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Salt for slowing contaminants?
    #22018334 - 07/30/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've been using iodized salt to attempt to control the trich and other contaminants happening right after my first flushes. I've been growing about 12-18 subs at a time, but about 1/10 seem to get trich right after their first flush. My field capacity is a few drop when squeezed as hard as I can with my coir/verm 50/50 substrate. Would a dryer sub work?

I have a good set up with a SGFC green house with a piped in cool mist to keep FAE constant which is on/off every 30 minutes. I only do G2G transfers and I do a 1:3 ratio with WBS for spawn.

I do use a generous amount of iodized salt on the trich, but it pulls all of the moisture from that area to the top of the sub, which creates a .5" pool on the top of the sub. Should I use iodized or non-iodized salt? Is there a way to not get the water to pool so much?
Less salt? Non-iodized salt?



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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84] * 1
    #22018403 - 07/30/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you're producing that many tubs, I see little reason to try and milk everything you can out of a contaminated substrate. But that's just me.

Salt can work on trich, sure. There's nothing really to it, you just put salt on it.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22018452 - 07/30/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Does it just work on trich?


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #22018506 - 07/30/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have a good set up with a SGFC green house with a piped in cool mist to keep FAE constant which is on/off every 30 minutes

That's your problem.

Anyway salt doesn't fix shit.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22018795 - 07/30/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After a contam is spotted, salvage the fruits you can and toss the substrate, cake or tray. Always.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22019424 - 07/30/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Stating that "that's your problem" doesn't really explain much. I said I have a SGFC with piped in cool mist humidifier for FAE. I've been growing solid and healthy fruits for over a year in there, so I don't see a whole lot of problem. The only issue is I'm trying to perfect my technique so that I don't get these small few subs with trich. Also, RR says that salt helps to slow the contams. My problem is that the salt brings a ton of moisture to the top of my subs and there is pooling water, which can't be good for the rest of my subs.

Would you care to elaborate?


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22019431 - 07/30/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm beyond tubs now. It's all green house. I modified it to have double capacity with PVC pipe if you look closely. I grow a lb. at a time.



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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22019438 - 07/30/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nice. Do you want a cookie?

I don't care for greenhouses. They're cool, but not for me.
I'd rather have a few tubs lying around that I get 6+oz from the first flush and toss it. If you want to milk every last mushroom from a substrate that is oozing in bacteria and mold, then go ahead. But I see little point.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22019467 - 07/30/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Seriously. The moment I see that crystalline white it's garbage to me. I've never done salt and never will. It makes for a fun experiment in my contamination pile though :P.

Nowhere did you talk about your spawn and inoculation used. The most important part of it. Read my improve your sterile techniques link. It's ALWAYS the starting point when working with contamination.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22019614 - 07/30/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Couple thoughts:

30 minutes of coolmist is a lot, especially for a tote sized FC.  Maybe things are just getting too wet.  Any geometric relation in the contamed subs?

If they're contaming after the first flush, you probably have a contam in your spawn.

Just FYI, Damion5050 Coir Verm tech is 80/20 coir verm.  Dunno if you are intentionally using a 50/50 mix or you just didn't read the tech.  Your hydration sounds good, or possibly even on the low side.

Assuming the contam isn't environmental, perhaps you have a tiny tiny bit if trich in a grain master, or a bit of bacterial spawn.  Top shelf of the PC grain jars perhaps?


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22019948 - 07/30/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I thought I explained my spawn and inoculating procedure...

Inoculation: I do grain to grain with grain cultures of WBS in a large SAB. My jars rarely contaminate now that I've had plenty of experience using the SAB and using sterile technique.

Spawn: I pasteurize 50/50 coir/verm as my bulk sub for 1+ hour b/w 140-160f. I also dunk my spawn 15 min, then I spawn to bulk. I let the spawn/bulk then sit for 12-14 days until 100% colonized. Is it possible there is too much water if I dunk my spawn to rehydrate while field capacity is a couple drops when squeeze in my first as hard as I can.

The reason I want to slow the trich and save the sub is because almost all of my subs will go through 3 flushes and sometimes 4. So, I'm not going out of my way for a couple g's here and there.

I typically get 2 oz. from each sub in my GH. Your tubs must be quite large, what do you do to get 6 oz from each sub? I would much rather do less and have a few massively harvests.

