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Reishi Bottle Culture Questions
#22017027 - 07/29/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So since getting into cultivation I have really grown fond of Edibles and Medicinals. Long story short I am now doing some Bottle culture grows in buckets and tubs - If I can compare it to anything I would say Muda's bottle tek style. I've been doing this style for years now because it provides me with extremely quick harvests in a very small space, allowing me to assess BE and other things easily without needing a large area/lab dedicated to growing.
My question is about the great reishi culture I have received from sporeworks (or reishi in general). I currently have some jars colonized ready for fruiting and I want to know if It will start fruiting like lions mane invitro right after full colonization or if I really have to get it into the tub with the lid off in order to initiate fruiting. I know Muda could answer this but I decided to post this thread to get all the info I could from other experiences cultivators of reishi.
Also, being the first time I've cultivated reishi, I must say I could not recommend this strain from sporeworks enough. It colonizes faster then anything I've ever encountered in my room temp growing conditions (around 75F average). Absolute monster. It has even destroyed bacterially contaminated jars with impressive vigor. I am not sure but I believe it is from RR. If so, I would like to thank you for sharing this variety RR - a true beast.
All help is appreciated!
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions [Re: bryanbzl]
#22017034 - 07/29/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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awww shit! I posted this in Hunting forum... god damn. Can a mod please move it? My apologies I really thought I was posting in gourmet.
Sorry!
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: bryanbzl]
#22017986 - 07/30/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Hunting and Identification.
Reason: As requested by OP.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: stevo]
#22019320 - 07/30/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey Stevo,
I do not have any other pics because this is the first time fruiting reishi for me. I don't have the space to fruit these jars indoor at the moment. That is why I wanted to know if they would start to fruit in the jar while it still fits and then when I free up a few spots in the tub I would just move them in. What I am going to do is take the lid off and place them in the shade outside. I believe it says 60% humidity on my weather forecast but honestly I believe that will do because it feels like I could drink out of the air lol. I'll try to get some pics of the jars just to show you what its looking like.
Also, thanks Karode13 for moving the thread. Greatly appreciated!
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: bryanbzl]
#22019347 - 07/30/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here you go boys... Enjoy!



Just moved it out onto my back porch where I can keep an eye on it through the window.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: bryanbzl]
#22019361 - 07/30/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The reason I asked this whole invitro question is because I could have sworn that I saw someone post exactly what I was asking. I've been searching but the closest I found was Muda's grow - However the one I saw or read mentioned it fruiting antlers invitro just like the monotub style reishi grows would.
Anyone have any experience with this? I would assume anyone with invitro BAG experience could chime in as well.. considering it is basically the same thing - just in a different container.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: stevo]
#22020113 - 07/30/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Refrigeration is a great option if you need to hang on to your reishi spawn jars for a while before spawning and fruiting them. If not its just going to keep colonizing and like already mentioned, get extremely rubbery and hard to dislodge from the jars.
IME reishi won't fruit from grains alone and needs some sort of wood in its diet before even antlers will form - invitro or not.
Fruiting reishi from jars is a waste in my opinion, you and your culture will be much happier if you spawn your jars to bulk, either in bags or even directly into a bucket.
Outside fruiting can be great if conditions are right, but I still recommend getting it out of the jar before working towards fruits.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: poofterFroth]
#22021269 - 07/30/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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poof... I appreciate the advice but you really need to read the post before posting. Bottle culture has its pros and its cons but for me in a small space I could never get the yield or the convenience I do out of any other bulk method. You need to understand that bottle culture in a monotub has higher yields per square foot and I'm doing this as a small scale hobby - for food and for researching different subs and BE... etc. I don't need to pasteurize and I don't need to prepare anything in bulk. I load up my PC with my finished sub and after inoculating the jars with agar/g2g/lc I get pins in as little as a week from inoculation with some strains. I have done bulk for years. I do not have the space to be preparing and pasteurizing bulk subs and i'm not in the position where money is tight enough where I need to do bulk for economical reasons. being able to measure everything per jar is way better for dialing in numbers for BE and what not. If I was in any other situation right now I would say your advice about going bulk/etc is golden. Thanks for taking the time to post.
Also, just so you know reishi will fruit from 100% grains without issue. I'm in the middle of PM's with a couple members and so far it seems that reishi is almost as much of a pig as blue oysters lol. It just isn't done because its not economically sounds when you can use really cheap subs like sawdust/chips etc. Also Muda Does all of this in jars with great results. I recommend checking out his "bottle tek" for anyone not familiar with what I am speaking of when I say bottle culture.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: bryanbzl]
#22021964 - 07/30/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never gotten reishi to fruit invitro or otherwise from grains alone. 
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: poofterFroth] 1
#22024256 - 07/31/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The reishi in my signature is fruiting on 100 percent grain.



