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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039036 - 08/03/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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well you seem to have already decided as have many others in this thread


are you the jury for this case?



I've decided that the cop was an idiot, and that he never should have drawn his gun.  I don't decide his guilt or innocence, though.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039045 - 08/03/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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well you seem to have already decided as have many others in this thread


are you the jury for this case?



I've decided that the cop was an idiot, and that he never should have drawn his gun.  I don't decide his guilt or innocence, though.





so you are in fact blaming the cop

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I'm not blaming anyone, but high speed chases require at least two cars and two drivers.  When one of those drivers is a cop, the cop is partially responsible.





so the cop wasnt at fault in this shooting




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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: millzy]
    #22039047 - 08/03/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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there are probably much safer methods for apprehending dangerous criminals that don't expose the public to as much danger as high speed chases.



They aren't that dangerous.  5000 in 35 years?  It aint that much.  Better than just letting the assholes get away to be assholes another day.  I agree that some discretion should be employed but a blanket prohibition against high speed chases is idiocy


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039050 - 08/03/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say that.  I said that he is an idiot.  I said he should never have drawn his gun.  I never said anything about fault or blame.  That's your strawman.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22039053 - 08/03/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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a blanket prohibition against high speed chases is idiocy



Luckily, no one suggested such a thing.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22039078 - 08/03/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't say that.  I said that he is an idiot.  I said he should never have drawn his gun.  I never said anything about fault or blame.  That's your strawman.





didnt you?
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the cop is alive, the criminal is dead... which one is the stupid one



Or...the cop is a criminal, the innocent civilian is dead..I see no evidence of a crime committed by the driver, but there is certainly evidence of a crime committed by the cop.

I doubt this is murder, because I don't believe the gun was fired intentionally at the man's head, but it almost certainly is manslaughter.

We'll have to wait for a jury to decide.




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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039082 - 08/03/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the need for cops is there.

the need for better trained and less stupid cops is there.





so no responsibility should ever fall on the criminal



not at all. of course criminality should be held responsible for criminal actions and criminals should be stopped, in the extent that they are actually criminals.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039127 - 08/03/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, I didn't.  Your reading comprehension is very poor.  I specifically said in that post you quoted that we have to wait for the jury to decide.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22039161 - 08/03/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No, I didn't.  Your reading comprehension is very poor.  I specifically said in that post you quoted that we have to wait for the jury to decide.






well yeah, after you blamed the cop


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039167 - 08/03/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the driver was very intelligent tho :elmo:


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22039169 - 08/03/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the need for cops is there.

the need for better trained and less stupid cops is there.





so no responsibility should ever fall on the criminal



not at all. of course criminality should be held responsible for criminal actions and criminals should be stopped, in the extent that they are actually criminals.





and that's precisely what was done here, a cop stopped a criminal


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039197 - 08/03/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

a cop was also an idiot and killed someone, putting a rogue car on the road, when the guy didn't have any death sentence.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039199 - 08/03/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No, I didn't.  Your reading comprehension is very poor.  I specifically said in that post you quoted that we have to wait for the jury to decide.






well yeah, after you blamed the cop



I haven't blamed anyone.  Is English your first language?


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Enlil]
    #22039212 - 08/03/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No, I didn't.  Your reading comprehension is very poor.  I specifically said in that post you quoted that we have to wait for the jury to decide.






well yeah, after you blamed the cop



I haven't blamed anyone.  Is English your first language?



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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22039252 - 08/03/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we're all just trying to figure out who was stupider here.











answer: the cop.

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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22039278 - 08/03/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't care who was stupider, just that the cop was wrong for OVERREACTING.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22039341 - 08/03/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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there are probably much safer methods for apprehending dangerous criminals that don't expose the public to as much danger as high speed chases.



They aren't that dangerous.  5000 in 35 years?  It aint that much.  Better than just letting the assholes get away to be assholes another day.  I agree that some discretion should be employed but a blanket prohibition against high speed chases is idiocy




with all the surveillance capabilities police have at their fingertips they really shouldn't have to resort to any chases. i'm unsure if it should be banned altogether, but it should be avoided when better means to apprehend dangerous criminals are available.

a good strategy i read about one police chief using in a book i recently read was, instead of a no knock warrant that put everyone's life in danger, they would wait until the person they wanted went out to their car and pounced on them right when they got in and were getting ready to leave. 100% success rate if i recall correctly. maybe if they find people during traffic stops they could hang back and have them followed and get them in a similar way.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22039427 - 08/03/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That is ridiculoous.  What percentage of high speed chases result in civilian injuries?  I suspect it is very low. 

By the way my truck was stolen once.  They found it after they put a ticket on it.  Fucking tools were gone though.




The risk isn't worth it. Property damage is almost guaranteed.


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: koods] * 1
    #22039446 - 08/03/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That is ridiculoous.  What percentage of high speed chases result in civilian injuries?  I suspect it is very low. 

By the way my truck was stolen once.  They found it after they put a ticket on it.  Fucking tools were gone though.




The risk isn't worth it. Property damage is almost guaranteed.





so you too are in agreement, shoot them before they can cause damage or kill someone


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Re: Police officer pulls over man for no front tags, shoots him in the head, killed instantly [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22039455 - 08/03/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the need for cops is there.

the need for better trained and less stupid cops is there.





so no responsibility should ever fall on the criminal



not at all. of course criminality should be held responsible for criminal actions and criminals should be stopped, in the extent that they are actually criminals.





and that's precisely what was done here, a cop stopped a criminal




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