I will start at Monday. Since I don't need unemployment now, what content should I respond with? I have until 8/3/15 at 2:30pm. I have the option to call or email my response. Which is better and why?

Please disregard flaming, I'm aware that my own actions got me to this place. I'm doing a lot better and trying to do better than that. Thanks in advance.

Feel free to move this to the Ask a lawyer thread, if necessary.


Edited by Anonymous (07/30/15 05:12 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebirdeatingspider
Stranger in Paradise
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/14
Posts: 2,993
Loc: so many roads
Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22023089 - 07/31/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's great that you recognize your shortcoming, best to say good riddance and not look back on what is behind.  You were not wrongfully terminated, winning that or gaining unemployment is a long shot.. but you're blessed to have a new job lined up.  It's up to you to not repeat being trashed at work AND don't tell your employer that you do drugs, nothing good will come of that.

I can't give legal advice but I would not even follow up with unemployment.  They are busy enough that your answer wont be missed.  At most tell them you will not be pursuing at this time.

Then lay low and start the new deal without a shred of resentment of previous employer.


--------------------

From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the Universe, and feel
What I can ne’er express, yet cannot all conceal.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblenooneman
Male

Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,561
Loc: Utah
Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #22023105 - 07/31/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Deny, deny, deny. That's the golden rule.

Also, I love how the second thing they said was like "okay, that first thing is whatever, but why did you let it interfere with your job?"
:rofl:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: nooneman]
    #22026363 - 07/31/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Got some advice from a lawyer. If they don't pass on the information, it should be ok. State agencies are underfunded and understaffed and don't prioritize things like this. It's all talk anyway. It's a highly suspicious thing to have in the state network though, and incites paranoia. Unless there is evidence to suggest manufacture is occurring, I assume it will be overlooked. Hopefully that's the case. I feel it's necessary to respond in some way, to clear my name. Odd that I take a job the same day as receiving the email. The claim is still open, but no longer necessary to file. Any other advice? Will reply tomorrow.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #2

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22029440 - 08/01/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You fucked up by telling your employer about drugs.  Never do that again.  It's your private life and they have no business knowing about it.

They were kind of using you - they knew that you used, and they planned on using this information to their benefit from the get-go.  No employer wants to pay unemployment, so they quickly realized that if they ever fired you, they wouldn't have to pay anything.

If you ever get involved with drugs and workplaces again, sell them to your boss.  That way they are equally culpible and they won't narc you out.  When I was young and stupid I sold weed to by bosses, ounces and quarter pounds.  When I left they said nothing about it.  This is bad advice - don't sell drugs.  But if you must, sell them to your boss.

You are not going to get arrested for this, and it's not going to go on your permanent record.  No arrest, no foul.

In the future stay away from MXE, it's not good for you and will cause problems.

Never talk about drugs with anyone you work with.  Not even weed.  Just tell them you are straight and leave it at that.

Cool that you have a new job.  Don't fuck it up. 

I guess at this point, since you are working again, the unemployment questions don't matter.  Some people said deny deny deny, and that is good advice, but since you have a new job my advice is to not even answer.    They aren't going to send you any money, so there is absolutely no reason to discuss these issues with them.


Sounds like you have learned from your mistakes and you'll make better decisions in the future.  That is really good. 

The truth is that drugs do not make you happy, but if you do go back to using, keep it very minimal and on the d/l.

I wish you the best of luck!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKing Klick
That Guy Everyone Knows
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/13/11
Posts: 7,267
Last seen: 7 months, 2 hours
Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #2] * 1
    #22084053 - 08/12/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I help run a landscaping company. That blows, I do drugs with my employees a lot. They are mostly my friends too though.

It's landscaping...sober people don't do it. Lol. How'd it go?/


--------------------
Your god is dead, and I killed him.

When you’re lost, here I am. Forever with your soul



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVitalux
Stranger from the next universe
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/15/11
Posts: 2,695
Loc: Canada Flag
Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22092209 - 08/14/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am going to play the devil's advocate.

You fucked up.
You got fired.