It might not be ideal but it works pretty well for me with limited space.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: Mrcloudy]
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: poofterFroth]
#22025179 - 07/31/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey mrcloudy. thanks for chiming in. Im letting a jar go full on invitro to dry out at 200F (mycelium and fruit bodies included) to make medicinal capsules Aloha style. If it ends up the way I like it regarding the amount of grains consumed and left in the final product I may do that more often for simplicity's sake. Aloha lets the grains go for around 6 months in order to get that extremely low grain percentage in the final dried product. we will have to wait and see... patience is the name of the game after all, right?
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: Mrcloudy]
#22025205 - 07/31/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a couple questions if you don't mind helping a brother out. First off - those are some beautiful conks and antlers. When do you fruit those? I know obviously you fruit when the sub is fully colonized. but reishi isn't exactly like cubes where fully colonized is pretty easy to determine first time around. My reishi seems to first colonize in a wispy form and then slowly turn opaque. Do you put it in fruiting conditions as soon as it goes opaque? or do you look for other physical signs like changing colour/etc? My original question was regarding invitro. I was hoping that they would start to fruit in the jar for the first short portion (basically until reaching the lid) in order to limit the time in the fruiting chamber. Any thoughts? Have you had any start invitro? and if so... what are your experiences?
Thanks!
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: Mrcloudy]
#22025796 - 07/31/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mrcloudy said: The reishi in my signature is fruiting on 100 percent grain.



It might not be ideal but it works pretty well for me with limited space.
You say the reishis in your signature are fruiting in 100% grains. But what about the reishis in the three pics above the sub--the ones with conks. What is in the containers they are fruiting from? I ask because I am in a situation similar to that of the OP.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: jesuisravi]
#22025932 - 07/31/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those are all grown in quart jars. Bottle cultures.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: bryanbzl]
#22025962 - 07/31/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grain, every one. Wild birdseed to be exact. The conks were actually horribly contaminated at the beginning as well, but my culture is a beast and kept right on growing.
You let the mycelium get opaque, then sometimes it will start to turn yellow, sometimes not, the main thing to look for is roundish bumps of mycelium. A week or so after full colonization these bumps will form, they are the primordia, they signify that it is time to open the jar and move it into fruiting conditions. Low airflow for antlers, then higher airflow for the conks.
Here is what the primordia typically looks like

It is a little further along, as it is already in fruiting, but I don't know if I have any of younger primordia.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: Mrcloudy]
#22025984 - 07/31/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do!

Though these ones were my attempts with sawdust instead of pure grain, which was not worth the extra effort to prepare the sawdust compared to just grain. But I was trying new species and wanted to do them on wood instead of grain in case of failure.
Top Left. Unknown South American Black Ganoderma, Top right, Ganoderma resinaceum s.l. Aloha SCL "lucidum" Lower Left, My Ganoderma sessile. Lower right, Ganoderma curtisii.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: Mrcloudy]
#22026106 - 07/31/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mrcloudy said: I do!