BTW, I wasn't boasting about my "bad ass GH." I just wanted to show that it works quite well, since I'm able to produce mass amounts of healthy, thick fruits.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22019981 - 07/30/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Uhh...no. I just have standard sized tubs. You get 2oz from 3-4 flushes?
You are clearly doing something wrong. Them are terrible yields.

I just typically use 5qts spawn per tub. My tubs are like 58qt I think. Not very big.

You want the highest BE possible.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22019988 - 07/30/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For every quart of spawn expect 1oz dry first flush if you have your shit together.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22020019 - 07/30/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Well, I thought I explained my spawn and inoculating procedure...

Inoculation: I do grain to grain with grain cultures of WBS in a large SAB. My jars rarely contaminate now that I've had plenty of experience using the SAB and using sterile technique.



Boy if I had a nickel for every time I heard that. The fact of the matter is, it's all just guess work if you're g2ging. You can't see bacteria on grains as well as you can on agar. Agar is the way to go. Thus I said go check the improve your sterile techniques link in my signature. It's honestly the fist place to start, as stated in the first paragraph of my sterile procedures link. Without knowing you're starting clean, you can fuckin nuke the whole substrate before you do it and still get a contamination, because you didn't start clean.

Also g2ging isn't inoculation. It's g2ging. I meant what media did you start with when you used your spores.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22020053 - 07/30/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe Machiavelliavore misunderstood what I meant when I said cool mist.

The cool mist doesn't keep anything moist in my GH. It's sole purpose is FAE, which I used to run 24/7 until I read that 30 on/30 off is a good idea. I DO have an actual humidifier that fogs up the GH on a timer which goes off twice a day for 20 min each time, then I'll unplug it if I feel it's a little too wet.

Again, I'm just trying to figure out what would cause such a small % of subs to contaminate at the end or right after the first flush.

To answer your geometric question, all of my subs are relatively the same size/shape. 12" x 9" x 3.5-4" tall.

As for the Coir Verm Tech, I don't know who's it was, since I was taught by a veteran from this site that I grew up with. He's made a living just growing. My 50/50 tech has worked more or less for over a year. Or maybe it hasn't because I could be yielding 6 oz per sub instead of 2. What difference would 80/20 make over 50/50?

What would having jars on the top shelf of my PC have to do with anything? I have a large PC, so I can squeeze 9 quart jars inside, where 2 are laying on their sides on top of the other jars.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22020483 - 07/30/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard but cannot confirm that the jars up top heat up more slowly, and perhaps the sterilization time that works for the bottom jars doesn't quite get it done up top.

80/20 v 50/50:  Coir has more nutes.  Coir is cheaper, unless you found one of those pool installer places to get megaloads of verm from.  Nothing to do with contams.  Doesn't really matter much, use whatever's cheaper and works for you.

Check out the midified short cycle timer guide, you can run your fogger more frequently for shorter periods of time.


What's the source of your master culture, and have you put it on agar?  I had a lot of jars that looked fine that ended up as shit.  Still don't know why.  Now I really don't wanna grow unless I have a very clear idea how clean my source is.

Re: geometry, i was more asking, does the one next to the fogger, or the one near the coolmist contam more?

Re: Yield, how much grain spawn are you using in each one of your subs.  The best I've done is 28 wet off a 2/3 quart.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22020495 - 07/30/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I seriously just made this thread lol. Check it out. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260

It just goes to show that you can't just judge that it's clean because it looks clean. It's sometimes hard to distinguish through agar.. let alone grains.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22020759 - 07/30/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The best you've gotten from a qt of spawn is 28 wet grams?

Holy shit you are doing something terribly wrong


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    #22020800 - 07/30/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

LOL didn't see that. :rofl:


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22020813 - 07/30/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think he's the same guy that told me he got like 1000+ wet grams from a quart. Not 100% though
I was like:whatwhatwhat:


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22020871 - 07/30/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The best you've gotten from a qt of spawn is 28 wet grams?

