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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22019764 - 07/30/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Check out this link and go to the 9th row. This dude Fahtster stacked cakes like a boss.

Personally, I'd birth them all at once when they are ready.

I don't see in problem in stacking different varieties together besides the fact that you may want to remember which is which in case you want to take a clone or a print. Otherwise a cube is a cube.

It looks like he did a monotub setup. I assume they would be alright in a sgfc too but let's see how a more experienced user feels about that :rockon:


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22019813 - 07/30/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you have 20 cakes why not spawn to bulk? Here's a 10 cake mono I have going right now




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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22019935 - 07/30/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Seriously, spawning to bulk in a mono is super easy, and takes way less effort than fruiting in SGFC (no misting or fanning needed). You'll get more weight for the amount of spawn you use too.

Seriously just pick up a $12 tote and a $5 brick of coir. Pasteurize the coir, dial in your mono, and see the wonders.

20 cakes would at least need to sgfc' if not more to work properly. This is my first true bulk and the experience has been wonderfully rewarding. If you are still apprehensive, bulk half and fruit half so you know you'll still have fruits.

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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22019959 - 07/30/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid: you could spawn to a tray and it'll do fine in your sgfc


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22019996 - 07/30/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've gotten more than 4-5oz from 1 flush of a tub that was contaminated. Even if its contaminated, its still likely you will get something.

I never did PF tek. I just read for many weeks and put my big boy pants on and got a couple monos going.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: Buck513]
    #22020004 - 07/30/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've gotten more than 4-5oz from 1 flush of a tub that was contaminated. Even if its contaminated, its still likely you will get something.



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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: taGyo]
    #22020026 - 07/30/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Check out PastyWhyte's "How to dial in monos like a boss" Damion50/50's bulk pasteurization and "How Frank Gets His Shit Done". You don't need to case. Just grate up 10 of your cakes to a 2:1 or 3:1 bulk ratio. Mix up your pasteurized coir/Verm or whatever you choose as your sub really well with the grated up cakes. I have been seriously impressed with my tub- only about a week to colonize, and it's only been a day in fruiting today.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22020044 - 07/30/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Uhh... Frank is the one who made "dial in your monotubs like a boss"


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: Buck513]
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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: Buck513]
    #22020060 - 07/30/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh ok, "I've got so many things whirling around in my head" lol. So much info on here it's hard to keep it all straight


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22020070 - 07/30/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Trust me- if you enjoy growing cakes, seeing them take over and explode on a big patch is so rediculously rewarding. I love my babies and seeing what they are capable of makes me a proud parent.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22020246 - 07/30/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here's what I'm running now:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21965161

The smaller number is your spawn. The larger your sub for ratios. Mine was about 1:2.5.

Can't remember the page but you want 6 about 1.25 inch holes, two near the top on the small sides under the handle and 4 along the top of the substrate level along the long side each one about a quarter distance away from the corner.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22020262 - 07/30/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I suggest reading more.
You spawn to bulk in open air with no gloves, letting the tub sit around while colonizing is not an extra vector for contam.
I like having a higher spawn ratio, usually 1:1.5, or even 1:1.

The ratio is spawn:bulk sub. Example: a 1:1.5 ratio means 1qt spawn for every 1.5qt bulk sub.

You just add all your bulk sub, then all your spawn, and mix thoroughly throughout the monotub. Wait, wait, wait. Then fruit.

Monos are for lazy people, that's why I like em:lol:
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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22020345 - 07/30/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on spawn ratio. Higher spawn ratio colonizes faster.

I'd wait a week after spawning, and check it every couple days after that. Just wait for everything to be nice and white on top. Some people wait until they see pins before they remove the tape, I've had success both ways. Replace the taped up holes with polyfill, and introduce your lights. Check the tub after you induce fruiting every so often to ensure its properly dialed in.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22020380 - 07/30/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Don't dunk before spawn- makes them harder to grate.