Though these ones were my attempts with sawdust instead of pure grain, which was not worth the extra effort to prepare the sawdust compared to just grain. But I was trying new species and wanted to do them on wood instead of grain in case of failure.
Top Left. Unknown South American Black Ganoderma, Top right, Ganoderma resinaceum s.l. Aloha SCL "lucidum" Lower Left, My Ganoderma sessile. Lower right, Ganoderma curtisii.
Very nice. I wonder, would it make sense to use grain, wbs or maybe rye berries, with maybe an admixture of shredded hard wood? Say 7 parts grain to 3 parts hardwood. Wouldn't that facilitate full fruiting? I would like to do this in one operation--inoculate the jars with a spore syringe--maybe from Sporeworks--then when those jars are colonized, get them where they need to be to make complete mushrooms, conks and all.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: jesuisravi]
#22027051 - 08/01/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow cloudy thanks for the reply. That is a wicked primordial shot brother! So about a week after full colonization is when I should start to see the primordial forming. Are those the contaminated ones that are dark on top? Those look gnarly as hell. A testament to the sheer power of reishi metabolites!
I'm glad to see someone else doing bottles. I don't see how people don't see how great bottle cultures really are!
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: jesuisravi]
#22027062 - 08/01/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mrcloudy said: I do!

Though these ones were my attempts with sawdust instead of pure grain, which was not worth the extra effort to prepare the sawdust compared to just grain. But I was trying new species and wanted to do them on wood instead of grain in case of failure.
Top Left. Unknown South American Black Ganoderma, Top right, Ganoderma resinaceum s.l. Aloha SCL "lucidum" Lower Left, My Ganoderma sessile. Lower right, Ganoderma curtisii.
Very nice. I wonder, would it make sense to use grain, wbs or maybe rye berries, with maybe an admixture of shredded hard wood? Say 7 parts grain to 3 parts hardwood. Wouldn't that facilitate full fruiting? I would like to do this in one operation--inoculate the jars with a spore syringe--maybe from Sporeworks--then when those jars are colonized, get them where they need to be to make complete mushrooms, conks and all.
I don't think with reishi it would do anything "beneficial" to use a mix - as far as I've seen. The only thing a mix is good for is saving money. I am currently doing the exact thing you're asking so I can save you the trouble... unless you want to have fun too! hahaha!
I'm doing about 1/8th hard winter wheat berries to scotts mulch. I have some left over from some oyster grows. Luckily I have stumbled apon the city wood chip lot... which happens to be... wait for it...
LESS THEN A KILOMETER AWAY FROM MY FRONT DOOR!
and the best part is nobody even uses any of it at all! PILES AND PILES AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEEE!!!! I FOUND HEAVEN! I will share photos later on when I get a chance to walk by!
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: bryanbzl]
#22029676 - 08/01/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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City wood chip lot? I didn't know cities have such things. I will have to ask around and see what we have in this town. Maybe the park district has a dump somewhere.
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: jesuisravi]
#22030008 - 08/01/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea buddy! Its funny because the city claims that there is no such place... yet on the front gate it clearly states that the public can access it during the week t all times except a few hours when the city workers are dumping fresh chips and don't want you in their way.
I stood on a pile today that was so big that that I actually accessed the lot by climbing it - which basically had already swallowed the fence whole.
If you dig a few inches you get these beautiful dark steamy chips that smell amazing! so big it will probably compost for ages! Not to mention the puff-ball I accidentally stepped on that way 2 the length of my foot (24").
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: bryanbzl]
#22074533 - 08/11/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Off topic but if I made a reishi culture and there was old cube mycelium that didn't get fully rinsed but then got pressure cooked is it possible that it will regrow over the reishi culture
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Re: Reishi Bottle Culture Questions (moved) [Re: MykoMyers]
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MykoMyers said: Off topic but if I made a reishi culture and there was old cube mycelium that didn't get fully rinsed but then got pressure cooked is it possible that it will regrow over the reishi culture
No.
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