Holy shit you are doing something terribly wrong




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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22020880 - 07/30/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From a mono, that'd be wild, and I'd call bs. In trays, that's actually feasible.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22020899 - 07/30/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It was a 3qt foil pan with a shotgun lid, cvg-wbs.  Things been around 2 months now, has another small flush coming. I don't think it's particularly amazing given that pasty can apparently get the same efficiency in one flush that I got in 8, assuming my shit even dried to 10%, though it didn't seem waterlogged.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22020935 - 07/30/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Aren't you the same dude who said you picked a handful of contaminated grain from a jar, and that it was clean afterwards? And that's what got you 1000+ wet grams from? LOL

Holy hell I need to find that thread. That was hilarious


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22020972 - 07/30/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lolwut: you have to find it now buck :rofl:

I think the most I've gotten from 1 flush in 1 qt of spawn, spread out into 4 trays is at least 8 ounces dry.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805715 this and my signature are trays spawned with half pints (1/4 of a quart), so 4 trays is 1 qt. Though I've since gone up to a pint per tray.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22021138 - 07/30/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Since this guy follows me around calling bullshit every time I mention this tray:
Multispore redboy, did remove about a 1/4 cup patch of unconolized grain that was most likely bacterial, this patch had sat outdoors in direct sunlight for an entire afternoon.

28o wet + whatever comes out of this next flush.


Now, 1f, 3f.  Probably had about 4 significant flushes, but many small random mushrooms popping up that I've recorded.  Dunked around 4 times.



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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22021173 - 07/30/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn I wish I could find that thread. It was who-larious


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22022832 - 07/31/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I guess so. I thought it was standard to get 56 dry grams out of 2qt spawn, 3qt verm and 3 qt coir, which comes out to be a 2/3 ratio. Should I be doing 1:4 then? I thought that the deeper the sub, the bigger the fruits as well as quantity.

If you see in these pics, the fruits aren't tiny nor scarce. I'd like to see what crazy subs you've got goin' on if you're pullin' 6 oz. from the same size sub.



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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22022845 - 07/31/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you. That's exactly my yield for the first flush. 2 oz/2 qts of spawn in my small-ish sub. I think man in black was misunderstanding as he mentioned "them terrible yields" when they're producing precisely what they should if they're healthy.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22022849 - 07/31/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I do agar as well. It's just a hassle sometimes, so I stick with G2G as my results are 90% great, so I can't complain. I made my master from agar.

Also, I think my tubs are 27qt, so it makes sense that I would only get 2 dry oz. from 2 qts of spawn.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22022922 - 07/31/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People probably thought that was a bad yield due to the size of the subs.  You probably don't need to use more than 4 quarts of bulk, especially if you're only taking ff which it kinda sounds like you are.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22025414 - 07/31/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Only 4 qts of sub? I would think there wouldn't be enough depth to get a decent sizes flushes/fruits. I've read many times that 3-4" at least is ideal because there is more surface area.

I typically get 2 - 2.5 oz dry from a 6 qt sub + 2 qt spawn.

Does anyone know which salt to use to help slow contaminants?
Iodized or non-iodized?

Anyone know which way to salt the subs so that there isn't a big pool of water that gets pulled up through the sub and sits stagnantly on top?

As always, thank you guys for your replies. If it wasn't for your help, I would still be a dumbass injecting 2 cc's in each jar when inoculating. This was my problem for over 6 months. It changed my water content of my jars, which in turn, contaminated the hell out of my bulk.


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22025647 - 07/31/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21991976/page/1/fpart/all

Pasty seems to think thinner subs get better BE, and that opinion seems to be shared by others.  I have heard thick subs lead to bigger fruits, but not had that experience myself.  My biggest fruit actually came off a half-cup PF cake.  Anyway, they're just more work to dry and dose.

As I said above, my best yield came off a lasagnia pan under 2in thick, spawned at like 1:1.5 or something.  Pasty gets his retarded 6o from 2qt in one flush using 1:2.  I think it's safe to say you aren't getting much benefit form your high ratio.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22025656 - 07/31/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Genetics is the reason party can get 6oz from 2qt spawn. Its all about a good clone/culture. I easily get 1oz per qt with just limited genetics


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Buck513]
    #22025722 - 07/31/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, but his genetics show that there is enough water in 1:2 bulk.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Salt for slowing contaminants? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22025733 - 07/31/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What? Tons of people use a 1:2 ratio.
I don't know what you're saying


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