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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22040987 - 08/04/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: endogenous]
    #22041017 - 08/04/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But, of course, you wouldn't try to run if you thought you were in danger of getting killed because of the color of your skin.




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Stop killing people because of the color of their skin, and maybe they'd stop running





how exactly do you get that this is a race issue?


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: endogenous]
    #22041035 - 08/04/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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almost everyone who is in a car chase is running from YEARS in prison.  that tells you alot about them



But, of course, you wouldn't try to run if you thought you were in danger of getting killed because of the color of your skin.




So with your line of reasoning, ALL black people are justified to run away from law enforcement because they are "in danger of getting killed because of the color of your skin".  Do you have any more pathetic excuses for criminal behavior? :flowstone:


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: qman]
    #22041041 - 08/04/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think he was saying that it was justified.  There is, however, a cause and effect.  Many African-Americans are subjected to police misconduct, and I'm sure that a lot of them run to avoid that misconduct.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22041046 - 08/04/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think he was saying that it was justified.  There is, however, a cause and effect.  Many African-Americans are subjected to police misconduct, and I'm sure that a lot of them run to avoid that misconduct.





many whites are subjected to police misconduct as well


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22041058 - 08/04/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, they are.  Many people are.

The problem, however, is far greater in the poor communites, and those communities happen to be populated with a higher concentration of people of color.

Of course, I've already suggested that police should not have guns.  That would be a big step toward mitigating the damage caused by police misconduct.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22041063 - 08/04/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think he was saying that it was justified.  There is, however, a cause and effect.  Many African-Americans are subjected to police misconduct, and I'm sure that a lot of them run to avoid that misconduct.




Many people are subjected to police misconduct, yet they don't run from cops. I'm sure that a lot of them run to avoid arrest and prison time.

The fact that someone suspects they MIGHT be a victim of police misconduct hardly justifies the act of running from the police. 

My GF MIGHT not give me sex tonight, that does not justify me raping her because I once was turned down for sex in the past.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: qman]
    #22041071 - 08/04/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're the only one who's arguing that anything justifies anything.

I'm talking about cause and effect.

People of color are afraid of police for good reason.  Fear is, by definition, not rational.  People who are afraid do irrational things because of it.  If there were less misconduct, there would be less fear and less irrational fleeing from the police.

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My GF MIGHT not give me sex tonight, that does not justify me raping her because I once was turned down for sex in the past.



This argument presumes that you're owed sex and must have it to survive.  People running from the cops in fear are trying to survive...not get laid.




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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22041079 - 08/04/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so if people of color have good reason to be afraid of police, don't the police have good reason to fear those of color?


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22041084 - 08/04/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That doesn't logically follow.  A mouse has a reason to fear a cat.  Does that mean a cat has a reason to fear a mouse?

Setting aside your silly reasoning, however, the truth is that if a police officer is performing his duties based on fear, he should probably look for another job.  That particular job requires a very keen ability to control one's own fear, and anyone without that ability has no business in the job.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22041087 - 08/04/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You're the only one who's arguing that anything justifies anything.

I'm talking about cause and effect.

People of color are afraid of police for good reason.  Fear is, by definition, not rational.  People who are afraid do irrational things because of it.  If there were less misconduct, there would be less fear and less irrational fleeing from the police.




"People of color are afraid of police for good reason"

I think the fears stems from loss of freedom, who wants to go to prison for 5 years over a stupid drug charge?  It's not a DIRECT fear of the cop himself, it's a fear of the criminal justice system.  DuBose wasn't acting like a moron that day because of fear from the cop, he didn't want to face prison time.

Police are afraid of people of color for good reason, they are less likely to follow orders and more likely to act in a violent manner.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: qman]
    #22041102 - 08/04/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It probably is very often a fear of loss of freedom.  That's a pretty valid fear, IMO.  People of color are more likely to be locked up than white people, even when both have committed the same act.

This is, however, where I leave you to your biases and misconceptions.  I'm not going to engage in this tired, old argument wherein white people sit around and argue that black people are more violent by nature.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22041133 - 08/04/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It probably is very often a fear of loss of freedom.  That's a pretty valid fear, IMO.  People of color are more likely to be locked up than white people, even when both have committed the same act.

This is, however, where I leave you to your biases and misconceptions.  I'm not going to engage in this tired, old argument wherein white people sit around and argue that black people are more violent by nature.




In my opinion, if we changed the drug laws and the harsh prison sentences associated with them, we avoid many of these issues with law enforcement.

The violent tendencies are associated with the unjust drug laws, not with the cops that ended up taking blame for these bad interactions.  This is what happens when our system demands that our law enforcement officers enforce unjust drug laws.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: qman]
    #22041142 - 08/04/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd agree with that, too.  Still, there is disparate enforcement of those drug laws based on race.  The underlying problem would likely exist even if the drug laws weren't there.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22041173 - 08/04/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It probably is very often a fear of loss of freedom.  That's a pretty valid fear, IMO.  People of color are more likely to be locked up than white people, even when both have committed the same act.






now just why would that be?


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22041177 - 08/04/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Because our culture has a tendency to dehumanize people of color, and that makes it easier to have less mercy on those people when it comes to sentencing and charging.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22041185 - 08/04/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Because our culture has a tendency to dehumanize people of color, and that makes it easier to have less mercy on those people when it comes to sentencing and charging.




"our culture has a tendency to dehumanize people of color"

If this statement were true, wouldn't it prove that this huge experiment with "cultural diversity" is a massive failure? 

Shouldn't people of color handle the degree of mercy when it comes to charging and sentencing people of color?


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22041193 - 08/04/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think he was saying that it was justified.  There is, however, a cause and effect.  Many African-Americans are subjected to police misconduct, and I'm sure that a lot of them run to avoid that misconduct.





many whites are subjected to police misconduct as well




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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22041194 - 08/04/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People running from the cops in fear are trying to survive...not get laid.




We get it, you're a lawyer. You don't actually believe this, do you?


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: qman]
    #22041198 - 08/04/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.


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