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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041483 - 08/04/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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False. Cops shouldn't let fear get in the way of doing their job. Their job is not to kill people, and if they're killing people out of fear, that's a problem, don't you think?
Here, we have a man who was pulled over for a fix it ticket in broad daylight. The cop pulled his gun on that man and aimed that gun at his head. There is nothing in the video even remotely justifying that reaction, but he did it. I can only assume that he did it out of fear, but I suppose it's possible that he did it out of malice afforethought.
Either way, the cop shouldn't have been a cop. Luckily, he's not a cop anymore. Too bad someone had to lose his life to make that happen.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
#22041494 - 08/04/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That doesn't logically follow. A mouse has a reason to fear a cat. Does that mean a cat has a reason to fear a mouse?
Setting aside your silly reasoning, however, the truth is that if a police officer is performing his duties based on fear, he should probably look for another job. That particular job requires a very keen ability to control one's own fear, and anyone without that ability has no business in the job.
guess it was you
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041504 - 08/04/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't see anything in that quoted post that could even remotely be interpreted to mean that I think that cops should be "stone cold killers"
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041517 - 08/04/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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fear is part of being human, you are requesting police officers to remove fear and become subhuman. During a shootout with hostages do you think police don't fear accidently shooting a hostage? You're asking them to turn off fear, but obviously next you will say only "sometimes"? The mind is a fragile thing. Have you seen those riot people with the shields when they form a line, thats what they look like when you remove fear, thats what they look like when you turn them into robots.
Do you think those robots give 2 shits about anybody, regardless of color? no, those are the stone cold killing robots you want all police to be, if you had it your way we really would have a police state because they would all act like those riot gear officers.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
#22041527 - 08/04/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I didn't see anything in that quoted post that could even remotely be interpreted to mean that I think that cops should be "stone cold killers"
then you arn't looking very hard, you are telling the police to turn off fear, turn off being scared. who isn't scared of being hurt, who isn't being scared of dieing, who isn't scared of thugs and murderers, is it the blonde next door? is it bob the woodworker down the street? is it a fresh cop straight out of school?
or is it someone with a military background thats seen so much killing that they had to turn their brains off just to deal with the pain, someone shell shocked, ptsd's.......yes you are infact asking for stone cold killers weither you realize it or not
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041541 - 08/04/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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As I've said multiple times, cops shouldn't even have guns. I never said they shouldn't have fear. I said they need to be able to control it.
I can see that you've no interest in an intellectually honest discussion. You're more interested in putting words in my mouth and discussing outrageous imaginary scenarios about riots and multiple hitlers. This is what I get for assuming that everyone on the site is an adult.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
#22041545 - 08/04/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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do you think black hostages die more often than whites, from officers trying to save them that is?
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041558 - 08/04/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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but you have it in your head that fear CAN be controlled....fear doesn't work that way buddy. You are either afraid, or you arn't, what changes that? Experience. so who's really being unfair here.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041559 - 08/04/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have no idea, and I don't see the relevance. This thread isn't about a hostage situation, no matter how much you'd like it to be. It's about a cop who put a loaded gun to a man's head because that man tried to drive away.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
#22041566 - 08/04/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the relevance is you say cops are racist against blacks, if they were, don't you think they would accidently be shooting black hostages from time to time as well? like whoops sorry i missed
maybe they just discriminate against criminals, all criminals regardless of color, maybe thats the point
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041645 - 08/04/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never said cops are racist against blacks. Why do you have to keep putting words in my mouth? Are you so afraid of discussing the topic at hand that you have to create imaginary topics to discuss?
In this case, do you think THIS cop was justified in putting a loaded gun to THIS driver's head?
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
#22041714 - 08/04/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Many African-Americans are subjected to police misconduct, and I'm sure that a lot of them run to avoid that misconduct.
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The problem, however, is far greater in the poor communites, and those communities happen to be populated with a higher concentration of people of color.
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People of color are afraid of police for good reason. Fear is, by definition, not rational. People who are afraid do irrational things because of it. If there were less misconduct, there would be less fear and less irrational fleeing from the police.
2 out of the 3 quotes say otherwise, perhaps you are conflicted on the subject. if you weren't racist you wouldn't mention their color at all. If everyone is subject to police misconduct then there is no reason to point out that "people of color are afraid". You say everyone is treated the same, then go and say the poor black people have good reason to act stupid........you are saying one thing, then saying the exact opposite, thats where the problem lies.
and yes i mentioned before i do agree with the cop.
its the drivers job to comply with everything the cop says, if he has a problem with it, take it up in court. If he complies, NOTHING happens to him.
His door was opened and he was asked to take his belt off, implying he should exit the car. Instead he shuts the door, making himself a criminal and a suspect with all the other things. So right there its the cops job to get him out, as he tries to, the car starts, driver put cops life at risk, cop shutdown risk to himself and others. case closed.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041816 - 08/04/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just because you don't understand English doesn't mean that everyone else should spoon feed you information. Nothing in any of those quotes is equivalent to me saying that cops are racist against blacks.
As far as your claim that it's the driver's job to do what the cop says, no. You couldn't be more wrong. It's the cop's job to follow the law. Believe it or not, there is no law on the books that says it's okay to assault someone with a firearm if he disobeys. The cop assaulted the man and then killed him. He had no right to do either.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
#22041896 - 08/04/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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refusing to comply with a cops orders is illegal, something to do with impeding his investigation or some shit
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22041964 - 08/04/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: First, I never said any of that. That's just what a racist mind reads from my posts because a racist mind is trying to shoehorn the discussion into a place where he can toss out his rehearsed "blacks are more violent/commit more crimes" speech. We've all heard that nonsense enough times already.
we've also heard the nonsense that blacks are unfairly targeted and given stiffer penalties and yet same dubose is a prime example of how that would be false, now if it were true then same dubose would have been in prison and note getting shot
How is he an example? Because of all his arrest that weren't followed up with any prosecution? That looks like harrassment to me.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: koods]
#22041969 - 08/04/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nothing in any of those quotes is equivalent to me saying that cops are racist against blacks.
so are you, or are you not, saying "black" people have "more" reason to be scared of cops than "white" people
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22041985 - 08/04/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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refusing to comply with a cops orders is illegal, something to do with impeding his investigation or some shit
No. Cops ordering people to do things that are unconstitutional is illegal.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: koods]
#22042039 - 08/04/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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where did the cop make an unconstitutional order? regardless you still shouldn't violently refuse even if it is unconstitutional, you should peacefully say you decline but won't interfere with the cops investigation.
then whatever laws the cop breaks you take to court, you don't try to fight a cop about it while he's on the job
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22042042 - 08/04/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, he shot the guy in the head. That was pretty undonstitional.
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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: koods]
#22042051 - 08/04/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Well, he shot the guy in the head. That was pretty undonstitional.
i fail to see how that is an example of being given an unconstitutional order, id say nice try but were you?
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