To induce fruiting you remove the tape from the holes and replace with polyfil, loose in the top holes, tight in the bottom, and run an indirect fan in the room.  The polyfil fitted that way causes air to be sucked in from the top, and forced down across the top of the sub and out the bottom holes. When done correctly it gives you perfect FAE.

You wait till it is 100% colonized to move it to fruiting. It only took me I think 7 days to colonize. But yeah you just let it sit.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22020383 - 07/30/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't even run a fan in my grow room. Ever.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: Buck513]
    #22020392 - 07/30/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fair enough- I needed to run one before I felt the air flowing out of the bottom holes


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22020410 - 07/30/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What? You literally feel the co2 coming out from the bottom holes?


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22020487 - 07/30/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

20 would need a big tub- and like you said you might want to not throw all your eggs in one basket and do 2 tubs. Unfortunately I've had this tub for ages so it doesn't have a sticker on it to let me know how big it is. Just imagine your hard in it, and find one that'll hold double or triple that in the bottom.

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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22020630 - 07/30/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You could also just case them in a couple trays and put those in your SGFC.  Seems like people are prefering spawning cakes to bulk now.  Gotta do some testing on it eventually and see how much is truly gained from the bulk, if anything.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22020910 - 07/30/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's too much noobness in this thread.

Spawn to bulk, or don't. Its up to you. I personally would opt for spawning to bulk, because I'm lazy and dealing with a SGFC is not something I feel like doing. You can get great yields on spawning cakes to tubs. Do whatever you want.
A lot of what you will come to learn about this hobby will be obtained through experience. Spawn some to bulk, fruit some in a sgfc, play with some things and experiment.


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    #22020973 - 07/30/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mehh, I wasn't really directing that comment towards you. I dont mind helping noobs at all.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22021151 - 07/30/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I run 27 quart monotubs exclusively. 3 qts is standard, 4-5 qts is high spawn. I like having a lot of projects going and can't be fucked with those big tubs.

If you use something smaller drill less holes because you'll get to much FAE and have to case. I case all my minis. When I get into my new place I'll end up running those 66 qts for the lulz.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22021157 - 07/30/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No. A mono can not be too small.

Check out pasty's tek on mini monos


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22021324 - 07/30/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Casing them would basically just be another way to increase your space efficiency inside the sgfc since you place the cakes right next to eachother in a tray.  It should reduce their moisture loss by reducing the exposed surface area, and add a bit of a water resevoir as well.

While there is still some "all eggs in one basket" with it, it will be pretty obvious where a contaminated cake was and you can cut it out, since it isn't all broken up and distributed like a bulk cake spawn.

http://www.fungifun.org/English/Casing

It just seems to be really out of fashion.  It'd be cool if you case a tray, spawn another, and show the results, though there's always the multispore factor...  Maybe you'd get a sense of which you prefer anyway.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22021397 - 07/30/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If i stacked two mini mono subs together that have already had a few flushes do you do guys think thatd work without contaming out like crazy?


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    #22021447 - 07/30/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No... Two spent subs doesn't = one fresh one.


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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22021959 - 07/30/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pasty pretty much always cases his stuff because of the dry environment he's in.
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    #22022280 - 07/30/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No... Two spent subs doesn't = one fresh one.




Well i wasnt thinking as a fresh one, im asking would two sub that areant spent nd that are still flushing stacked create the same effect as stacked pf cakes? Or would that just be a haven for contams?


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    #22022304 - 07/30/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No... Two spent subs doesn't = one fresh one.




Well i wasnt thinking as a fresh one, im asking would two sub that areant spent nd that are still flushing stacked create the same effect as stacked pf cakes? Or would that just be a haven for contams?



Not a haven for contams but one sub won't pin and the other one will. The mycelium is in full-on fruiting stage after the first flush. Putting two subs on top of each other won't create the same affect after the first flush.

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Re: Questions About Stacking BRF Cakes [Re: taGyo]
    #22022556 - 07/30/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I bet if you tried to put one bulk sub  on top of another you would just be putting too much on top of the bottom sub to even start any pins. there will be no exposed surface area to pin from.. theoretically. I would say try it but it'll probably be a waste


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