Stop trying to project your fuck-up and blame the rest of the world.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Vitalux]
    #22092550 - 08/14/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

^ I already admitted that in my first post. In fact, I wasn't blaming anyone but myself, if you actually read the OP. I posted for advice on how concerned I should be with a state agency having such knowledge of me, right or wrong.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22094684 - 08/15/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Regarding the results of this scenario, all is well. I did send a thorough and honest response that I'm comfortable with. I'm no longer filing for UI but since I was out of work during the previous period, I may still be eligible for backpay. My savings is almost gone so it would help a lot. I quit the job I was offered for a different one. Strangely enough, the first one was a state job at a college. It wasn't the kind of work that made me feel fulfilled, despite the benefits. I chose instead to work for an edible landscaping company. It's hard work and lacks benefits but is exactly the sort of stuff I want to do and learn about for my future goals. No complaints here. Also I'm no longer in touch with my former employer or on sour terms with them. It was a shitty situation but I've moved on. Hopefully it doesn't bite me in the ass, but I'm still being cautious. Thanks for all the advice.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKing Klick
That Guy Everyone Knows
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/13/11
Posts: 7,267
Last seen: 7 months, 2 hours
Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22094864 - 08/15/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You'll find the right crew someday bro. Landscaping is a fucky industry. I hope your new gig goes better!


--------------------
Your god is dead, and I killed him.

When you’re lost, here I am. Forever with your soul



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: King Klick]
    #22094965 - 08/15/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Landscaping sure is fucky. Luckily I'm skilled enough to be considered for some of the better jobs in the industry. I'm working on starting my own edible landscaping mushroom cultivation hybrid business, which will integrate a nursery when my plants become too much to handle. Thanks for the good vibes!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVitalux
Stranger from the next universe
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/15/11
Posts: 2,695
Loc: Canada Flag
Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22096878 - 08/15/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

did you intend to come off too harsh.

Hey I have a total understanding of some of the things you have experienced on MXE and I understand that it probably has helped to give you a more profound understanding of life.

You are part of something very amazing.....just enjoy life and understand that the whole world is a pretty fucked up  place.


Just enjoy life, love all and try and do you best to help others.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Vitalux]
    #22098800 - 08/16/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, I was just trying to restate my case. I was a little hurt by your comment though so it must've come through in my wording. No hard feelings man. Life is a blessing and I intend to make the best of it and spread the love in all of my thoughts, actions and intent from now on. I'm glad to be out of the haze.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22103844 - 08/17/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They approved me and sent a check for the weeks I filed. I'm glad. I was almost broke.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVitalux
Stranger from the next universe
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/15/11
Posts: 2,695
Loc: Canada Flag
Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22104586 - 08/17/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
They approved me and sent a check for the weeks I filed. I'm glad. I was almost broke.





Source, Heaven and angels are always watching over us.
Just enjoy the ride.

Life is an amusement park.

It impresses me more that you had the experiences that you have ....in terms of the out of body experiences. :thumbup:



You live to experience and grow.


work is just something insane one has to do to feed the meat sack.


Most folks that work, and never find bliss of out of body exploration ....tend to grow slowly ....in my humble opinion.


so for what it is worth....

I am proud of you brother :cheers:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Anonymous #1

Re: Former employer cited drug use and manufacture for termination, unemployment [Re: Vitalux]
    #22114533 - 08/19/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What out of body experiences?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Have you ever been busted w/ drugs?
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
TODAY 13,352 89 02/23/09 08:42 PM
by killerchyle
* What Makes a Drug Crime a Federal Offense? Lana 891 0 04/30/04 06:20 PM
by Lana
* Drug Law FAQ: A Guide to the Fourth Ammendment Lana 4,018 8 05/28/02 07:02 PM
by GabbaDj
* Drug test for shrooms? GrassyAss 14,030 16 08/08/06 04:04 PM
by CodyH
* Passing drug tests bub_x 2,963 4 07/02/04 12:46 AM
by kotik
* Apprehending the Drug Trafficker
( 1 2 all )
Lana 4,600 27 04/08/04 04:55 AM
by 003
* drug dog q
( 1 2 all )
Anonymous 3,344 25 06/27/04 06:32 PM
by DONOTDELETE
* Questions about trading drugs. Tantalus 1,866 12 10/14/03 09:48 AM
by StrongBad

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, Alan Rockefeller
375 topic views. 0 members, 0 guests and 0 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.031 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 15 queries.